is superiority. You should mention
eRServer, SlonyI, DBmirror, and Mammoth Replication.
What are distribution external data?
- Database Administration Tools
How is this different from the first item?
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index on an FK, or even no index at all! The docs for pg_advisor
need to reflect that it only catches little details the developer might
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writes, when WAL files are getting added/recycled?
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and unknown and a not applicable value instead of
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that Command Prompt's Mammoth Replicator works on something like
log shipping.There are both advantages and disadvantages to the approach,
meaning that we will still need other replication strategies, like Slony and
DBMirror.
Also, the jump from PITR -- Log Shipping is not a trivial one.
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In fact, it would be nice if they started killing random backends because
then I'd know something was wrong.
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want to be convinced that someone really
needs it. It is *not* our practice to add features just because we can.
Otherwise, I'll stick by my assertion that idle connection management should
be done in the middleware and NOT by psql.
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, someone can give us a real business case that they have
actually encountered in production.
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suspect that most platforms that use connection
pooling are the same. So your case would only work if you actually blocked
all connections from that host -- not a capability we'd discussed.
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no !=, no SELECT DISTINCT ON and no alias references in the GROUP BY
clause.
Allowing your students to use a non-standard operator that will fail them the
instant they leave the classroom is serving them badly indeed.
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melee of coding
to fix some problem or implement some feature (for example, a platform port
or PITR).
Would we have enough people interested in this? I've a feeling not, but I
wanted to ask.
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interface) code and not queries, and
b) they will never themselves be a search condition.
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of international standards for
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, then. From my perspective,
it is better to teach a student nothing at all than to teach them something
which is wrong.
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Fabien,
You're arguing that pg should help its customers to leave it easilly,
what is quite paradoxical! ;-)
grin
If we're going to embrace and extend, we need more market share first. ;-)
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Folks,
I'm thinking it's time to remove the MySQL conversion tools from the
PostgreSQL source tree and put them somewhere they might be maintained.
I've just done some testing, and neither one works with current versions of
MySQLdump.
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Hans, Andrew,
I have learned (please correct me if I am wrong) that people tend to
look in contrib before they look at gborg.
pgFoundry/project.postgresql.org will be up by next week, I promise.
Working on it now.
This should increase the visibility of non-core components.
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feel pretty strongly
that it will be more visible and easier to maintain on its own than in
/contrib.
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, GForge's Code
Snippets, has a bug that will prevent us from using it immediately. But
I'll see what I can do.
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2) Is the module being considered for eventual incorporation into the
mainstream backend?
That being said, let us get projects.postgresql.org up and running first ...
we've hit some technical snags today.
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putting more stuff in pgFoundry, and letting packagers know that they should
package and include all mature projects on pgFoundry if they can. (our
earlier discussion proved that this list cannot realistically designate
approved vs. unapproved projects).
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Folks,
Well, as someone could have predicted, once we actually tried running some new
projects on pgFoundry we ran into setup issues.We're resolving these and
should have stuff up and running soon.
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that fixed.
If #19 is missing it's because Oleg I could not get it to complete. That
was also the query which we are most interested in testing.
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. Tri-state. Folder upper, if failes, fold lower, if succeeds, warn.
Can't see this being possible.
2. Dual state. Fold lower or upper. Break if client is broken.
Best, I think. But it should be client-side.
3. Create a database conversion tool to change existing case.
No thanks.
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some, though, I've been
sick) Unless the 5 of us take a vote, Tom Lane speaks for Tom Lane, not for
Core.Also, usually this list or Patches determines by consensus what gets
in; the Core only gets involved in very unusual cases.
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, emacs. Or Linux.
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entirely, which maybe you're
prepared to do. If you want to change case folding for the system catalogs,
though, you'll need to update code in thousands of places, becuase the
back-end code is expecting lower-case identifiers
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like a company does.
Um, and pay them with what? Cowrie shells?
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convinces companies that he
approaches about case studies that he's for real). Titles are not at all
useful *inside* the community, we don't need them.
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the interfaces, such
as JDBC and libpqxx to seperate modules in pgFoundry. Either we're trying
to lighten up the core, or we're not.But right now there seems to be no
logic in operation.
I do think, though, that we need some system to build RPMs for all the
pgFoundry stuff ...
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' feedback.
Anybody wanna volunteer to be 7.5 testing coordinator?
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to numeric for equality
comparison, would it be possible to convert a literal value to match
the column to which it is compared? Or is literal processing completed
before any expressions are evaluated?
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BTW, we do coordinate with the Website development group, and for that
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offered to help the WWW team and were
rejected. If this is true, I'd like to see that person say so
explicitly and we can find out from Vince and Marc what happened; if
not, I think the insinuations about exclusiveness by the WWW team are
completely uncalled for.
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need to have a group making a
loud enough noise to get the world to pay attention. I'm not asking
everyone on this list to participate, but I am asking everyone on this
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in a way that's inconsistent with the development
goals for the database. We *want* Advocacy to be an integral part of
the Postgres community, serving the general goal of making Postgres the
best possible ORDBMS in existence.
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PostgreSQL. I'm against promoting PostgreSQL in
ways that embarrass me.
What, specifically, were you embarassed by?
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Would you be willing to act as a reviewer on future press releases? That way,
we can get the benefit of your insight in a manner that will benefit the
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, and are currently getting around that by vacuuming
every 5 mintutes.
Easy? Hard? Insane? What do you think?
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, either.
Funny, it sounded like a really good idea on the phone.
In the words of Rosanne Rosanna Danna,
Neeeveer mind.
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for these
variables? The best I'd been able to come up with is MAX_JOIN_COLLAPSE
and MAX_FROM_COLLAPSE, but neither of these exactly sing...
How about:
EXPLICIT_JOIN_MINIMUM
and
FROM_COLLAPSE_LIMIT
Just to make the two params not sound so identical?
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Folks,
I've been following this discussion, but I still haven't seen a definitive
list of patches included in 7.2.4. Where can I find one?
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it. What I'm concerned about is the
possibility of having any idea or fix I come up with dismissed out of hand
because it's a low-priority todo. Please add up the questions and
complaints of the users on SQL, NOVICE, and PERFORMANCE ... I know you read
them.
Thanks for reading, Tom.
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exactly how it's done?
If I knew that, I'd have proposed a patch already, yes?
I'm working on it.
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-language
sort of function, anyway.
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, and we'd need to
build it up before we could use it as the basis of a PG tuner.
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HEY PEOPLE!
How about we take this discussion to the Performance List, where it belongs?
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'jehosaphat' ~* '^Jehosaphat$', and certainly much faster than
lower('jehosaphat') = lower('Jehosaphat')
Why this sudden urge to prune away perfectly useful operators?
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Peter,
4) It's just as indexible (or not indexable) as regexp comparisons, and
easier to understand for users from the Microsoft world than regexp.
ILIKE is not indexible at all. Other forms of pattern comparisons are at
least indexible sometimes.
And how is ~* indexable?
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(or not indexable) as regexp comparisons, and easier
to understand for users from the Microsoft world than regexp.
And, on a quick search, one of my applications uses ILIKE 21 times in the
built in functions and views.
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be processed-type error
messages by showing the user up front which records are locked, as well as
allowing the admin to decide when locks should time out.
I tend to find in general that database locking mechanisms are a very poor
locking strategy for a good UI.
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concerned. PL/pgSQL's
FOR record IN query is currently both easier and faster than cursors so I
use that 90% of the time.
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Thomas,
./configure --help
Isn't anywhere else yet.
Not seeing it. Is this a 7.3 thing? What does it do?
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Thomas,
./configure --help
Isn't anywhere else yet.
Not seeing it. Is this a 7.3 thing? What does it do?
Sorry, yes it is a 7.3 thing.
What does --enable-interval-integers do? I don't want to bother writing up
issues you've already taken care of.
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.
Can I talk you into submitting your code to Techdocs? I'd love to have it
somewhere where it won't get buried in the mailing list archives.
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widely appreciated by Postgres users everywhere.
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into
account local laws and wierdnesses.
Alternative: We can allow users to designate timezones according to GMT
offset and whether or not they support DST. Example -8:00 DST for PST/PDT,
and -7:00 NDS for the Arizona example above.
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This needs more polishing, of course, but you can see where I'm going
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usually know at the time of installation whether
they're building a web server (secure) or a home workstation (permissive).
Depending on the setting, this should set either a grant all or revoke all for
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.
Personally, I would *not* want the database to guess what I want in a delete
statement; it might guess wrong and there go my records ...
Heck, one of the things I need to research how to turn off in PostgreSQL is
the Add missing FROM-clause feature, which has tripped me up many times.
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whitepapers and Oracle migration tips.
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up my databases, which have to_interval as a replacement for the
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... this replaces several of my custom PL/pgSQL
functions.
How is SIMILAR TO different from ~ ?
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data type, because
I feel that I need naming control as well as explicit permissions. SERIAL is
a convenience for those who don't want to be bothered ... serious developers
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Tom, Bruce,
Back in 7.1.0, we had a problem where no index could be used on ORDER
BY ... DESC statements. Has this been fixed? I'm writing an article
on indexing.
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passed to it, including quote marks. Useful
for nesting quotes, such as in the EXECUTEing dynamic queries.
example result
quote_literal('O''Reilly') 'O''Reilly'
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OpenOffice.org is a different story, as an end-user application. So we have
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Tom,
Done; I also added its sister function quote_ident. See the devel
docs at
http://candle.pha.pa.us/main/writings/pgsql/sgml/functions-string.html
Tante Grazie.
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3. There are compatiblity issues between the various JVMs. We'd have to pick
a particular JVM and stick with it, and get a lot of complaints from users on
other JVMs. I don't know how serious the issues are.
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BTW, does anyone on this list know about Command Prompt, Inc.'s tools? There
seems to be a lot of duplicte development going on in the commercial space.
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. I've used it.
One area where there is a monumental difference is in license fees. For
a single corporation, it does not matter. But for someone who writes
database applications that will be delivered to thousands of customers,
it is an enormous advantage.
Yup.
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- $20,000 a year in
licnesing fees -- *not including any support*. Just $2000-$5000 buys
you a pretty good $10 million software failure insurance policy. Do
the math.
As I said, I don't disreagard your argument. Just because it's hogwash
doesn't mean that people don't believe it.
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, who claims that every OODBMS feature
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Iavor,
Any other suggestions?
I can tell you from experience that Double-Choco-Latte, another
PHP/PostgreSQL tool, is really set up just for single projects. So it
would work fine for PGAccess-only. However, DCL has its own problems
and is not necessarily better than Mozilla; I personally
for a tuning discussion.
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P.S. if you signed your e-mails, I'd stop calling you mohawksoft.
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Sailesh,
BTW, do lots of people use the GEQO ?
I do. I've several clients with data mining databases that literally require
45-way joins on some queries. Even a state-of-the-art CPU balks at that.
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or not?
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, and as I've thought about the
idea over the last 6 months I've come to like it.
I'm happy to do the work for this ... it should be relatively easy if
everyone's Doc patches are up to date.I can't see any drawback to it; is
there something I'm missing?
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performance (load time) issues with pgFoundry.
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Partition Tables is developed for a
combined solution. But it would be nice to have.
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manufacturers which run on PostgreSQL.What is your definition of
enterprise deployment, exactly?
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as the superuser. Another switch,
telling pg_restore to attempt to ignore all errors and restore anyway, would
also be keen (though I can see potential abuse issues).
Has this already been addressed in CVS?
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sorting, and a few objects with long
dependency chains simply don't get backed up.
I'll see if I can put together a nice demo for this.
My concern in reporting this is that there are still a lot of commercial users
out there running 7.2, and I'd like to minimize upgrade pain.
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far
This is the line you should pursue, rather than trying to get people to accept
Evgen's patch.
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I could do the same thing in PostgreSQL using NOWAIT and a loop on the client
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