RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 22:50, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Over our dead body! The whole world is still to solve that cursor movement problem, and you expect... I expect to solve that ourselves (say, FarsiWeb and FriBidi teams), at least for the perspective of Persian and Iranian users. Is it *that*

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 07:41, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: http://www.farsiweb.info/locale/locale-0.6.pdf Congratulations on getting a new typist who is not allergic to Hamzeh's! It's the same old one. Roozbeh Pournader himself. But where did all the

Re: [History] My Story, part 1 (1236 words)

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 10:08, Hooman Mehr wrote: The spelling used by Roozbeh is the official spelling used on someone's passport -- if he does not insist otherwise. I'm very sorry. I forgot that you spell it with oo. I insisted on Hooman spelling and got it even on my passport. So do I,

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 13:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So don't say it this way that they are doing this great project which will save the humanity blah blah... You still get excited by those words? I am excited, since I saw some output from the people involved: A commercial probabilistic

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 22:50, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Over our dead body! The whole world is still to solve that cursor movement problem, and you expect... I expect to solve that ourselves (say, FarsiWeb and FriBidi teams), at least for the

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread Ali A Khanban
Roozbeh Pournader wrote: I am glad to announce the availability of the first public draft of the specification of locale requirements of Persian for Iran. The text tries to specify the general requirements of internationalized software for the Persian language of Iran. It's available from:

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:15, Ali A Khanban wrote: Th attachment should be a type, I guess. Yes, it is a typo. Does that mean we should send our comments only to the above email and not to this list? That means we appreciate it if it is sent to that email address. You're welcome to discuss

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:24, Ordak D. Coward wrote: What is the cursor problem exactly? Have you tried typing multilingual text in an editor like MS Windows' Notepad? The cursor, the selection, etc, are very hard to handle easily. You'll get mad very soon. And why is it hard to solve?

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Masoud Sharbiani
Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:24, Ordak D. Coward wrote: What is the cursor problem exactly? Have you tried typing multilingual text in an editor like MS Windows' Notepad? The cursor, the selection, etc, are very hard to handle easily. You'll get mad very soon. Yeah,

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: Let me inject my foolish questions in the middle of this hot flaming discussion. What is the cursor problem exactly? And why is it hard to solve? Is there an FAQ on open problems in Persian Computing? Hi there, Well, the cursor problem is not

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: And, if someone starts a list, please add the problem of selecting a mixed text (english/persian) with a mouse. No matter what you do, or how experienced you are, you'll always get surprised. Yeah, that's known as the twin of the cursor problem.

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
I volunteer to implement a web interface for the dictionary, Excellent! You'll have to make it so that whether the user types in bi[ZWNJ]kaar, bikaar, or bi kaar, the word will be found! Yes, that's right. This is relatively easy to implement. but I think we'll need other people's

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:19, Masoud Sharbiani wrote: Roozbeh, is it possible to create a wiki for persian computing? That is *planned* for FarsiWeb's website. I'm sure Behnam Esfahbod and Elnaz Sarbar will announce here the good news about the new FarsiWeb website, when it became ready. roozbeh

RE: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 13:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So don't say it this way that they are doing this great project which will save the humanity blah blah... You still get excited by those words? I am excited, since I saw some output from the

Re: Persian-English Dictionary -- Was: Iranian Mac User group

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:33, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: About a list of open problems, no, there's no such thing yet, but Roozbeh and I compiled a similar list sometime back that I don't have it anymore. And I don't even remember doing it! :'-(

[Fwd: New versions of the Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR 1.1)]

2004-06-08 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
-Forwarded Message- From: Rick McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New versions of the Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR 1.1) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:03:48 -0700 The Unicode Consortium announced today the release of new versions of the Common Locale Data

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2004-06-08 Thread C Bobroff
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Correction: Found the Reader! You certainly did! I'm glad I asked. Go to: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Select: English (Middle Eastern) Select your platform (It is available for Windows and Mac OS X) and the rest is as it should

Re: UI problems in editing BiDi texts.

2004-06-08 Thread Ordak D. Coward
Please ignore this while I can successfully prepare a long e-mail with gmail :( On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:08:53 -0400, Ordak D. Coward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following up the old thread, here is my attempt to understand the problem. We may then agree on a desired behavior, and then on an

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread C Bobroff
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote: We don't write Ezafe in noun phrase constituents; There is a big difference between *we never write* and *we sometimes write*. Obviously, you DO mark the ezafeh in certain situations. In this case, if the draft says says that one may not mark the ezafeh to

Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran, first public draft

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Peyman wrote: We don't write Ezafe in noun phrase constituents; There is a big difference between *we never write* and *we sometimes write*. Obviously, you DO mark the ezafeh in certain situations. In this case, if the draft says

Kasre Ezafe in proper names, Was Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, C Bobroff wrote: Well, you were very helpful with the ghash-gir topic so what is your problem here? Here, I will ask this: Do you agree that sometimes you say, behdaad-e esfahbod and other times you say, behdaad esfahbod? (Note, I said *say*, not *write* for now.) And my

Re: Kasre Ezafe in proper names, Was Re: Locale requirement of Persian in Iran

2004-06-08 Thread C Bobroff
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Ok, as I said in another mail, you say behdaad-e esfahbod when you want to differentiate from behdaad-e pournader. Just that. Akh! banging head on computer Good night, I'm going homeMaybe a sane person who knows the -e is used all the time in

Re: IRI funded projects like Persian Linux (Was Re: something else)

2004-06-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:51, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Man, how many yours you have been in this business? I can't remember. Many. And seeing how little amount of output I have produced, I'm clearly a waster of my time, it seems. Come on. This