Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for Linux/Unix

2006-02-05 Thread August Zajonc
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: Hi, As you know, many databases that run on Linux / Unix systems have a GUI installer which make installation easier and more attractive for some people. Our Windows Installer is very attractive, for example. Now, I and Burcu Guzel, who is a Senior Programmer,

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tino Wildenhain Sent: 31 January 2006 07:55 To: Rick Gigger Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Joshua D. Drake; Christopher Browne; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] New project launched

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
Hi, On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 20:41 -0800, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: How will you do an orderly upgrade from one revision to the next, including all the dependencies? We are still in planning phase, any ideas of how to do that is welcome. How will you distribute security updates? We are still in

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
Hi, On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 19:35 -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: We are actively looking for developers for the project. Please drop me an e-mail if you want to join this project. We will use Python, so you need to be a Python guy to join the project. We are in planning phase, if you join

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:15 +, Dave Page wrote: As was said, a gui to produce postgresql.conf files (off host) can be of value. pgAdmin? Installer should produce a postgresql.conf, based on some selections via the interface. Then we will use pgAdmin to edit, improve, etc.

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Dave Page
launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:15 +, Dave Page wrote: As was said, a gui to produce postgresql.conf files (off host) can be of value. pgAdmin? Installer should produce a postgresql.conf, based on some selections via the interface

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 08:34 +0100, Tino Wildenhain wrote: http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgnixinstaller/ We are actively looking for developers for the project. Please drop me an e-mail if you want to join this project. We will use Python, so you need to be a Python guy to join

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Dave Page schrieb: ... As was said, a gui to produce postgresql.conf files (off host) can be of value. pgAdmin? Well, strictly spoken a gui text editor is a gui... but I rather had in mind something guided with buttons, select boxes and stuff and references to documentation,

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Tino Wildenhain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2006 10:53 To: Dave Page Cc: Rick Gigger; Marc G. Fournier; Joshua D. Drake; Christopher Browne; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Dave Page schrieb: ... Well, strictly spoken a gui text editor is a gui... but I rather had in mind something guided with buttons, select boxes and stuff and references to documentation, calculations and the like. :-) Err, yes. pgAdmin? It's somewhat more than a simple text editor. Ah,

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Andreas Pflug
Tino Wildenhain wrote: Figuring out the correct values for some of the buffers and costs is still a bit tough. Otoh, I guess there is no easy way to predict all these. pgAdmin has a mechanism to suggest values (currently for autovacuum and listen_address only), which waits for expansion :-)

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Christopher Browne
Hi, On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 19:35 -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: We are actively looking for developers for the project. Please drop me an e-mail if you want to join this project. We will use Python, so you need to be a Python guy to join the project. We are in planning phase, if you

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Richard Huxton
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 19:35 -0800, Christopher Browne wrote: We are actively looking for developers for the project. Please drop me an e-mail if you want to join this project. We will use Python, so you need to be a Python guy to join the project. We are in planning

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Bricklen Anderson
J. Andrew Rogers wrote: snip A graphical installer for Unix is fine, but please, do not make it anything like Oracle's graphical installer. Oracle's graphical install process gives command line installs a good name for ease of use. J. Andrew Rogers I heartily second that!

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Rick Gigger
On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:54 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Rick Gigger schrieb: I don't see why anyone has a problem with this. I am certainly never going to use it but if it helps someone who isn't a linux person to use it on a project when they would have used something else (like mysql)

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 08:53:54PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: If I could install Oracle on Debian/AMD64 with a shell script, I'd drop Postgresql in a heartbeat. Obviously anybody is welcome and able to just write whatever software they feel is needed, but go ahead and count me among the

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:46:03AM +, Andreas Pflug wrote: Tino Wildenhain wrote: Figuring out the correct values for some of the buffers and costs is still a bit tough. Otoh, I guess there is no easy way to predict all these. pgAdmin has a mechanism to suggest values (currently for

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-31 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 13:02 -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:46:03AM +, Andreas Pflug wrote: Tino Wildenhain wrote: Figuring out the correct values for some of the buffers and costs is still a bit tough. Otoh, I guess there is no easy way to predict all

[HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for Linux/Unix systems

2006-01-30 Thread Devrim GUNDUZ
Hi, As you know, many databases that run on Linux / Unix systems have a GUI installer which make installation easier and more attractive for some people. Our Windows Installer is very attractive, for example. Now, I and Burcu Guzel, who is a Senior Programmer, decided to launch a new project:

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for Linux/Unix systems

2006-01-30 Thread Christopher Browne
We are actively looking for developers for the project. Please drop me an e-mail if you want to join this project. We will use Python, so you need to be a Python guy to join the project. We are in planning phase, if you join us earlier, we will be able to share more ideas. You'd better

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On my Debian systems, I can install PostgreSQL quite readily via the command apt-get install postgresql-8.1, which can get GUIed at least somewhat if I run aptitude, synaptic, or such... Yes Christopher, you can... I can, and Devrim can As more and more people come on board people are

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: On my Debian systems, I can install PostgreSQL quite readily via the command apt-get install postgresql-8.1, which can get GUIed at least somewhat if I run aptitude, synaptic, or such... Yes Christopher, you can... I can, and Devrim can As

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Rick Gigger
I don't see why anyone has a problem with this. I am certainly never going to use it but if it helps someone who isn't a linux person to use it on a project when they would have used something else (like mysql) or if it convinces someone to run postgres on linux instead of windows because

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 19:52 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: On my Debian systems, I can install PostgreSQL quite readily via the command apt-get install postgresql-8.1, which can get GUIed at least somewhat if I run aptitude, synaptic, or such... Yes Christopher, you can... I can, and

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Tony Caduto
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: Have you looked at AutoPackage? http://autopackage.org screen shots. http://autopackage.org/gallery.html Has a GUI wizard if X windows is available and a command line wizard if no X is available. Using autopackage is similar to using MSI,Wise,Inno etc on Windows.

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Oracle's graphical installer is a material impediment to Oracle adoption. The installer only works on systems where particular versions of Java and Motif libraries are available. On 64-bit Opteron systems it only works with the peculiar 32-bit thunking tree favored by Red Hat and hardly

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 20:53 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Oracle's graphical installer is a material impediment to Oracle adoption. The installer only works on systems where particular versions of Java and Motif libraries are available. On 64-bit Opteron systems it only works with the

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Josh Berkus
Jeff, So why don't you just do that with Postgres? You could call it Bootable PostgreSQL. It would be a big hit. When a new version comes out, you can just mail out a new DVD. Actually, we have these. We give them out at conferences. --Josh ---(end of

Re: [GENERAL] [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Tony Caduto wrote: Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: Have you looked at AutoPackage? http://autopackage.org screen shots. http://autopackage.org/gallery.html Has a GUI wizard if X windows is available and a command line wizard if no X is available. Using autopackage

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Devrim GUNDUZ schrieb: Hi, As you know, many databases that run on Linux / Unix systems have a GUI installer which make installation easier and more attractive for some people. If you think of the *racle-GUI-Installer, most people find it very s*cking ;) Our Windows Installer is very

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Joshua D. Drake schrieb: ... As more and more people come on board people are going to want to download a .exe (a metaphor), double click and have it open an installer, they will then want to click next, next, continue, finish. You don't get that with apt-get install. Well you can use a

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Rick Gigger schrieb: I don't see why anyone has a problem with this. I am certainly never going to use it but if it helps someone who isn't a linux person to use it on a project when they would have used something else (like mysql) or if it convinces someone to run postgres on linux

Re: [HACKERS] New project launched : PostgreSQL GUI Installer for

2006-01-30 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jan 30, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: There is a reason that even Oracle has a graphical installer on Linux, because most people installing the software: A. Don't know how to use it B. Probably don't know how to use Linux C. Don't want to. Except that the Oracle graphical