connection. Some things will be limited
(begin/commit etc. will not be possible to do here for instance).
Current status is that my first calls from Postgres to Java has been made.
Lot's of work remain.
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The JVM will be started on-demand.
Although I realize that one JVM per connection will consume a fair amount of
resources, I still think it is the best solution. The description of this
system must of course make it very clear that this is what happens and
ultimately provide the means of tuning
Two comments.
Context switches are of course much cheaper then loading a JVM. No argument
there. The point is that the JVM is loaded once for each connection (when
the connection makes the first call to a java function). Millions of calls
may follow that reuses the same JVM. Each of those calls
My 2 cents...
The C++ language is a horrible language from an OO perspective. Operator
overloading, copy-constructors, templates, etc. can produce quite horrendous
and inefficient results if used incorrectly. Having said that I must defend
it some too.
Using C++, you get inheritance,
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What are your thoughts and ideas?
Instead of making up your own stuff, there's a whole SQL standard
that tells you how Java embedded in an SQL
100 entries and performance will be an issue. I'm sure something like
this exists in postgres but I haven't been able to find it. Please point me
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hard to write and maintain
using plain C. A language with built-in support for OO semantics can be of
great help. IMO it's better to keep an open mind regarding the future and
the potential languages that might be used than to make remarks like the one
Mr. Poure just made.
Thomas Hallgren
Jean
I'm working on a pl/java project and have come quite far with it. Triggers
and Functions are both callable, there's support for complex types etc. I
have a project on GBorg (pljava) where I'll post all source in a CVS
repository in a matter of days (the code is ready but my ISP have a router
I think much of the issues should be resolved using JDBC and
java.sql.ResultSet and a couple of interfaces that can be used when mapping
specific types to specific Java objects (SQLData, SQLReader/SQLWriter).
A PL/Java needs a hook where a connection is initialized for JDBC access
in the backend.
I just posted my initial release of the Pl/Java stuff on Gborg. The pljava
project is under Postgres tools - Drivers/Interfaces. Read the
org.postgresql.pljava/readme.htm (you find it using the CVS view) for more
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return ((_SPI_plan*)plan)-argtypes[argIndex];
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Is it safe to call pfree() from multiple threads?
My Java backend will need to utilize finalizers. Objects like a saved
execution plan that has been forgotten must be released when the wrapping
Java object is finalized to avoid memory leaks. The finalizer is called from
the garbage collector
appreciate any comments on it very much.
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There are no multiple threads in the backend, and no provision whatever
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IMO, that should be doable without nested transactions.
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My question is, at the point of /* Handle error here */, how do I get
hold
of the error information
system. Consequently, I have to use libpljava to reference
the module in SQL while I use pljava for the same module in Java. It would
be very nice if PostgreSQL could make an attempt to first prepend the lib
and if that doesn't work, try without the prefix on a Unix system.
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I'm trying to use a function that returns a complex type. I have no problem
creating the function but when I try to use it I get the message:
ERROR: function in FROM has unsupported return type
Apparently, this message stems from the parser. Changing the function so
that it returns a SETOF the
call). AFAICS, the way I do it is by the book. What am I
doing wrong?
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I'm trying to use a function that returns a complex type. I have no
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creating
to TypeGetTupleDesc, then everything works just fine.
I still suspect that something is broken with the calling mechanism. At
least for languages that do not compile the stuff into permanent structures
prior to evaluating.
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a look at the readme file and the user guide.
http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pljava/genpage.php?readme
http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pljava/genpage.php?userguide
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established. Is that possible today? If so, how do I
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things that it's not supposed to (like changing things). That's
part of my original question really, how hard is it to implement?.
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I don't want to kludge up a 2-phase commit support. Any attempt to provide
that must be extremely well thought through :-)
But I would like to know more about PostgreSQL capabilities in the area.
What kind of XA-support is there? Can I read about this somewhere? (I'm
working on an Open Source
to starting the
JVM)
4. Some other place that is obvious but not currently known to me
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What about transactions? Let's say the first call was in a transaction
that's been rolled back. Semantically, that means the call never happened.
If you maintain the session data in a table, everything is fine of course.
But if it's in memory the solution has some rather nasty implications to it.
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The attached tiny patch (not intended for application yet) provides a
space for plperl functions to create and share session persistent data,
What
)
{
Query* queryTree = (Query*)lfirst((List*)lfirst(qtlist));
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No, this was not related to triggers at all. The original discussion
concerned GUC functionality to handle configuration settings for pllang
extensions.
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steps? Setting up benchmarking and test performance
perhaps? Should not be done my me, nor by the people behind the
Pl/Java_remote, but rather by someone who is truly objective.
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, that's great. If we can
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should be able to use. It comes with JNI (and what they claim a
much faster alternative). I'm currently looking into what's needed in order
to use GCJ for Pl/Java_JNI.
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for both designs. We
have different objectives. You strive to minimize the number of RPC calls. I
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You probably have more ideas so please add to this.
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it comes to all Java code used to administer each
solution, but not in C-code.
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will expect the standard name.
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Yes. I am looking at a few of these things (preloading, intra-perl
calling, array and tuple return), and I understand that CommandPrompt is
doing some plperl work too
Participants
Dave Cramer
Thomas Hallgren
Laszlo Hornyak
Throughout this document, the solutions are called Pl/J (using remote calls
and one JVM) and Pl/Java (using one JVM per connection).
1. Common interfaces.
Laszlo provided Thomas with an URL so that he could download their solution.
We
) Implement and submit a patch
Any advice is greatly appreciated. Especially the ones that might speed up
step #1.
Comments, suggestions?
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. At that time, no placeholders should remain for the
class that the module uses.
Comments or suggestions so far?
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Ok. I understand that you suggest to Thomas
to
assert that no 'stray' variables persists after the definition. Where to I
put the documentation? A comment for each method, sure, but shouldn't there
be some sgml for this somewhere?
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Tom Lane wrote:
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The PGSQL_MAJOR_VER and PGSQL_MINOR_VER does not exist today. Ideally,
I'd like to find them in src/Makefile.global. Only thing present seems
to be the VERSION. I'd like to see something like:
PGSQL_MAJOR_VER := 7
PGSQL_MINOR_VER := 5
a while back (concerning loss of
MemoryContext between function ivocations). My workaround was really ugly
(using the parent MemoryContext) and could potentially waste a lot of memory
so it was imperative to actually get rid of it as soon as the patch was
released.
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. I'll
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) is to invent something ugly to split the current VERSION
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Which one is better?
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Didn't think you'd ever get such a result.
Using JDBC (wich has similar functionality), you don't need to worry about
case on identifiers.
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that could be accepted?
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A patch fixing those problems have already been submitted by Claudio Natoli.
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win32 too). A dllinit.o would be sufficient of course.
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dare say that the installation is pretty slick anyway. Read this and
comment http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pljava/genpage.php?readme.
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additions to) a common architecture if it
would help PostgreSQL to get a wider acceptance.
In short,
You have a great leverage. It's just a matter of using it the right way.
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It seems this would be handled just like we handle C functions today,
that is you create a shared object file, it sits in the file system, and
you LOAD the object into your backend, or you record it via CREATE
FUNCTION and specify the pathname.
running.
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in PostgreSQL. plpgsql is good
Patch posted on the patches list :-)
Let me know what you think.
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Some very good suggestions where made here. What happens next? Will this
end
up in a TODO list where someone can claim
be found here
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtml#junction I use this tool
myself. Works like a charm.
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is missing in the contract between the backend and the
extension module and should be rectified there. The contract, the way I
see it, is constituted by the two files.
Just trying to give you a bit more freedom to place your files :-)
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the build API. If they
don't use it, any incompatibility is their responsability.
Your suggestion to rewrite the Makefile.global etc. is a good first step.
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I added a trace to find out what it thinks the path is. It prints C.
Obviously it treats ':' as a path separator somewhere. Is that the intended
behavior on win32?
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Yes, on windows, you use a semicolon as path separator.
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Thomas
Some very good suggestions where made here. What happens next? Will this end
up in a TODO list where someone can claim the task (I'm trying to learn
how the process works) ?
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Tom Lane wrote:
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Why not use standard C semantics for the textual representation with
your addition that empty items are NULL?
This isn't C, it's SQL; and I think the array I/O representation is a
closer precedent for us than the C standard.
In any case
care one way or the other about parens versus
braces; anyone else have an opinion on that?
My vote would be on parens. It's more coherent. Do you use braces
anywhere else?
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the latest sources for readline-4.3. Apparently readline
uses termio and termio is not part of MinGW.
I need help. I bet someone has solved this in a good way (i.e. without using
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Why does postgres maintain a loader logic of its own? I can understand
that
the dynamic_library_path is necessary in order to configure everything
in
one single place. But why not just merge it with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or
PATH on Windows
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compatibility to keep everyone happy.
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:-). The part concerning the
security-leak is important though.
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And only the super user can use directory components in a module name?
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Isn't the fact that dynamic_library_path can
be changed at any time by a user a serious security
I agree. I wasn't aware of that restriction.
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really need some other umbrella name for this.
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Jumping on that bandwagon with all 6 feet!
Carl |};-)
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. It will not however, make PosgreSQL an app-server in itself.
I really think that [EMAIL PROTECTED] has great ideas (B.T.W. it would be
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too, I imagine.
It's there already. Pl/Java comes with a JDBC driver implemented on top of
SPI. And using it, you are of course running in the same transaction as the
origin of the call to Java.
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parameter placeholder in SQL for most people. So even if '?' shouldn't be
emulated at this time, perhaps it would be a good idea to abandon it as a
valid operator?
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Gaetano Mendola wrote:
Thomas Hallgren wrote:
Speaking in generic OO terms, using inheritance, you cannot remove
attributes that are present in the generalisation. If B inherits A, an
instance of B is per definition also an instance of A. Thus, you must
alwasy
be able to cast a B
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Try to use a similar construct in a more elaborate OO-language (like
Java, C#,
etc.) and you will get an error like:
Just as a point of reference, Java and C# are not more
I'll look into that. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Hackers,
I think there a bug in the GUC mechanism. The custom variables patch
added several malloc() and a strdup() call
a different thing altogether since it doesn't use ereport. I'm
sure I missed something somewhere but if not, perhaps the above functions
would make sense? If so, what's the best name for them and where should they
reside?
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From an OO semantics point of view, I still regard Java and C# much more
elaborate than both C++ and Common Lisp. The latter lacks interfaces and
different levels of protection
will guarantee
correct behavior on out of memory?
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Rather than clutter the code with the same ereport over and over again
(I
count 12 malloc's in guc.c alone
not. Let's just
respect eachothers standpoint and end the discussion here.
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batch. Each call followed by a commit. This
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means that Java clients have the
opposite problem -- it's a lot of work to try to use the 7.3-style
binary formats.
The commonly used java.io.DataInput will always use network order but
it's easy enough to read/write little endian using the java.nio and
java.nio.channel packages.
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/Java makes heavy use
(almost all calls) of TRY/CATCH macros today so any performance
increase, even a small one, might be significant. And the ability to
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Perhaps, but what about everyone's editors' autoindent logic?
I'd have preferred not to have the (); decoration too, but it is
really not worth the pain.
I guess you have a point. Ok, I'll live with it.
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