Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-08-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Smith wrote: Greg Williamson wrote: Our tests -- very much oriented at postGIS found Oracle to be between 5 and 15% _faster_ depending on the specifics of the task. We decided to go with postgres given the price difference (several hundred thousand dollars for Oracle in the

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-08-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Greg Smith wrote: Tom Lane wrote: I'm sure EnterpriseDB or one of the other PG support companies would be happy to sell you a support contract, if having somebody to sue is an essential part of happiness. And on a good day, access to someone with the source code who will actually

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-08-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Paul Ramsey wrote: Did the FAA ever publish slides of those talks? Sure wish I could see them... :) No, sorry, I don't think I ever saw the slides published. --- P. On 2010-08-11, at 6:58 PM, Bruce Momjian

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-08-11 Thread Paul Ramsey
Did the FAA ever publish slides of those talks? Sure wish I could see them... :) P. On 2010-08-11, at 6:58 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Greg Smith wrote: Greg Williamson wrote: Our tests -- very much oriented at postGIS found Oracle to be between 5 and 15% _faster_ depending on

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-30 Thread Dean Rasheed
On 30 July 2010 00:38, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: I can't see any change to the sorting behaviour there. Work_mem was set to 4096MB, shared buffers to 12228MB, temp_buffers to 1024MB, effective_cache_size to 18442MB. Ah yes. The sorting idea was a complete red herring. The top-N

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-30 Thread Tom Lane
Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com writes: Sadly, I won't be able to provide much further analysis or information, because the box concerned is being wiped. The MD decided that, as a matter of corporate governance, he couldn't punt the company on PostgreSQL, so my experimenting days are over. Back

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-30 Thread Vick Khera
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Scott Marlowe scott.marl...@gmail.com wrote: $50k or so you can throw 100 hard drives at the problem. Or even one of these: http://www.ramsan.com/products/ramsan-620.asp :-) -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-30 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: I'm sure EnterpriseDB or one of the other PG support companies would be happy to sell you a support contract, if having somebody to sue is an essential part of happiness. And on a good day, access to someone with the source code who will actually be motivated to fix your

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Richard Huxton
On 28/07/10 02:58, Howard Rogers wrote: For what it's worth, I wrote up the performance comparison here: http://diznix.com/dizwell/archives/153 Thanks very much Howard. It might be my schoolboy-physics ability to fit a curve to two data points, but does anyone else think that the second and

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Cave-Ayland
Greg Williamson wrote: Our tests -- very much oriented at postGIS found Oracle to be between 5 and 15% _faster_ depending on the specifics of the task. We decided to go with postgres given the price difference (several hundred thousand dollars for Oracle in the configuration we needed vs. zip

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Dean Rasheed
On 28 July 2010 02:58, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: For what it's worth, I wrote up the performance comparison here: http://diznix.com/dizwell/archives/153 Thanks, very interesting results. I wonder, are the results being sorted by the database? The performance degradation for large

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Greg Smith
Greg Williamson wrote: Our tests -- very much oriented at postGIS found Oracle to be between 5 and 15% _faster_ depending on the specifics of the task. We decided to go with postgres given the price difference (several hundred thousand dollars for Oracle in the configuration we needed vs. zip

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: Greg Williamson wrote: Our tests -- very much oriented at postGIS found Oracle to be between 5 and 15% _faster_ depending on the specifics of the task. We decided to go with postgres given the price difference (several

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-29 Thread Howard Rogers
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Dean Rasheed dean.a.rash...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2010 02:58, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: For what it's worth, I wrote up the performance comparison here: http://diznix.com/dizwell/archives/153 Thanks, very interesting results. I wonder, are

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Thomas Kellerer
Howard Rogers, 28.07.2010 03:58: Thanks to some very helpful input here in earlier threads, I was finally able to pull together a working prototype Full Text Search 'engine' on PostgreSQL and compare it directly to the way the production Oracle Text works. The good news is that PostgreSQL is

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Vincenzo Romano
2010/7/28 Thomas Kellerer spam_ea...@gmx.net: Why is it that managers always see short term savings but fail to see longterm expenses? It's all about CAPEX vs OPEX, baby! Besides jokes, it's actually myopia. Because they ALREADY spent money for training they don't see the need for extra

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Massa, Harald Armin
Howard, that was a great read! I especially like your sentence Considering that any search containing more than a half-dozen search terms is more like an essay than a realistic search; and considering that returning half a million matches is more a data dump than a sensible search facility,

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread zhong ming wu
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: Thanks to some very helpful input here in earlier threads, I was finally able to pull together a working prototype Full Text Search 'engine' on PostgreSQL and compare it directly to the way the production Oracle Text works.

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Greg Williamson
zhong ming wu wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: For what it's worth, I wrote up the performance comparison here: http://diznix.com/dizwell/archives/153 I always thought there is a clause in their user agreement preventing the users from

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Daniel Verite
zhong ming wu wrote: I always thought there is a clause in their user agreement preventing the users from publishing benchmarks like that. I must be mistaken. No you're correct. Currently, to download the current Oracle 11.2g, one must agree to:

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:24:12 -0600, Scott Marlowe scott.marl...@gmail.com wrote: Someone running Oracle is complaining about training costs? That seems a bit like complaining about needing to give the bellboy a $1 tip at a $1k a night hotel. Depending on how they are running their

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Kellerer spam_ea...@gmx.net writes: Howard Rogers, 28.07.2010 03:58: For what it's worth, I wrote up the performance comparison here: http://diznix.com/dizwell/archives/153 Very interesting reading. Indeed. Would you mind sharing the tables, index structures and search queries that

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-28 Thread Howard Rogers
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Daniel Verite dan...@manitou-mail.org wrote:        zhong ming wu wrote: I always thought there is a clause in their user agreement preventing the users from publishing benchmarks like that. I must be mistaken. No you're correct. Currently, to download the

[GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-27 Thread Howard Rogers
Thanks to some very helpful input here in earlier threads, I was finally able to pull together a working prototype Full Text Search 'engine' on PostgreSQL and compare it directly to the way the production Oracle Text works. The good news is that PostgreSQL is bloody fast! The slightly iffy news is

Re: [GENERAL] Comparison of Oracle and PostgreSQL full text search

2010-07-27 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Howard Rogers h...@diznix.com wrote: Thanks to some very helpful input here in earlier threads, I was finally able to pull together a working prototype Full Text Search 'engine' on PostgreSQL and compare it directly to the way the production Oracle Text works.