[GENERAL] installation guide

2005-10-14 Thread srikanth potluri
hi , can any one send me the setailed step by step installaiton guide of postgre-sql on linux . i am a novice user of linux .. so i would be requiring very basic on information also ... i have been given assignment on installing postgresql on linux today ... so , friends , please help me out

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you write, say, select max(relpages) from pg_class; and the lexer thinks that it should fold unquoted identifiers to upper case, then the catalog entries defining these names had better read PG_CLASS, RELPAGES, and MAX, not the lower-case

Re: [GENERAL] installation guide

2005-10-14 Thread A. Kretschmer
am 13.10.2005, um 23:36:26 -0700 mailte srikanth potluri folgendes: hi , can any one send me the setailed step by step installaiton guide of postgre-sql on linux . Which distribution? You should use the distribution packet system. http://www.oryx.com/ams/postgresql.html Regards,

Re: [GENERAL] installation guide

2005-10-14 Thread Richard Huxton
srikanth potluri wrote: hi , can any one send me the setailed step by step installaiton guide of postgre-sql on linux . i am a novice user of linux .. so i would be requiring very basic on information also ... i have been given assignment on installing postgresql on linux today You don't

Re: [GENERAL] user privilages for executing pg_autovacuum?

2005-10-14 Thread Zlatko Matic
No, I didn't try ident authentication... It seems to me that security issues should be passd to client company's system administrator ? - Original Message - From: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zlatko Matic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew T. O'Connor

[GENERAL] Postgres logs to syslog LOCAL0

2005-10-14 Thread han . holl
Hi, I've noticed that, even though I specified LOCAL5 as syslog facility, postgres nevertheless logs _some_ events to LOCAL0. Log lines look like: Oct 14 08:55:02 pavenlo root palga [local] SELECT: [17-1] LOG: duration: \ 2953.658 ms statement: select rapnaam from udps where

[GENERAL] Using LISTEN/NOTIFY in C#.NET

2005-10-14 Thread Josephine de Castro
Hi guys! Just the other day,I askedabout the the equivalentof extended stored procedure in PostgreSQL.A lot of people has been very helpful and i really appreciateall the suggestions and help that I got from this mailing list.:) Anyway, i've done some serious google-ing and reading and i came

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 07:48:00AM +0900, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Why pgpool should bother? pgpool supposes every transaction should go through pgpool. Your example sounds like someone logs into M2 and tries to shut down it. But because there's no enforcement of every transaction should go

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Chris Travers
Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:46:29AM -0500, Scott Marlowe wrote: choice in another. So, multi-master replication isn't likely to become a plug in module for postgresql any time soon. It's not even a thing, so it can't become a plug-in. I was referring

[GENERAL] problem converting from 8.0.4 to 8.1beta3: character encoding

2005-10-14 Thread Rick Schumeyer
I have a database in pg 8.0.4 that is encoded as UNICODE. Somehow, some strange characters made it in there. Mostly, several instances of (apostrophe) are really some extended character. They display in a text editor as \222 (or something similar). Im not sure how that happened, but they

Re: [GENERAL] more than one row returned by a subquery used as an

2005-10-14 Thread Alban Hertroys
CSN wrote: I'm trying to get this query to work: update sectors set companies =(select companies from industries where sector_id =sectors.id); Try these instead: update sectors set companies = industries.companies from industries where industries.sector_id =sectors.id; update

Re: [GENERAL] Postgres logs to syslog LOCAL0

2005-10-14 Thread Bruce Momjian
I tested LOCAL5 here and got lines like: Oct 14 08:41:06 candle postgres[8668]: [1-1] LOG: duration: 1.210 ms statement: select 100; I don't see any SELECT: entry in there. In fact, SELECT: is coming from syslog, not from PostgreSQL. We only generate the stuff after the

Re: [GENERAL] Using LISTEN/NOTIFY in C#.NET

2005-10-14 Thread Douglas McNaught
Josephine de Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To make the long story short...my question is this..is it possible to run the listener command in C# or will it only work in psql? There's no theoretical reason why not. You probably need to read the docs on whatever C# Postgres driver you're

[GENERAL] New sets of PostgreSQL RPMS are available for download : 7.3.10, 8.0.4, 8.1beta3

2005-10-14 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
- PostgreSQL RPM Set Update 2005-10-14 Version(s): 7.3.10, 8.0.4, 8.1beta3 New set labels: 7.3.10-1PGDG, 8.0.4-2PGDG , 8.1beta3-1PGDG -

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Alex Turner
snip multi-master.It provides a certain amount of scaling, but nothingI've seen or heard suggests that the license cost couldn't just as easily and effectively be thrown at larger hardware for betterscaling.The really big reason to use RAC is five-nines situations:you're trying to make sure that

[GENERAL] Equivalent queries and the planner

2005-10-14 Thread John D. Burger
Hi - I have some questions about query equivalence. The first query below (actually a slightly more complicated one) took much longer to run than I expected (actually, I killed it after it ran all night). The second one took a few minutes. I believe these queries are exactly

Re: [GENERAL] Using LISTEN/NOTIFY in C#.NET

2005-10-14 Thread Magnus Hagander
To make the long story short...my question is this..is it possible to run the listener command in C# or will it only work in psql? There's no theoretical reason why not. You probably need to read the docs on whatever C# Postgres driver you're using (ADO, ODBC etc) and find out how

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the lexer thinks that it should fold unquoted identifiers to upper case, then the catalog entries defining these names had better read PG_CLASS, RELPAGES, and MAX, not the lower-case names they contain today. Well

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
But because there's no enforcement of every transaction should go through pgpool, it's not enough for the managers who are ultimately responsible for deciding on system design. In the hypothetical case, we're aiming at multimaster systems that are there for reliability, not performance.

Re: [GENERAL] Postgres logs to syslog LOCAL0

2005-10-14 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: I don't see any SELECT: entry in there. In fact, SELECT: is coming from syslog, not from PostgreSQL. We only generate the stuff after the closing ]. The SELECT: is probably coming from syslog_ident. I note the following comment in the Linux man

Re: [GENERAL] fine tuned database dump/reload?

2005-10-14 Thread Dan Armbrust
Jim C. Nasby wrote: Since no one else has mentioned it, there has been discussion this week on one of the lists (probably -general or -hackers) about expanding the capabilities of pg_dump. I've advocated for allowing a file that specifies what objects to dump and what kind of filtering to apply

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 17:48, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:53:51AM -0700, Chris Travers wrote: Now, what about PgPool as a multimaster sync replication solution? Sure it is statement level But is there any reason why you cannot have multiple PgPool instances

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:54:19PM +0900, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Enforcement? There would be plenty of ways to achieve that. For example, you could set pg_hba.conf so that on ly the host where pgpool is running on could connect to the host where postmaster is running on. That just changes the

[GENERAL] PostgreSQL source inspection :)

2005-10-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, Command Prompt has started a community project to allow for easier inspection of the PostgreSQL source. The project is no where near complete but this is what we have done: 1. Converted the entire PostgreSQL CVS repository to SVN. This includes all releases all the way back to the

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:20:41AM -0500, Scott Marlowe wrote: USers accessing machines behind the scenes is a VERY bad idea. It's not a pgpool bug, is a user bug. :) The problem with this glib answer is that we are talking about systems where such a user bug can cost people millions of

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 10:48, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:54:19PM +0900, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Enforcement? There would be plenty of ways to achieve that. For example, you could set pg_hba.conf so that on ly the host where pgpool is running on could connect to the host

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Aly S.P Dharshi
Please allow me to wad into this discussion giving it a different view. LDAP is a form of a database, it has Multi-Master afaik it runs somewhat decently for two masters, can't we use a similar setup as say Fedora Directory Server or OpenLDAP's replication strategy and with some

[GENERAL] Supplying password to pg_dump

2005-10-14 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
I'm trying to incorporate a backup/restore facility into a Delphi app, and I've run into trouble trying to get a password to pg_dump. I'm developing using PostgreSQL 8.0 on my WinXP Pro laptop. pg_dump is being executed by the Windows API function ShellExecuteEx(). I've tried putting a

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 10:48, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:54:19PM +0900, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Enforcement? There would be plenty of ways to achieve that. For example, you could set pg_hba.conf so that on ly the host where pgpool is running on could connect to the

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the lexer thinks that it should fold unquoted identifiers to upper case, then the catalog entries defining these names had better read PG_CLASS, RELPAGES, and MAX, not the

Re: [GENERAL] Postgres logs to syslog LOCAL0

2005-10-14 Thread han . holl
On Friday 14 October 2005 17:06, Tom Lane wrote: This is troubling since a reload of the config file could well move things around. We should probably pass strdup(Syslog_ident) to openlog, not just Syslog_ident. I can confirm that we use reload quite a lot to switch between full statement

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Jan Wieck
On 10/13/2005 2:40 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Chris Travers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So basically, the problem is that any fix for case folding would touch a fair bit of code and possibly cause other problems. However, I haven't seen anyone worry about performance issues in such a fix, just that it

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 01:33:22AM +0900, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: BTW, the reason why I myself stick with pgpool is there's no perfect or acceptable replication solution for PostgreSQL (please do not talk about RAC or MySQL Cluster. I hate them:-). And that's part of why we're looking at it,

Re: [GENERAL] On multi-master

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:16:36AM -0500, Scott Marlowe wrote: You're users shouldn't be able to do that. If they can, you've set up your system wrong. Only the DBA should have access to that machine. And DBAs aren't users? Oftentimes, a big goal is to protect against operator error. DBAs

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So two identifiers match if either is an unquoted identifier and they match case insensitively. Or if both are quoted and they match case sensitively. Which part of adhere to the standard are you failing to get? The standard is 100% clear about what it

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Ron Mayer
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: PostgreSQL doesn't suffer from that. Our only real, substantiated concern that I can see is the potential for the Software Patent crap. Stupid question here ... if Oracle came at us with the Software Patent crap,

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Personally I think it's quite unlikely Oracle would try attacking any F/OSS project on patent grounds. They've pretty much bet the company on Linux (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5825433.html Linux isn't a competitor, PostgreSQL is. My guess is that Oracle simply recognized that the

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Gotchas

2005-10-14 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So two identifiers match if either is an unquoted identifier and they match case insensitively. Or if both are quoted and they match case sensitively. Which part of adhere to the standard are you failing to get? The

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 12:18, Ron Mayer wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: PostgreSQL doesn't suffer from that. Our only real, substantiated concern that I can see is the potential for the Software Patent crap. Stupid question here ... if

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Tom Lane
Scott Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be great if Oracle paid to fork MySQL to a pure GPL product, producing a new connection lib under LGPL, and hosting the whole thing as a version of MySQL that ONLY uses innodb. By forcing it to use one and only one table handler, they would

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Ron Mayer
Joshua D. Drake wrote: [Ron Mayer wrote] ...Oracle...recognized...solid database engineers with a product with a growing customer base... ...made sense from both a recruiting and a business growth opportunity to acquire them. Oracle isn't interested in the 395.00 market. I think it's the

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
MySQL has a nice set of reference customers (MySQL AB's claims include Google, US Census Bureau, Yahoo, Sabre, CERN, NASA, Associated Press, Macys, Cox, CableWireless, Nokia, Cisco, Sony, etc) - along with a proven business structure (combination of product + marketing) You do know that many

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 01:02:00PM -0700, Ron Mayer wrote: I'd suspect that any single postgresql-support company that had a similar customer list would get offers from Oracle as well PostgreSQL support companies don't have the leverage that Oracle and MySQL do to get their clients to come out

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [GENERAL] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Jeffrey Melloy
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Matthew Terenzio wrote: As much as I respect Marc and Postgresql.org, I can't see Oracle hiring him away as a killer threat to the community. People would set up camp somewhere else, like Command Prompt. It would hurt things for a while but

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [GENERAL] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
But what if they came in sideways and bought Command Prompt? Well then I would be sitting on a beach in New Zealend with an umbrella drink :) (As an example.) You could do a lot more to destroy PostgreSQL's market in the business world by destroying the various support mechanisms.

[GENERAL] dynamic loading of .so

2005-10-14 Thread TJ O'Donnell
I have begun to use some static variables in my c-language functions to maintain state (3rd party licensing issues) during the course of a session (postgres process, spawned by postmaster). These are declared static outside the scope of any function. (is global the correct term anymore?) When I

Re: [GENERAL] Oracle buys Innobase

2005-10-14 Thread CSN
There are some articles on eweek about this: Oracle Finds the Flaw in MySQL's Business Plan http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1869989,00.asp This is what Oracle says in its release: InnoDB's contractual relationship with MySQL comes up for renewal next year. Oracle fully expects to negotiate

Re: [GENERAL] dynamic loading of .so

2005-10-14 Thread Douglas McNaught
TJ O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have begun to use some static variables in my c-language functions to maintain state (3rd party licensing issues) during the course of a session (postgres process, spawned by postmaster). These are declared static outside the scope of any function.

[GENERAL] dynamic loading of .so

2005-10-14 Thread TJ O'Donnell
I have begun to use some static variables in my c-language functions to maintain state (3rd party licensing issues) during the course of a session (postgres process, spawned by postmaster). When I use dynamic loading of my .so, each session is independent, with its own static variables. Will the