Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Keith Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do have a look at Sake/Packages equivalent to universes. I agree with Keith. Sake/Packages have all the features of universes without a GUI but provide an easy way to define your own universe as you did with Seaside and as

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Stefan Schmiedl
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:10:53 +0200 Damien Cassou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Keith Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do have a look at Sake/Packages equivalent to universes. Some told me they would stop using my dev-images if I use Sake/Packages without giving

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi Damien I can give you an explanation but keith will not like it. Note that I like the ideas that he is pushing and that I started to write a chapter for the next book on installer. - Keith idea that everybody can build its own distribution is not something that everybody like - For

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Janko Mivšek
Damien Cassou wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Keith Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do have a look at Sake/Packages equivalent to universes. I agree with Keith. Sake/Packages have all the features of universes without a GUI but provide an easy way to define your own universe as you

[Pharo-project] Interesting news

2008-09-26 Thread Bill Schwab
Hello all, Have a look at: http://www.object-arts.com/content/news/excitingNews.html Object Arts and Lesser Software are collaborating on a new version of Dolphin. They are still sticking to the Windows-only angle, which I find disappointing. However, even if they hold to that, we are

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - For example I would like to have a real look at MC1.6 but the message around it is blurry MC1.6 is not the topic here. I tried LFP and it broke on me. It worked fine for me. You may want to try again and send bug

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Lukas Renggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem I see with Sake/Packages is that these tools depend on a lot of other packages, that I don't necessarily want to have loaded in my images: Logging, Rio, Installer, Sake, Packages ... I guess one could argue

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Damien Cassou
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Janko Mivšek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you answered already: no GUI, no integration with tools. I see that as the only obstacle to a broader acceptance of Keith's work. For a long time, debian linux systems did not have any GUI to manage their packages.

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Sep 26, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - For example I would like to have a real look at MC1.6 but the message around it is blurry MC1.6 is not the topic here. Still this is the same :). It is a

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Damien can you post the code to load Sake Packages MC1.6 For me I'm always lost. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

[Pharo-project] A .mcz of Pinesoft's accumulated fixes applicable to Pharo

2008-09-26 Thread Simon Kirk
Hi all. Gary and I decided we ought to give out an MCZ of our fixes that we've put together over the last two years. Obviously some of those we found have been pulled into Pharo already, but the attached MCZ represents those that we think are still relevant :) This is a rough list of

RE: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-26 Thread Ramon Leon
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Lukas Renggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem I see with Sake/Packages is that these tools depend on a lot of other packages, that I don't necessarily want to have loaded in my images: Logging, Rio, Installer, Sake, Packages ... I guess one

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
My objection, the big ball of mud called Kernel-Extensions and the liberal use of overrides, which I think are evil. I like using packages that do their best to only use extensions and don't just go around the system willy nilly monkey patching everything. I don't trust packages with

[Pharo-project] Bug? I cannot see the diff anymore doing merge or browse

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi I'm tracking a problem I have and which is quite annoying I cannot see the diff when I do a merge or browse with MC. I'm with 10074 and I woudl like to know if you have the same behavior. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] A .mcz of Pinesoft's accumulated fixes applicable to Pharo

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Simon with which machine did you create you mcz? Because apparently I can see the diffs for other packages. Can somebody else check the pinesoft package I put in the pharoInbox? Stef Hi all. Gary and I decided we ought to give out an MCZ of our fixes that we've put together over the

Re: [Pharo-project] A .mcz of Pinesoft's accumulated fixes applicable to Pharo

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I'm trying to understand the problem I have the hypothesis that this is linked with the class extension or the fact that the package does not exist in the image. Can you also check that you can see diff when the changes is in an class extension? Because this is strange with some packages I

Re: [Pharo-project] A .mcz of Pinesoft's accumulated fixes applicable to Pharo

2008-09-26 Thread Simon Kirk
hi Stef. Hmm, strange. How are you viewing the diffs? If I browse the MCZ in a Monticello browser I see extensions to these classes: BrowserCommentTextMorph BrowserRequestor CanvasCharacterScanner Character ConnectionQueue GrafPort MultiCanvasCharacterScanner NaturalLanguageTranslator Random

Re: [Pharo-project] A .mcz of Pinesoft's accumulated fixes applicable to Pharo

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Simon Kirk wrote: hi Stef. Hmm, strange. How are you viewing the diffs? If I browse the MCZ in a Monticello browser I see extensions to these classes: BrowserCommentTextMorph BrowserRequestor CanvasCharacterScanner Character ConnectionQueue GrafPort