Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build alien plugin in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Torsten and JB: it would be cool to create a new metacello configuration version with this new version of VMMaker, puting the fix about the baseHeaderSize and integrating JB fixes to VMMaker. Cheers Mariano On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Fernando olivero olive...@lu.unisi.chwrote: On Feb

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Mariano and me are writing a chapter about metacello. We can put a draft on the web. Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: I think this scenario of usage is really great! Good work Torsten. Would be a shame that this example got lost in the emails list. For starting

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo website homepage

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks laurent! Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 6:37 PM, laurent laffont wrote: Hi, Discussing with Stephane I was thinking that pharo website homepage could be far less verbose in order to attract, guide newcomers better. IMHO it's a very important point for Pharo 1.0. I like the Rails

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Help system now for Squeak and Pharo

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Cool Danny what we could do is to define a pragma that we could use to tag public tests that are published in the help. Let us know and we can give a try to see. Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Danny Chan wrote: Hi! I like the idea. On the weekend I hacked a bit of code to generate help

Re: [Pharo-project] Browse classes with shortcut in merge

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Will happen in the next update :) On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: Certainly possible. Needs an update for Polymorph as well as the Diff tools. Will only be available when the changes tree has keyboard focus, also... Will do cmd+n for senders, cmd+m for implementors and

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Göran Krampe wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote: So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. Hey Stef, no need to be so sarcastic you know - several of us are in fact in BOTH communities. IMHO we all need to

Re: [Pharo-project] web package documentation

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I really like the idea! Continue pushing. Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 9:23 PM, laurent laffont wrote: Hi, I've worked on SimpleWebDoc http://magaloma.seasidehosting.st (code here, http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleWebDoc.html, proof-of-concept) Now it builds a package documentation

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello repos when adding packages

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks we will intergate that http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2045 Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: or add the attached which add a 'add to package...' to a selected package On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Gary Chambers gazzagu...@btinternet.com

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
2010/2/22 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de FYI, see http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-February/144820.html Incredible. Your answer are always very valuable. Little comment. You said: He creates a class ConfigurationOfMyDatabaseDriver since he learned that

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system. But I'm not fun enough or smart enough. Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he translated the book of etoy in

Re: [Pharo-project] how to remove World?

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
I think that maybe it is a good idea to use the DummyUIManager and the MorphicUIManager from Pavel MinimalImage. We can put those classes in a repository called PharoMinimal or something similar. Then, you will be able to load both classes, run your image headless and before, evaluate something

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build alien plugin in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Havent followed this thread and currently lacking some time. The VMMaker config is changeable, so go ahead. Take care that it also works in latest Squeak trunk. Since most VM maintainers use Squeak to build the VM this is essential to follow their progress. Would also be a great move if Alien

[Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Torsten Bergmann
So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others can to form an own opinion. I think it would be much more ... becoming (and fruitful) if we all

[Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Maybe I am wrong, but I think that you SHOULDN'T be aware of the order. I mean, you should be able to write all the spec package No, you are right. Usually in a PMS you just tell the dependencies and the load order is defined by the system based on that description. But I tried to be as close

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Göran Krampe wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote: So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. Hey Stef, no need to be so sarcastic you know - several of us are in fact in BOTH communities. IMHO we all need to remember that. Do you think

Re: [Pharo-project] how to remove World?

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
this is a really good experiment please continue and let us know the results. Stef On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: I tried by starting pharo with a script: Project uiProcess suspend. Smalltalk snapshot: true andQuit: true. ...and the processing stop

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: Maybe I am wrong, but I think that you SHOULDN'T be aware of the order. I mean, you should be able to write all the spec package No, you are right. Usually in a PMS you just tell the dependencies and the load order is

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Help system now for Squeak and Pharo

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Danny Chan chan_...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi! I like the idea. On the weekend I hacked a bit of code to generate help pages from the class and methods comments. I have just added another bit of code that sorts the documentation for all methods so that methods with

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Germán Arduino
2010/2/23 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others can to form an own opinion. Your mail is

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello repos when adding packages

2010-02-23 Thread Germán Arduino
Thanks Gary. I was not aware of this option. Germán. 2010/2/22 Gary Chambers gazzagu...@btinternet.com Create your package, deselect any package. Pick your existing repository spec. Choose add to package... from the repo popup menu. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From:

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello repos when adding packages

2010-02-23 Thread Germán Arduino
Thanks Eliot. 2010/2/22 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com or add the attached which add a 'add to package...' to a selected package On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Gary Chambers gazzagu...@btinternet.comwrote: Create your package, deselect any package. Pick your existing

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system. But I'm not fun enough or smart enough. Stef (a etoy haters that was so stupid that he

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! Torsten Bergmann wrote: So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others can to form an own opinion. Right, discussion is good. And

[Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread stephane ducasse
Hi all I would like that we have a discussion about how do we put in place an infrastructure to make sure that we can get metacello configuration working in 3/5 years from now. I think that there are two scenarios: MyProject == in my project I used metacello and I publish a config and if

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Goran another meta remark :) may be some people said in squeak-dev that we were not these bad guys after all and that we did some great stuff after all even if this was bitcounting and cleaning the dust bean and were kind of somehow right but I do not remember having seen people saying

[Pharo-project] Pharo by Example is back on Lulu

2010-02-23 Thread Oscar Nierstrasz
Hi Folks, After much pain, PBE is back on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/pharo-by-example/7522128 The problem seems to have been caused by embedded PDF figures, which messed up the fonts on several pages. By turning all th efigures into embedded PNGs, the problem finally

Re: [Pharo-project] Browse classes with shortcut in merge

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
In the latest Widgets/DiffTools on SqueakSource now. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Browse classes with shortcut in merge

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 11:14 +0100, stephane ducasse escribió: I was thinking about this problem yesterday in the light of the packages moved by Lukas. We have a problem with the packages referenced by a ConfigurationOfXXX. The can disappear anytime. The repository can disappear anytime. So I

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 11:14 +0100, stephane ducasse escribió: I was thinking about this problem yesterday in the light of the packages moved by Lukas. We have a problem with the packages referenced by a ConfigurationOfXXX. The can disappear anytime. The

[Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Torsten Bergmann
make sure that we can get metacello configuration working in 3/5 years from now. We should also think about - mirroring. Currently in Metacello you give the repo hard coded in the baseline. Maybe it would be better to have an alias there and define the repo elsewhere (for instance

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example is back on Lulu

2010-02-23 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Glad to hear this! Good job! Alexandre On 23 Feb 2010, at 09:46, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: Hi Folks, After much pain, PBE is back on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/pharo-by-example/7522128 The problem seems to have been caused by embedded PDF figures, which messed

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 14:12 +0100, Göran Krampe escribió: Sidenote: SqueakMap actually caches all URLs used for versions and if the original URL fails an SHA check it falls back on the cached file on the SqueakMap server. In that way it was meant to handle original URLs going stale or

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Germán Arduino
Hi Göran: Sorry by my intromision here, but want to say somethings :) 2010/2/23 Göran Krampe go...@krampe.se Hi! Torsten Bergmann wrote: So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Henrik Johansen
Den 23.02.2010 13:00, skrev Göran Krampe: Hi! Torsten Bergmann wrote: So you are educating them Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others can to

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
IMHO, this is the biggest difference between Squeak and Pharo I've seen. Sure, you can now unload Etoys from Squeak, your image will still contain code like ImageSegmentfindRogueRootsAllMorphs: though. Of courseand an infinitive number of Smalltalk at: #XXX ifPresent:

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! Germán Arduino wrote: Hi Göran: Sorry by my intromision here, but want to say somethings :) 2010/2/23 Göran Krampe go...@krampe.se mailto:go...@krampe.se [SNIP] What I have seen so far in Metacello is indeed nothing new - the senarios and discussions about dependencies etc go

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Geert Claes
Hi, I am very interested in the whole configuration management, metacello, monticello, public/private repository, project, library/package, object, project, environment, release, version stuff ... some clarity around is badly needed. My first contact with the whole Squeak/Pharo packages and

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Geert Claes
and with that I did not mean to use those other DVCS but maybe take ideas from them :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Metacello-How-to-make-sure-that-we-will-be-able-to-load-in-3-years-from-now-tp1565830p1566007.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example is back on Lulu

2010-02-23 Thread Serge Stinckwich
Thank you Oscar for the great job ! On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz os...@iam.unibe.ch wrote: Hi Folks, After much pain, PBE is back on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/pharo-by-example/7522128 The problem seems to have been caused by embedded PDF

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11229

2010-02-23 Thread Marcus Denker
11229 - Issue 2035: use Behavior#methods and Behavior#selectors Issue 2043: clean codeloader a little This does a #releaseCleanup afterwards. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Lukas Renggli
and with that I did not mean to use those other DVCS but maybe take ideas from them :) This is not a problem any DVCS tackles. Rather take ideas of package management systems like aptitude, rpm, portage, fink, ... As you see in all such system, they ship the code (binary or source) together

Re: [Pharo-project] Diff tools

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
If you can describe exactly what you wish I'm sure it can be done ;-) ... Remember, conflicts are conflicts and *should* be checked on a one-by-one basis when merging. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To:

[Pharo-project] Source code management - my vision. (Was: Re: Why a package management system)

2010-02-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
Since Goran mentioned DeltaStreams, i'd like to share one of my ideas, which came into my mind, when i complete coding the method trailers. I made a method trailers open for future extensions. A first step would be to introduce an abstract 'source management' layer, which will be responsible for

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo won't make a VM in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Javier Pimás
Made some tests to find out what is happening, and found the problem. I can confirm that this happens both in squeak and pharo. The thing is that B3DAccelerator doesn't work as internal plugin in unix. Making it external worked fine. This lead me to some questions: - To make it work as internal

Re: [Pharo-project] Source code management - my vision. (Was: Re: Why apackage management system)

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
Some kind of graph-based GUI would certainly help in this scenario to visualise the dependencies/changes... just a thought. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:02 PM

[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.1] pre-built Core#11229

2010-02-23 Thread Marcus Denker
http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26457/PharoCore-1.1-11229-UNSTABLE.zip -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread laurent laffont
Metacello is nothing new for sure, but contrary to other systems, it seems to have reached wide acceptance in Pharo. IMHO that's a key point. We don't need to have the best package management system, we need to have only ONE. Major Linux distributions are great for that. Ruby too (though

Re: [Pharo-project] how to remove World?

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes this is a good idea. May be the DummyUIManager should be by default in the system. Can you open a ticket? Stef I think that maybe it is a good idea to use the DummyUIManager and the MorphicUIManager from Pavel MinimalImage. We can put those classes in a repository called PharoMinimal

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build alien plugin in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I hope that we will get an engineer paid by inria but this will not be before september 2010. we should get some news in a couple of weeks. Stef On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Havent followed this thread and currently lacking some time. The VMMaker config is

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example is back on Lulu

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We need to get some cool reviews now. :) Stef On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: Hi Folks, After much pain, PBE is back on Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/pharo-by-example/7522128 The problem seems to have been caused by embedded PDF figures, which

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
neat! El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 11:14 +0100, stephane ducasse escribió: I was thinking about this problem yesterday in the light of the packages moved by Lukas. We have a problem with the packages referenced by a ConfigurationOfXXX. The can disappear anytime. The repository can disappear

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: make sure that we can get metacello configuration working in 3/5 years from now. We should also think about - mirroring. Currently in Metacello you give the repo hard coded in the baseline. Maybe it would be better to have

Re: [Pharo-project] Diff tools

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Gary sometimes I know (since for example I already checked all the conflicts but the system crashes for another reason) that I want to take all the incoming versions or the working copy ones. Right now I have to go over the list each time (even if I know what I'm doing). in the old merge

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Exactly this is exactly my experience. :) ___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
When I read the first article about Metacello don't figured out is power until I invested some time to learn it and developed some ConfigurationOf... and currently I think is an invaluable tool that help to put Pharo/Squeak at the next level :) Thanks. I'm really happy that dale started

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote: Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system. But I'm not fun enough or smart

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
But Deltastreams are ready to use on production systems? Nope, not yet, although very close. But since the topic came up I wanted to mention it. But AFAIK there is no other tool/project aimed at that use case. Again, I may be wrong : BTW I like deltastream and your presentation at esug

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
+ 1 let us work on the infrastructure. Metacello is nothing new for sure, but contrary to other systems, it seems to have reached wide acceptance in Pharo. IMHO that's a key point. We don't need to have the best package management system, we need to have only ONE. Major Linux

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I've been meaning to make system-change notifications for Pharo so the recording-part could work there too, but I never seem to get around to it :( Part of the problem is of course my own personal The Best Way(tm), which f.ex. would include Announcements. Since I'd like the ability to have

Re: [Pharo-project] Diff tools

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
I'll give it a go (keyboard shortcuts included) in the next DiffTools version... I guess you won't want a warning dialog the What you are choosing means that any conflicts will be unchecked... ;-) So, use incoming for all incoming conficts and use current for all conflicts? Regards, Gary

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
A final point. Yes I was in a bad mood. When I replied to torsten. But mainly a bad mood against myself and my stupid idealistic idea that I could spend good energy fixing the world I like. Now I decided to spend it in Pharo. Stef On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote: Hi!

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
If that was fixing the World (you know what I mean) then I understand :-) Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package

[Pharo-project] GemStone/S

2010-02-23 Thread Gary Chambers
Having investigated the virtual appliance (GLASS) http://seaside.gemstone.com/ for a potential upcoming project... It is in shocking state with regard to maintenance duties... We will be trying a native install with Pharo, of course. The question is whether anyone is interested in collaborating

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote: Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show that there is NO contradiction between innovation/fun and good and clean system. But

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Dale Henrichs
I like the notion of a secondary repository for packages. It is absolutely necessary to protect us from a catastrophic failure with any one of the SqueakSource repositories. Perhaps Gofer can be provided with a secondary repository location in the case when the primary repository fails. With

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Lukas Renggli
Perhaps Gofer can be provided with a secondary repository location in the case when the primary repository fails. Yes, it can. You just specify multiple repositories and it will use them all. If you tell Gofer to #disableRepositoryErrors then it will silently ignore repositories that are not

Re: [Pharo-project] GemStone/S

2010-02-23 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Gary, Having investigated the virtual appliance (GLASS) http://seaside.gemstone.com/ for a potential upcoming project... It is in shocking state with regard to maintenance duties... We will be trying a native install with Pharo, of course. Cool! The question is whether anyone is

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes and you are right. I was thinking too much about bad energy. :) Stef Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Göran Krampe wrote: Hi! Stéphane Ducasse wrote: You are probably right. I should not read squeak-dev anymore I spent my time trying to show that

Re: [Pharo-project] Diff tools

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 23, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: I'll give it a go (keyboard shortcuts included) in the next DiffTools version... I guess you won't want a warning dialog the What you are choosing means that any conflicts will be unchecked... ;-) :) So, use incoming for all incoming

Re: [Pharo-project] GemStone/S

2010-02-23 Thread Danie Roux
Gary, The question is whether anyone is interested in collaborating with producing some decent GUI tools for doing general administration tasks (backups, recovery, archival etc.)? Its not GUI tools but its quite decent. Subjectively speaking of course:

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build alien plugin in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Javier Pimás
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM, John M McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com wrote: On 2010-02-22, at 6:48 PM, Javier Pimás wrote: Nice It's compiling now. Now, I loaded tests, and here are the results: 37 run, 17 passed, 0 failures, 20 errors.

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Göran Krampe
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Yes and you are right. I was thinking too much about bad energy. :) Stef Cool. :) regards, Göran ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build alien plugin in linux

2010-02-23 Thread Javier Pimás
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Fernando olivero olive...@lu.unisi.chwrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:19 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: On 2010-02-22, at 6:48 PM, Javier Pimás wrote: Lastly, as I said when I loaded Alien Core the first time, I got this error while loading it: Alien

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Dale Henrichs
- Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: | Perhaps Gofer can be provided with a secondary repository location | in the case when the primary repository fails. | | Yes, it can. You just specify multiple repositories and it will use | them all. If you tell Gofer to #disableRepositoryErrors

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11230

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
11230 - - Issue 2048: delete class ChangeListForProjects - Issue 2041: remove #isSketchMorph - Issue 1519: remove #asKnownNameMenu - Issue 2031: Should add empty TheWorldMenu class - Issue 2046: Remove Network-in-Browser support (not used) - Issue 2028: remove Morph methods

[Pharo-project] nice tool I discovered recently

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys if you want to follow the changes that are done during an update you can open the Tools Code recovering recent submission There is a slight bug with the scrolling list but this tool is useful. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list

[Pharo-project] Shout

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I would like to know which version of shout we are using and relying on. Apparently one version was integrated on squeak and I would like to make sure that the one we use continue to get improved. One of these days we will have to think about the status of important packages that are

Re: [Pharo-project] Source code management - my vision. (Was: Re: Why apackage management system)

2010-02-23 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Doru did some experiement with Mondrian I believe. Cheers, Alexandre On 23 Feb 2010, at 13:25, Gary Chambers wrote: Some kind of graph-based GUI would certainly help in this scenario to visualise the dependencies/changes... just a thought. Regards, Gary - Original Message -

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Janko Mivšek
What if use redudancy features of Internet itself? As you know the Internet was designed to withstand a nuclear attack, with a lot of redudant features, which we can explore to harden the Smalltalk infracture as well. In the similar ways as guyss like Google do. You know, they have always a

[Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread stephane ducasse
in pharo #[122 43 213 7] hex = '7A2BD507' in squeak #[122 43 213 7] hex = '7a2bd507' do you think that it makes a difference? Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.frwrote: in pharo #[122 43 213 7] hex = '7A2BD507' in squeak #[122 43 213 7] hex = '7a2bd507' do you think that it makes a difference? Much of the rest of the world (e.g. gdb, md5sum) uses lower case. Personally

Re: [Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok thanks. The UUID spec (RFC 4122) allows both upper and lower case hex digits, so I don't see a reason not to. Bert On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: in pharo #[122 43 213 7]

[Pharo-project] withAllSubclasses - Set or OrderedCollection

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Nicolas I remember that we discussed this point or a related one a while ago Squeak Point withAllSubclasses an OrderedCollection(Point) Pharo Point withAllSubclasses a Set(Point) Do you remember? I forgot? Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] withAllSubclasses - Set or OrderedCollection

2010-02-23 Thread Nicolas Cellier
The single inheritance hierarchy is a Tree... I don't see any interest in answering a Set. Some tools might expect a Set... If so, they just have to use withAllSubclasses asSet. If my own tool expect a LinkedList, I ain't gonna change the Kernel library for my conveniency, or am I ? Nicolas

Re: [Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread Nicolas Cellier
The main reason for not using lowercase in squeak was Dan extension of number with radix plus exponent. 16r8e7 - 16r8 * (16 raisedTo: 7) and the Float variations... If you decided to abandon this notation, then go with either upper or lower. But a bit of consistency could help... Nicolas

Re: [Pharo-project] Why a package management system

2010-02-23 Thread Dale Henrichs
- Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: | I'm sure I'm not able to convince one or the other to use package | systems like Metacello but at least I hope to make them think about | the need of a more modular system. Torsten, Just for the record. I truly look forward to the day when a

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Magma 1.0 release 44

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Muller
Hi Ramiro, something happened between Pharo1.0-10502-rc1dev09.12.2. and 10508 related to Networking. Please see: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-February/021912.html I am not sure what happened. Perhaps someone on the Pharo team would elaborate? - Chris On Tue,

Re: [Pharo-project] Source code management - my vision. (Was: Re: Why apackage management system)

2010-02-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 23 February 2010 18:25, Gary Chambers gazzagu...@btinternet.com wrote: Some kind of graph-based GUI would certainly help in this scenario to visualise the dependencies/changes... just a thought. Sure. But this is a little far perspective. ;) At first, we should replace the source code

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello --- How to make sure that we will be able to load... in 3 years from now

2010-02-23 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Dale, I believe the original problem is that you do not know upfront about where the actual files will be. In this case, perhaps the easiest solution is to provide some scripting facility to provide a repository mapping that should could be modified at loading time, and not be stored

Re: [Pharo-project] withAllSubclasses - Set or OrderedCollection

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
this was not really my question :) I know that a tree does not twice the same node do you know when it changed in squeak or pharo and the reason? Stef On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: The single inheritance hierarchy is a Tree... I don't see any interest in answering a

Re: [Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
The main reason for not using lowercase in squeak was Dan extension of number with radix plus exponent. 16r8e7 - 16r8 * (16 raisedTo: 7) and the Float variations... If you decided to abandon this notation, then go with either upper or lower. But a bit of consistency could help... I'm

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Magma 1.0 release 44

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks we will have a look. Note that Installer is not available from ScriptLoader (ScriptLoader is not a public class and nobody should use it) Either use gofer which is the default loader or install installer manually. Stef On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Chris Muller wrote: Hi Ramiro,

Re: [Pharo-project] 16rff broke 16r8e7

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2068 On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: As you may know, with 16rff change, we cannot anymore use a radix notation combined with an exponent notation. At least for base 14, the exponent letter is taken as an ordinary digit.

Re: [Pharo-project] hex

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Nicolas and others I was thinking also about the implication of the 16rFF changes on 16r8e7 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2068 I would really like to take the time to think and discuss it as a community to see what we want to do. What is the current situation

[Pharo-project] About changes and so on: Authorize - at any position in binary selectors (like VW 7.7)

2010-02-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
After the lengthly discussion about the fact that Smalltalk implementation is a balkan region (cf what Pharo/squeak do not parse 16rFF) Authorize - at any position in binary selectors (like VW 7.7) See http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3616 Address the problem of compiling 1...@-2 with

Re: [Pharo-project] Source code management - my vision. (Was: Re: Why apackage management system)

2010-02-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
Few more words. Deltas/packages. All we need for Delta is to identify the starting point (an image state, from where you started changing it). In contrast to DeltaStreams model, where it tries to capture both an 'old' and 'new' state, so it can be reverted, we don't need it anymore, since we can

Re: [Pharo-project] About changes and so on: Authorize - at any position in binary selectors (like VW 7.7)

2010-02-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 24 February 2010 09:25, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: After the lengthly discussion about the fact that Smalltalk implementation is a balkan region (cf what Pharo/squeak do not parse 16rFF) Authorize - at any position in binary selectors (like VW 7.7) See