Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-27 Thread ghatpande
. I will require to get training in technical, functional and culture of postgresql. Pl let me know, if you decide positively. Regards, Vijay. - Original Message - From: Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:00 am Subject: Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-27 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:49 AM, ghatpa...@vsnl.net wrote: Hi, I would like to be Mentor for Funded Reviewers. My mission will be: 1)      We are empowered to create a better world together. 2)      Together we co-create our existence. 3)      Together we make Postgresql project a success.

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: Many people are contributing patches for free. Will those people get paid to fix their own bugs? I guess they might well be better at finding and fixing them than others, so it is an interesting question. I remember

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Jan 26, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Richard Broersma wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:38 AM, David Fetter da...@fetter.org wrote: I'm thinking that we should consider *very* carefully before we introduce payments into what had been an all-volunteer effort. You may get people to do things they

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.comwrote: Part of GCOC's success has been in allowing a class of people to participate who otherwise would have had to get summer jobs flipping burgers. This is essentially the idea for this grant, to fund a person in

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Broersma wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com wrote: Part of GCOC's success has been in allowing a class of people to participate who otherwise would have had to get summer jobs flipping burgers. This

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: You're paying the reviewers; are you paying the mentors? The answer to this question is that we can fund mentor (teacher).  However,

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Tom Lane
David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com writes: I think M. Fetter is completely wrong. If people are rethinking whether they should volunteer based on whether other people are being funded for their time to review patches, we don't want such people around anyway. Let them leave. I can see his

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: Usually, in an educational process, it's the teachers who get paid, and the students who have to pay to get educated. I realize this is somewhat different because we want to encourage people to get involved in the

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:15 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: You're paying the reviewers; are you paying the mentors? The answer to this

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Just a small comment: If someone offered me $15 to mentor a reviewer, I would tell him to kindly go away. If the same person were to offer me a $15 t-shirt saying I mentored the review (or whatever), I would consider it. Yes, I know I could buy the t-shirt with the money. People are strange

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com wrote: Not somewhat, completely. Most of the teachers we have are already getting paid to work on PostgreSQL. There are some exceptions of course but if you look at the list of people that are qualified to actually review

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: It's just that I require both income and sleep. That's probably not an issue for people who are just getting started in the community. Another question is whether you really need assigned mentors at all. ... Very

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:29:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:15 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: You're

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: So I take it that the concern is not how reviews are funded, but over the perceived connection between the organic community and third party organizations.   This makes sense. I don't think that's it exactly.

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that's it exactly. Basically, if you fund reviewers, and we get lots more people doing reviews and they're all great, I'll be happy. If you fund reviewers, and we get lots more people doing reviews and

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by this. Now that I read it, I not sure what I meant either. :)  How about this: the selection, management, and oversight of grants and mentees should be opaque to the community so

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 17:39 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by this. Now that I read it, I not sure what I meant either. :) How about this: the selection, management, and oversight

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Josh Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: On 1/24/11 12:17 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: PgUS is preparing to fund a grant for PgUS members to learn and participate in the patch

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Richard Broersma
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org wrote: Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? I do believe that such grants are limited to members of PgUS. Although, I should mention that there's no restriction for residents of any country becoming a member of

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org wrote: Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? I do believe that such grants are limited to members of PgUS.  Although, I should

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 14:14 +, Dave Page wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Richard Broersma richard.broer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org wrote: Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? I do believe that such