Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Guys, BTW, if you hadn't guessed, that comment was supposed to be off-list. Unfortunately, I discovered a bug with KMail and list management, the hard way ... Sigh.Just in case anyone wants to know, KMail 1.5.1 + has a bug where, if you have list management turned on, it sometimes sends

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 10:39:52AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: Thanks. As you know, I'm getting a little sick of the chicken little act among many of the -hackers I think this is a little bit of a mischaracterisation. Afilias is already a customer of IBM. BTW, if you

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, And to be perfectly frank, I was mostly thinking of Marc when I said that. Sorry, that was uncharitable. I meant that (at the time) you were panicking. Now you have something different to panic about. How goes the server shuffle? -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Josh Berkus wrote: Guys, BTW, if you hadn't guessed, that comment was supposed to be off-list. Unfortunately, I discovered a bug with KMail and list management, the hard way ... Sigh.Just in case anyone wants to know, KMail 1.5.1 + has a bug where, if you have list management turned on, it

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: Now you have something different to panic about. How goes the server shuffle? alot smoother today then it went yesterday ... and faster ... but, then again, *most* clients use 256MB of storage, so moving their VM around takes no time ... svr1 is @ ~13G

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: Marc, And to be perfectly frank, I was mostly thinking of Marc when I said that. Sorry, that was uncharitable. I meant that (at the time) you were panicking. Wait, I've not panic'd about all of this at any point ... the only 'chicken little' comment I made

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, alot smoother today then it went yesterday ... and faster ... but, then again, *most* clients use 256MB of storage, so moving their VM around takes no time ... svr1 is @ ~13G :) Something like 3G is justin's mailbox alone ... and i miscalculated how long it would take to move it back

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-29 Thread Robert Treat
On Friday 28 January 2005 12:36, Josh Berkus wrote: Robert, Read the law... willful vs. unknown infringement are two different things. We're not infringing anything, yet. That's a *pending* patent. *sigh* Thats understood. But you were using the counter-argument that we might be

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-29 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not mischarecterizing, I just feel that putting out an lru based 8.0.x release is such a bad idea that I'd rather do (1) than gamble on (2). I don't understand why you think it's such a bad idea. We do have the problem of getting adequate testing,

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-29 Thread Robert Treat
On Saturday 29 January 2005 11:33, Tom Lane wrote: Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not mischarecterizing, I just feel that putting out an lru based 8.0.x release is such a bad idea that I'd rather do (1) than gamble on (2). I don't understand why you think it's such a bad idea.

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-28 Thread Robert Treat
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 12:51, Josh Berkus wrote: We don't *have* to do anything when the patent is granted. When we *have* to do something is when IBM sends a cease-and-desist letter to a PostgreSQL user. Not before. With that attitude we don't have to do anything even then. We have a

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, Tom, Robert, Bruce, et al: Bruce is advocating waiting until the Patent has been Granted, instead of doing something about it now, when we know the patent is going through the system (and will likely get granted) ... a reactive vs proactive response to the problem. No, we're reactive

Re: [HACKERS] [pgsql-hackers] Patent issues and 8.1

2005-01-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Josh, Bruce is advocating waiting until the Patent has been Granted, instead of doing something about it now, when we know the patent is going through the system (and will likely get granted) ... a reactive vs proactive response to the problem. Very well written Josh. Thanks. As you