On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
I don't agree in the least, I was actually going to suggest we add a
new one for relational design questions. I like many lists that are
contextually specific. IMO, general should be removed for example.
I think this makes sense for a
Lewis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If a person is interested in all the groups, is it hard to subscribe?
No.
If all groups are in one, is it hard to filter out? Yes.
Some people like to filter PG mail into different folders for different
lists, so that they can read with more focus.
On Feb 4, 2008 7:07 AM, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Selena Deckelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Feb 4, 2008 4:27 AM, Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
surely it should be under postgresql.org.
Having a
On Monday 04 February 2008 09:52, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
On Feb 4, 2008 4:27 AM, Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
surely it should be under postgresql.org.
Having a separate TLD actually increases the visibility of the
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:11:52 -0800
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, I'm in favor of a separate list, but think that having a separate
domain is a mistake. The separate domain says this is a Drake and
Selena effort and not a community effort to those not involved.
Selena isn't
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:31:05 -0600
Erik Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sole argument I'd have against that, and I think it's a good
one, is that just seeing the plethora of different topics moving
through pgsql-general has been a key factor to exposing me to new
topics as well as having
--- Erik Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Lewis Cunningham wrote:
I'd like to have many lists also. There are so many messages in
general that I have a hard time keeping up. I would like to be
able
to just pick and choose those topics that interest me.
--- Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:18:55 +
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was going to suggest pruning the mailing lists down to just 3-4
already. The last thing we need to be doing is creating
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:31 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:18:55 +
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was going to suggest pruning the mailing lists down to just 3-4
already. The last thing we need to be doing is
Erik Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Lewis Cunningham wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't agree in the least, I was actually going to suggest we add a
new one for relational design questions. I like many lists that are
contextually specific.
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:52:42AM -0800, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
Having a separate TLD actually increases the visibility of the effort
from a search engine perspective.
Having just come from the domain name industry, I can report that that's
only sort of true. Did you taste this domain for
Josh Berkus escribió:
So, I'm in favor of a separate list, but think that having a separate
domain is a mistake. The separate domain says this is a Drake and Selena
effort and not a community effort to those not involved.
Which is also what postgresqlconference.org and planetpostgresql.org
On Mon, February 4, 2008 2:48 pm, Gregory Stark wrote:
[*] New newsgroups are formed not on The Field Of Dreams theory- if you
build it, they will come- but on the Brooklyn Dodgers theory-
dammit,
there's too many teams in this city: someone move out!--Charles
Seaton
It appears
On Feb 4, 2008 4:27 AM, Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
surely it should be under postgresql.org.
Having a separate TLD actually increases the visibility of the effort
from a search engine perspective.
We can learn a
On Feb 4, 2008 12:18 PM, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Guys, with respect this thread does nothing for us unless it is on the
certification list.
Do we really need a separate mailing list for every thread? It's already kind
of crazy with
Dave Page wrote:
Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
surely it should be under postgresql.org.
+1
--
Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
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Selena Deckelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Feb 4, 2008 4:27 AM, Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
surely it should be under postgresql.org.
Having a separate TLD actually increases the visibility of the effort
from a
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:18:55 +
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Guys, with respect this thread does nothing for us unless it is on
the certification list.
Do we really need a separate mailing list for every thread? It's
already kind
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:31:05 -0600
Erik Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sole argument I'd have against that, and I think it's a good
one, is that just seeing the plethora of different topics moving
through pgsql-general has been a key factor to
I agree except for that last bit. Search is huge and relying only on
word-of-mouth is silly when we have plenty of people who know how to
optimize.
This is completely the wrong argument to be having. Search engine issues
are important only *after* you have a certification exam and program.
On Feb 4, 2008 9:36 AM, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh Berkus escribió:
So, I'm in favor of a separate list, but think that having a separate
domain is a mistake. The separate domain says this is a Drake and Selena
effort and not a community effort to those not involved.
--- Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pgsql-hackers
pgsql-users
There really aren't any other groups of people. people who want to
talk about
There are hackers (contribute to PostgreSQL), DBAs (administer the
database), Developers (write application to interact with the
database)
On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Lewis Cunningham wrote:
--- Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:18:55 +
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was going to suggest pruning the mailing lists down to just 3-4
already.
Everyone,
I would junk pgsql-sql, pgsql-ports, pgsql-performance, pgsql-novice
and redirect them all to pgsql-general and pgsql-docs,
pgsql-interfaces, and pgsql-bugs and send them all to -hackers.
Speaking of keeping discussions on topic: this discussion is taking off in
a tangent at
Lewis Cunningham wrote:
--- Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pgsql-hackers
pgsql-users
There really aren't any other groups of people. people who want to
talk about
There are hackers (contribute to PostgreSQL), DBAs (administer the
database), Developers (write application to
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:48:16 +
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right, I believe that is a valid argument. I think the real
problem is that as a community we are not diligent in pushing
people to the contextually specific lists we already have.
I would junk pgsql-sql,
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:48:16 +
-performance is a little bit tougher because it may be a -hacker issue
or an -admin issue.
In my experience it is really a carbon copy of -general. I wasn't even aware
of -admin before. Is it just administrating
Em Monday 04 February 2008 14:38:31 Csaba Nagy escreveu:
Why don't you go ahead and create those special lists and make general
collect all of them ? Some sort of hierarchy of lists... if doable at
all, that could make everybody happy...
That's an excellent idea.
--
Jorge Godoy
Hi all,
First of all, thanks to Josuah to start this usefull and long time
waited project :-)
Oleg Bartunov wrote :
Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?
To me, there are two things Id like to be PostgreSQL Certified:
- individuals
- companies
Id really prefer my
Argentina presente ;-)
Regards,
gb.-
On Feb 3, 2008 6:49 AM, Jean-Paul Argudo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
First of all, thanks to Josuah to start this usefull and long time
waited project :-)
Oleg Bartunov wrote :
Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?
To me,
JPA,
Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.
What would it mean for a company to be certified?
--Josh
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Josh Berkus wrote:
Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.
What would it mean for a company to be certified?
I'd hope it'd mean that I can
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:28:24 -0800
Ron Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh Berkus wrote:
Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather
than by a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's
engagement in PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.
What
Well until now... i think i am the only venezuelan here i havent
been able to locate Cesar Villanueva . anyone knows other
venezuelans arround?
Btw... i've joined the cert list aswell
2008/1/31, Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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Santiago Zarate wrote:
Well until now... i think i am the only venezuelan here i havent
been able to locate Cesar Villanueva . anyone knows other
venezuelans arround?
I think they are talking about Ricardo Strusberg. He was interested in
setting up a Pg training/certification
Well i'm also want to be PostgreSQL Certificated, Zarate always said that he
is the only one in Venezuela, but we are several people who want to have
certified on PostgreSQL
On Feb 1, 2008 4:19 PM, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santiago Zarate wrote:
Well until now... i think i am
Josh,
Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).
Who else is in this? Have you talked to the
Tatsuo Ishii wrote:
Josh,
However running a certification programs (not just making examins) is
not a trivial work. Moreover it costs a lot of money (over $40,000 per
year in our case). Josh, how do you overcome those problems?
As the resources become required I am sure that I can make sure
Josh,
Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).
Who else is in this? Have you talked to the Venezualan
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:17:43 -0800
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Current broadcast members are:
Myself
Magnus
Robert
Chander (need to get him on the website)
Bruce has a pending invitation (which I didn't send yet)
I have not spoken with
Josh,
I have not spoken with SRA or the Venezualan folks but am more than
happy to have them involved.
OK, I'll get you some contact info.
--Josh
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Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?
I always voted for the united PostgreSQL Certification program
(amin, developer) we could promote with the help of commercial companies.
In my opinion, common certificate, valid in all countries will be much more
useful than buttons.
Josh Berkus wrote:
Josh,
Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).
Who else is in this? Have you talked to
Josh Berkus wrote:
Josh,
Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).
Who else is in this? Have you talked to
I suggest to explicitly invite the Russian folks too.
Oleg showed strong interest in a global certification thing.
we can contribute some material and so on if needed. it is currently
in german but it should not be a big problem.
many thanks,
hans
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