Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-15 Thread Tom Lane
Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 2006-09-05 16:35:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically I don't see the point of investing effort in a bug-compatible version of userlocks, when we can have something cleaner and suitable for the long run with not very much more effort.

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-07 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-09-05 05:47:58 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that difficulty no longer exists now that Abhijit has posted his clean-room rewrite (look for otherlock in -patches). Perhaps he would be prepared to turn that into a patch against the core... Absolutely. Just tell me where it should live

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-06 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 9/5/06, Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2006-09-05 16:35:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest part of the work needed is to write the documentation --- but we'd have to do that for Abhijit's patch too, since the userlocks docs presumably fall under GPL along with

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-09-07 00:16:38 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Where would the code live, if it were in core? - Shall I hack up the API you suggested in your earlier message? are we still moving forward with this? I would love to see this go in for 8.2. I don't know about its going into 8.2 or

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Migrated to pgFoundry: adddepends (Greg) dbmirror (Steve Singer) dbase -- dbf2pg fulltextindex -- simplefti mac (LER) -- mac-manufacturer userlock (Merlin) Please also kill the following two contrib

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Userlock needs to go into core, not get removed; this was discussed in a previous let's clean up contrib/ thread. Something like it ought to go into core, but personally I'd opt for taking the opportunity to redesign the API, which was a bit crufty

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-09-05 10:23:19 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like it ought to go into core, but personally I'd opt for taking the opportunity to redesign the API, which was a bit crufty to begin with. I'm happy to do the work right away (not that there's much) if someone suggests a better

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Userlock needs to go into core, not get removed; this was discussed in a previous let's clean up contrib/ thread. Something like it ought to go into core, but personally I'd opt for taking the opportunity to redesign the

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a pity we didn't have Abhijit's patch 6 weeks ago. Well, now that we have it, the question is whether we want to do anything with it. One problem is it lacks documentation. However, as I said, I'd really rather choose a new API altogether. The

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Andrew, It seems odd to remove the module from contrib for 8.2 and then put a replacement in core for 8.3. I guess we could signal our intentions in the release notes. The current code is GPL. It *has* to be removed. --Josh ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Checking my copy of the hit list, I thought we'd agreed to migrate contrib/oracle as well. Hmmm ... somehow that got dropped out of discussions early on, without any reason why. See the more nuclear options thread; oracle is nowhere on it. Will only take me 30 min to migrate, but we

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Checking my copy of the hit list, I thought we'd agreed to migrate contrib/oracle as well. Hmmm ... somehow that got dropped out of discussions early on, without any reason why. Actually ... never mind that, it seems to have been done already. Sorry for

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 9/5/06, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a pity we didn't have Abhijit's patch 6 weeks ago. Well, now that we have it, the question is whether we want to do anything with it. One problem is it lacks documentation. yes, userlocks have to be

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also agree with Andrew that pgfoundry is not a appropriate place for userlocks. They should be properly documented with a cleaned up api. I have no objection from them being removed from contrib in the short term due to the gpl issue, although I am

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2006-09-05, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a pity we didn't have Abhijit's patch 6 weeks ago. Well, now that we have it, the question is whether we want to do anything with it. One problem is it lacks documentation. However, as I said,

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 9/5/06, Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-09-05, Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com wrote: The current code is GPL. It *has* to be removed. Which is why Abhijit's version exists - it's intended to be a drop-in, BSD-licensed replacement for the current code. does his patch

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Merlin, The current code is GPL. It *has* to be removed. Which is why Abhijit's version exists - it's intended to be a drop-in, BSD-licensed replacement for the current code. does his patch include documentation? I can help with that if it isn't done. was it reviewed? No, and no.

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane wrote: Checking my copy of the hit list, I thought we'd agreed to migrate contrib/oracle as well. It has already been removed because it is being actively maintained elsewhere. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 9/5/06, Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com wrote: So userlocks will be in pgFoundry for the next rev -- frankly, it should have been for 8.1 but I forgot it. For the 8.3 version, as Tom has indicated we may want to change the API somewhat anyway, so we'll want the pgFoundry version for

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Merlin, well, I'm confused now. Tom said that cleaned up functions might be sneaked into 8.2, which is what prompted my question. You're correct, he did. Tom? If that's the case I'm considering putting something together quickly. It's no big deal to me either way really. However, it

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2006-09-05, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/06, Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-09-05, Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com wrote: The current code is GPL. It *has* to be removed. Which is why Abhijit's version exists - it's intended to be a drop-in,

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Tom Lane wrote: Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also agree with Andrew that pgfoundry is not a appropriate place for userlocks. They should be properly documented with a cleaned up api. I have no objection from them being removed from contrib in the short term due to the gpl

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2006-09-05, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, I see the pgfoundry project as just a backwards-compatibility thing for anyone who doesn't want to change their code. I'm happy to put some cleaned-up functions into core right now (ie, for 8.2) if someone will do the legwork to define

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 9/5/06, Stefan Kaltenbrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also agree with Andrew that pgfoundry is not a appropriate place for userlocks. They should be properly documented with a cleaned up api. I have no objection from them being

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Merlin, well, I'm confused now. Tom said that cleaned up functions might be sneaked into 8.2, which is what prompted my question. You're correct, he did. Tom? Well, it's not like we're done with forced initdb's for 8.2, so I don't particularly see the

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2006-09-05, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no objection from them being removed from contrib in the short term due to the gpl issue, although I am not sure how you can copyright a function wrapper. I made this point several times in the original discussion (which was a year

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Chris Browne
josh@agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) writes: Overall, though, I think we should really wait until 8.3 for core merge and API improvements. Wasn't Tom just complaining about last-minute features, and not enough code reviewers? He may have worked through enough of the backlog that he's ready to

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2006-09-05 16:35:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest part of the work needed is to write the documentation --- but we'd have to do that for Abhijit's patch too, since the userlocks docs presumably fall under GPL along with the code. I'll write the documentation, either for the

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-05 Thread Tom Lane
Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fine with me. Two questions: - Where would the code live, if it were in core? New file under utils/adt/ probably ... it's not a new datatype exactly, but that's the default place for new SQL-visible functions. - Shall I hack up the API you

[HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-04 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, After some delay with server issues, I've loaded these contrib modules. Since I'm not hip to the magic required to remove a directory safely in CVS, please do it for me? Migrated to pgFoundry: adddepends (Greg) dbmirror (Steve Singer) dbase -- dbf2pg

Re: [HACKERS] Ding-dong, contrib is dead ...

2006-09-04 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2006-09-05, Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com wrote: Migrated to pgFoundry: [...] userlock (Merlin) Userlock needs to go into core, not get removed; this was discussed in a previous let's clean up contrib/ thread. If it's not going into core in 8.2 then it needs to stay in contrib.