[OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-07-02 Thread Stephen Zander
schwern == schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: schwern Sun doesn't give out its JDK source code freely, they schwern have all sorts of restrictions. If I wanted to port the schwern JDK I can do it, but I need special permission from Sun schwern to distribute it. This Sucks.

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-07-02 Thread Abigail
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:59:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: As a Solaris gal, this might all seem perfectly sensible. Myself, I'm doubly screwed running Linux (which is not Windows or Solaris) on a PowerPC (which is not Intel or Sparc). Sun might have perfectly valid business

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty RPMs that occsaionally go awry. That's their fault. Find a better

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:20:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the trick, Solaris is Sun's Blessed Platform. As a Linux/PowerPC user, I know how Ziggy feels. I'm almost totally ignored by Sun and I'd imagine I'd have just as much trouble getting it working as he did. This is

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *This is the issue in a nutshell. Let's not mix business issues *with technical ones. Let's not mix cluster management with simple *end-user installation. Let's not mix businesses losing millions *by the microsecond with the guy who just wants his

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread schwern
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:57:42AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: If Java sucks to install on some boutique/niche platforms it could mean that a) noone has told them about the issues I can't even conceive they're not accutely aware. b) noone in the FreeBSD/Linux world has taken it upon

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread schwern
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:49:45PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: Perl's great blessing is also it's great curse; there's a single implementation and that *implementation* happens to be OpenSource. Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch. Fortunately, we don't have to. :) Perl 6

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Stephen Zander [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *Speaking as someone with feet firmly in both camps (I'm a Blackdown *member and the Debian maintainer for the jdk and some of the largest *perl modules in that distribution), IMNSHO the fatal assumption made *by millions of people is that Java is

Re: [OT] Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Me
All, of course, imho: Were something dreadful to happen to Larry and his estate chose to change the licensing terms of the current *implementation* Well they can only do that to a copy of their own, not existing copies. While the law isn't clear on a lot of nuances related to more complex

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *Nevertheless, a degenerate case for installing Perl never requires *transfers or temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes. Sure it can. Allow me to clarify: a

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Christopher Masto
Having gone through much the same pain a couple of weeks ago (although I just broke down and installed the linux-jdk-1.3.1 port after Sun's web site told me to come back later), I eagerly await a pure-Perl replacement for FOP (http://xml.apache.org/fop/index.html)). -- Christopher Masto

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:51:33PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: *That's their fault. Find a better distribution. There are a lot of Solaris 8 users out there and to have a broken OEM Perl is not optimal. That response would not be well received. If insert vendor name here distributes