Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-26 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian said: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: Tom Lane wrote: If this were an ordinary devel cycle then I'd be fine with it running a year, but I think we really do need to plan for a shorter than normal cycle so we can clean up 8.0 kinks in a

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
YES! Yes yes yes! I try to plan my time, and the feature freeze data is very important in that planning. This is also important for people considering sponsoring developers. Also, regardless of the issues Tom raised, 18 months is too long a release cycle, IMNSHO. If you do that and you take

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Well, if you take the summer-vacation argument seriously, then nothing will get done between May and September anyway, so we may as well freeze in May ;-) I'd be happy with saying June 1. Hey, you and Bruce are the ones who'll get stuck with all the code checking if nobody else is

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I thought we were trying to get away from a midsummer feature freeze, due to the general lack of personnel in that season? ... So I'd advocate either freezing in May, or in September. Well, if you take the summer-vacation argument seriously, then nothing

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: Also, what do you think of Simon's plan for a 2-stage feature freeze? Maybe not so far apart ... maybe a month apart? I missed that ... could you re-summarize? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I thought we were trying to get away from a midsummer feature freeze, due to the general lack of personnel in that season? ... So I'd advocate either freezing in May, or in September. Well, if you take the summer-vacation

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Also, what do you think of Simon's plan for a 2-stage feature freeze? Maybe not so far apart ... maybe a month apart? I didn't feel a need for it. It's true that the closer we get to feature freeze, the smaller the patch you should expect to drop on us

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, I missed that ... could you re-summarize? Sure, Simon proposed that we have a feature freeze for major features (like bitmapped indexes and 2PC) before the feature freeze for minor features (like new system views). The reason being that the major features need a lot more code

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I thought we were trying to get away from a midsummer feature freeze, due to the general lack of personnel in that season? I concur with Josh on this ... that kinda wastes the 'two months of summer' when ppl

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: I thought we were trying to get away from a midsummer feature freeze, due to the general lack of personnel in that season? I concur with Josh on this ... that kinda wastes the 'two months

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: Tom Lane wrote: If this were an ordinary devel cycle then I'd be fine with it running a year, but I think we really do need to plan for a shorter than normal cycle so we can clean up 8.0 kinks in a reasonably timely fashion. Let's see how much 8.0

Re: [HACKERS] Development schedule

2005-02-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: Tom Lane wrote: If this were an ordinary devel cycle then I'd be fine with it running a year, but I think we really do need to plan for a shorter than normal cycle so we can clean up 8.0 kinks in a reasonably timely fashion.

[HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please could we have a development schedule page on the web site...? The information it should contain would be like this (and others) Current Development Release: (Coordinator: Bruce Momjian) 8.0:Beta1, released 2 August 2004 Beta2, deadline 2 September 2004

Re: [HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please could we have a development schedule page on the web site...? You haven't been around here long, have you? There is no schedule. The page would spend most of its time looking like Current Development Release: (Coordinator: Bruce Momjian)

Re: [HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please could we have a development schedule page on the web site...? You haven't been around here long, have you? Gee, Tom, you noticed? What gave it away? :) (I wasn't in a legal position to contribute before late 2003 - binding IP

Re: [HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread Robert Treat
On Friday 13 August 2004 19:37, Tom Lane wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please could we have a development schedule page on the web site...? You haven't been around here long, have you? There is no schedule. The page would spend most of its time looking like Current

Re: [HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not sure how much more useful this is, but generally the first RC goes out once all the open items are dealt with. Also doc freeze is generally expected at RC1 time (though errors in the docs are still acceptable fixes for subsequent RC's) Actually

Re: [HACKERS] Development Schedule Page

2004-08-13 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see this: there is no PUBLISHED schedule, there probably is no AGREED schedule, but everybody's working to some reasonable working assumptions which mean that there is in fact an IMPLICIT schedule. (Whether or not that changes over time) Well, if