Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-12 Thread Patrick Welche
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:14:34PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On 2 May 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: ... BTW, I think PostgreSQL does _not_ need any mission statement. Nope, it doesn't ... never did before, don't know why it does suddenly ... do any other open source projects have one?

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-03 Thread Jean-Michel POURE
Le Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 04:46, mlw a écrit : Corporate bullshit or not, it is a fact of life and a custom that we open source people need to accept. We write the best shit, we do the best work. We are more professional and dedicated than most professionals. Our quality is usually much better

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-03 Thread Jean-Michel POURE
Le Vendredi 3 Mai 2002 02:22, Thomas Lockhart a écrit : PostgreSQL is and will be the most advanced open-source database available anywhere. *** The PostgreSQL community is committed to creating and

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Scott Marlowe wrote: On 2 May 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: The Politically Correct mission statement follows: The PostgreSQL community is committed to creating and maintaining a good but not the best, mostly reliable, open-source multi-purpose standards based

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-03 Thread Ron Chmara
Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:45:45PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. who on the list wears

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Dalibor Andzakovic
Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit : Provide a really good database and have fun doing it PostgreSQL Community is commited to providing Humanity with the best multi-purpose, reliable, open-source and free database system. How about We can store your data ? Just a late

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Nigel J. Andrews
Is this an indication of a need for [EMAIL PROTECTED]? :) I like: We'll store your data; if we think it'll be an interesting enough diversion for us. -- Nigel Andrews On Thu, 2 May 2002, mlw wrote: Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit :

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit : Provide a really good database and have fun doing it PostgreSQL Community is commited to providing Humanity with the best multi-purpose, reliable, open-source and free database system. The PostgreSQL community

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:15:15AM -0400, mlw wrote: Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit : Provide a really good database and have fun doing it PostgreSQL Community is commited to providing Humanity with the best multi-purpose, reliable,

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:15:15AM -0400, mlw wrote: Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit : Provide a really good database and have fun doing it PostgreSQL Community is commited to providing Humanity with the best

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:43:04AM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: why does it have to be THE BEST ? that is insulting to the other projects like MySQL which while competitors are also a valid and useful benchmark for features, performance and keeping the postgresql community on its

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:43:39PM +0100, Nigel J. Andrews wrote: I like: We'll store your data; if we think it'll be an interesting enough diversion for us. gets my vote. 8^) -- [ Jim Mercer[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 416 410-5633 ] [ I want to live forever, or die

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Rod Taylor
I don't know about you, but I want PostgreSQL to be the best, be THE most reliable. Omitting best or most from the statement means that we should all just give up now, because PostgreSQL is pretty damn good already. i think a mission statement full of boastfulness is just a sound bite,

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Nigel J. Andrews wrote: Is this an indication of a need for [EMAIL PROTECTED]? :) already exists as pgsql-advocacy :) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jean-Michel POURE
The PostgreSQL community is committed to creating and maintaining the best, most reliable, open-source multi-purpose standards based database, and with it, promote free(dom) and open source software world wide. I hope you don't mind writing free(dom) with the idea of fighting patent abuses.

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 02 May 2002 08:56 am, Jim Mercer wrote: i think a mission statement full of boastfulness is just a sound bite, and will be dismissed as such. if you want the mission statement to have an impact, then it needs to be acceptable not only to those who fully embrace it, but also

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 2 May 2002, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:15:15AM -0400, mlw wrote: Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Mai 2002 01:59, David Terrell a écrit : Provide a really good database and have fun doing it PostgreSQL Community is commited to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jean-Michel POURE wrote: The PostgreSQL community is committed to creating and maintaining the best, most reliable, open-source multi-purpose standards based database, and with it, promote free(dom) and open source software world wide. I hope you don't mind writing free(dom) with the idea

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 2 May 2002, Jason Earl wrote: Scott Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 1 May 2002, David Terrell wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? If so, where could I find it?

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 2 May 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 14:37, Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:15:15AM -0400, mlw wrote: Who's that? Anyone disagree? why does it have to be THE BEST ? that is insulting to the other projects like MySQL which while competitors are also

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
[ please try not to take this too seriously ] On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:11:41PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: altho in most contexts, I would agree with Jim as to the use of 'The Best', for any mission statement to say anything other then that, IMHO, shows a lack of commitment ... I agree

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Marc G. Fournier wrote: BTW, I think PostgreSQL does _not_ need any mission statement. Nope, it doesn't ... never did before, don't know why it does suddenly ... do any other open source projects have one? Its kinda fun to see what ppl banter around, but I can't see it being useful to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, 1 May 2002, David Terrell wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? If so, where could I find it? If not, does anyone see a need? Provide a really good database and have fun doing it

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jan Wieck
mlw wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: BTW, I think PostgreSQL does _not_ need any mission statement. Nope, it doesn't ... never did before, don't know why it does suddenly ... do any other open source projects have one? Its kinda fun to see what ppl banter around, but I can't see it

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 2 May 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: The Politically Correct mission statement follows: The PostgreSQL community is committed to creating and maintaining a good but not the best, mostly reliable, open-source multi-purpose standards based database, and with it, promote free and open source

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Michael E. Locasto
We as developers do not need mission statements, per se' but it is often useful as something to point to. It's comforting and useful to point to; in addition, developers work on something because of personal itches (to coin a phrase) that happen to broadly overlap with the group IMHO, if

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jason Earl
Scott Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 1 May 2002, David Terrell wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? If so, where could I find it? If not, does anyone see a need? Provide

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Mark kirkwood
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 04:25, mlw wrote: IMHO, if we can come up with a strong, positive statement, it would help MBA trained CIOs and CTOs choose PostgreSQL. To them, it will show a professional minded development group, it will be recognizable to them. I am not so sure about that - In my

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Dann Corbit
Mission Statement: To KICK Gluteus Maximus! ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Mark kirkwood wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 04:25, mlw wrote: IMHO, if we can come up with a strong, positive statement, it would help MBA trained CIOs and CTOs choose PostgreSQL. To them, it will show a professional minded development group, it will be recognizable to them. I am

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. straw vote! who on the list wears ties? -- [ Jim Mercer[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 416 410-5633 ] [ I want to live forever, or die trying.] ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Dalibor Andzakovic
Lol This gets my vote ;-) Dali -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dann Corbit Sent: Friday, 3 May 2002 14:33 To: PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement? Mission Statement: To KICK Gluteus

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. straw vote! who on the list wears ties? How many people who make IT decisions wear ties? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. straw vote! who on the list wears ties? How many people who make IT decisions wear ties? too many. -- [ Jim

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. straw vote! who on the list wears ties? How many people who make IT decisions wear ties?

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:45:45PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. who on the list wears ties? How many people

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-02 Thread mlw
Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:45:45PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0400, mlw wrote: Jim Mercer wrote: On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:41:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: A mission statement is like a tie. who on the list wears

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread Tom Lane
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? Nope. Given the wide variety of views among the developer community, I think we'd have a tough time agreeing on a mission statement, unless it was so generic as to be meaningless ...

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread cbbrowne
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? Nope. Given the wide variety of views among the developer community, I think we'd have a tough time agreeing on a mission statement, unless it was so generic as to be meaningless ... Well, I

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread David Terrell
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0400, mlw wrote: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? If so, where could I find it? If not, does anyone see a need? Provide a really good database and have fun doing it -- David Terrell | War is peace, Prime

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread Jan Wieck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? Nope. Given the wide variety of views among the developer community, I think we'd have a tough time agreeing on a mission statement, unless it was so generic as to

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL mission statement?

2002-05-01 Thread mlw
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just out of curiosity, does PostgreSQL have a mission statement? Nope. Given the wide variety of views among the developer community, I think we'd have a tough time agreeing on a mission statement, unless it was so generic as