Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Stephen P. Potter
Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] whispere d: | All Perl programmers, including lone ones, really should be using CPAN as | much as they can, which means that the parts of the language needed to use | CPAN modules are part of the understanding you need. This

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
What is Camel4 going to look like for perl 6? What is going to be required knowledge for perl6. Let's just start by looking at Apoc2. To use perl, you'll have to know Unicode, you'll have to know OO, you'll have to understand references. Those are three very technical concepts that make

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Nathan Torkington
Stephen P. Potter writes: For example, take a look at Camel1. It was a small book; you could carry it around without building up huge biceps. You could reasonable read it in a couple of days and get started with perl. I tried to get us to maintain that in Camel2, but it grew to almost 700

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Stephen P. Potter
Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Trond Michelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] whis pered: | You don't need to know any of the modules in CPAN to use perl, but once | you learn how to use search.cpan.org, your productivity will most | probably increase dramatically. Just like knowing how to use the |

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Nick Stankus
Someone looking at that is going to think they have to know all that to be effective. Who reads the book. I just use it as reference. I am not the best Perl guru in the world, but I can program everything I need perl to do. If I ever need help...it is back to the Perl Camel Book. 2nd

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Nathan Torkington
Stephen P. Potter writes: | You don't need to know any of the modules in CPAN to use perl, but once | you learn how to use search.cpan.org, your productivity will most | probably increase dramatically. Just like knowing how to use the | documentation will make you more productive. The

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Stephen P. Potter
Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Jarkko Hietaniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] whispered : | Ummm, I must have missed the have to know Unicode, have to to know OO, | have to know references part in the Apoc2. Could you show it to me? Atoms- Unicode. If everything is Unicode, you're going to have

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Stephen P. Potter
Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] whi spered: | This is off-topic for perl6. Objection, your honor! This is a logical extention of part of the discussion. If we're discussing what is wrong with perl5 to make perl6 better differentiating between

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:24:45AM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote: You are also saying that OOP is now required, because many/most CPAN modules use OOP. This is a piece of FUD along the lines of inline POD slows code down that keeps people fearful of CPAN and I'd really rather see die. To

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:22:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote: For example, take a look at Camel1. It was a small book; you could carry it around without building up huge biceps. You could reasonable read it in a couple of days and get started with perl. I tried to get us to maintain

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Trond Michelsen
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 07:16:36PM +0100, Michael G Schwern wrote: Sean Burke wrote up an excellent article about OO for module users which I thought was on perl.com but I can't find at the moment. Maybe it was in TPJ.

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:55:55PM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote: Atoms- Unicode. If everything is Unicode, you're going to have to grok Unicode (at least tangentally) to be able to use perl. Bah. Rubbish, no more than you need to grok Unicode to use Perl 5.6. Do you know what data of yours

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:08:40PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:55:55PM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote: Atoms- Unicode. If everything is Unicode, you're going to have to grok Unicode (at least tangentally) to be able to use perl. Bah. Rubbish, no more than you

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Nathan Torkington
Stephen P. Potter writes: Objection, your honor! This is a logical extention of part of the discussion. If we're discussing what is wrong with perl5 to make perl6 better differentiating between philosophies is quite on target. The corner of the discussion about search.cpan.org and broken

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Nathan Torkington
Stephen P. Potter writes: Atoms- Unicode. If everything is Unicode, you're going to have to grok Unicode (at least tangentally) to be able to use perl. Others have well dealt to this. RFC 161- Everything becomes an object. Filehandles are more object oriented in Perl6, and the special