Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I do not know. ;) I need time and concentration to give aware feedback Stef On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Stef, Do you have any interest in my alternate protocol idea? In short, #next is misleading even on VW. When I learned that, I pretty much gave up on a

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
On Oct 8, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Alexander Lazarević wrote: 2010/10/7 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de: Dont know why this specific subclass was removed since other subclasses of AppRegistry are still in the image (like MailSender, SoundService, ...)

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Alexander Lazarević wrote: 2010/10/7 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de: Dont know why this specific subclass was removed since other subclasses of AppRegistry are still in the image (like MailSender, SoundService, ...) Was it by accident or if not what is the

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
exactly probably adding a nice class comment could help a lot. Stef On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Alexander Lazarević wrote: 2010/10/7 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de: Dont know why this specific subclass was removed since other

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Alexander Lazarević
2010/10/8 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: The nice thing is: we can put things back, easily. I think it's better to remove and put back than to never change anything because someone might need it. True. I guess there is no benefit other than for backwards compatibility to keep

[Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi, can you reproduce this? - take PharoCore-1.2-12172.image - update it to 12186 - click Save and quit - open the image again - click Quit - the image hangs the image #12172 works well -- Pavel ___ Pharo-project mailing list

[Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Hi all, I made a new version 1.3 of ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser available that is working in Pharo 1.2 again. It integrates ExternalWebBrowser-laza.113 (thanks to Alexander Lazarevic) which fixes the problem by checking if WebBrowser is available and only register if it is there.

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, can you reproduce this? - take PharoCore-1.2-12172.image - update it to 12186 - click Save and quit - open the image again - click Quit - the image hangs the image #12172 works well Hmm... works here (using an old mac vm

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hmm, this is the result for Linux and cogvm 3.9-7 and pharovm 3.10-3 -- Pavel 2010/10/8 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi, can you reproduce this? - take PharoCore-1.2-12172.image - update it to 12186 - click Save and quit -

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hmm, this is the result for Linux and cogvm 3.9-7 and pharovm 3.10-3 can you try: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27589/PharoCore-1.2-12186.zip -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team

[Pharo-project] Seaside and KomHttpServer in Pharo 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Hi Dale, again I typically use my MetaSource application to see if one can bootstrap a full seaside app in Pharo using Metacello: -- Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetaSource'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMetaSource';

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi Marcus, is that really all what happened between 12172 and 12186? update12186 Issue 3071: fixing timestamp tests Issue 3068: Non portable SmalltalkImageplatformName deprecationWarning Issue 3063: removing explain Issue 3039: There should not be any configuration on Core It doesn't explain

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi Marcus, is that really all what happened between 12172 and 12186? update12186 Issue 3071: fixing timestamp tests Issue 3068: Non portable SmalltalkImageplatformName deprecationWarning Issue 3063: removing explain Issue 3039:

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
tx On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: Hi all, I made a new version 1.3 of ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser available that is working in Pharo 1.2 again. It integrates ExternalWebBrowser-laza.113 (thanks to Alexander Lazarevic) which fixes the problem by checking if

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
igor could you have a look? Stef On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Lazarević wrote: This is reproducible for me if I do: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser) load

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Hi Marcus, is that really all what happened between 12172 and 12186? update12186 Issue 3071: fixing timestamp tests Issue 3068: Non portable

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 07 Oct 2010, at 21:41, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Yes, every time I must warn and apologize because I'm guilty of hijacking the name. [] Thank you Nicolas, for the elaborate explanation (I should have checked the wiki on SS first myself). With your latest updates, everything loads and

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Do you have access to anything that will dump the callstacks for all processes? One of my first encounters with the Squeak update streams was trying to provide patches to the dump code... Similar features appeared years later, I suspect unrelated to my efforts. What I did was hack the VM

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside and KomHttpServer in Pharo 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Torsten, What do you do to test your newly converted Seaside apps? Have you automated it, or is just a matter of trying everything yourself? Bill From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Adrian Lienhard
You can attach gdb to the VM and then call printAllStacks(). HTH, Adrian On Oct 8, 2010, at 14:07 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: Do you have access to anything that will dump the callstacks for all processes? One of my first encounters with the Squeak update streams was trying to provide

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside and KomHttpServer in Pharo 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Guillermo Polito
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dale, again I typically use my MetaSource application to see if one can bootstrap a full seaside app in Pharo using Metacello: -- Gofer new

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
That's good to know. It probably should be a lot easier than that. At least in the Windows vm, there is/was a debug menu (part of the vm's system menu) that would dump the stack for the active process; I hacked it to dump all of them rather than just one, fixed printAllStacks() along the way,

[Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
hi! When I press cmd-t in an ob browser in the class category pane, I get a window titled Selected Command. I would expect executing the test of the class category. I tried to find out where the Selected Command command is defined with: OBCommand allSubclasses select: [:c | c new keystroke =

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
Update, this has been fixed half a year ago :-) Lukas On 8 October 2010 14:58, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: hi! When I press cmd-t in an ob browser in the class category pane, I get a window titled Selected Command. I would expect executing the test of the class category.

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I did a ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser project lastVersion load Apparently ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser is not maintained... Cheers, Alexandre On 8 Oct 2010, at 09:03, Lukas Renggli wrote: Update, this has been fixed half a year ago :-) Lukas On 8 October 2010 14:58, Alexandre Bergel

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Marcus Denker wrote: On Oct 8, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Alexander Lazarević wrote: 2010/10/7 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de: Dont know why this specific subclass was removed since other subclasses of AppRegistry are still in the

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
I don't know, I do not maintain them. I just realize that people often report bugs that have been fixed a long time ago. I suggest that you always load the latest code using the following script: Refactoring Gofer new squeaksource: 'rb'; package: 'AST-Core'; package:

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
The problem is that with gofer only this is tedious to maintain multiple versions of something. Can somebody take care of the ConfigurationOfOB? Stef I don't know, I do not maintain them. I just realize that people often report bugs that have been fixed a long time ago. I suggest that

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
OB and RB evolve in tiny steps. Each commit is a stable version in itself. Each commit improves or fixes a tiny little bit of the stable core library. I consider it safe to always load the latest versions. For exactly that reason the experimental hard-core changes are in a different repository

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.frwrote: The problem is that with gofer only this is tedious to maintain multiple versions of something. Can somebody take care of the ConfigurationOfOB? I do as much as my time let me. I even updated several confs.

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ok, thanks Alexandre On 8 Oct 2010, at 09:22, Lukas Renggli wrote: I don't know, I do not maintain them. I just realize that people often report bugs that have been fixed a long time ago. I suggest that you always load the latest code using the following script: Refactoring Gofer

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: That's good to know. It probably should be a lot easier than that. At least in the Windows vm, there is/was a debug menu (part of the vm's system menu) that would dump the stack for the active process; I hacked it to dump all of them rather than

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
Example: (ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser project version: '1.2-baseline') load I know, but I don't remember. It is far too complicated. Why not ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser project l...@*%$latestcode ? Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

[Pharo-project] Seaside and KomHttpServer in Pharo 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Torsten Bergmann
What do you do to test your newly converted Seaside apps? Have you automated it, or is just a matter of trying everything yourself? Since the app itself is in it's current state not very usefull there are no tests as you may expect to test the app itself (beside a few unit tests) Mainly I test

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
Anyway, for me this is not complicated. It is just one rule: if you don't define a version, Metacello will take the last one Since you read the Metacello tutorial I guess, you know a baseline should not define versions. Thus, if you try to load a baseline, it will have no version defined.

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 8 October 2010 03:14, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: Nicolas, the design of your version lacks composability. Also, i seriously think that read and write streams should not be married under same class. This could be a

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
I recalled one detail: VW Xtreams are composable from the beginning, its a core stream feature. Not like ours, which require wrappers, which i added (and thus a lot of clutter on proxying message sends). :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Levente, This was several years ago in the Windows VM. I recall both shouting at the rain with no echo at the time, and years later seeing something very close to what I had done. At the time, printAllStacks() existed (which was why I had a prayer of succeeding), but produced a very jumbled

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Marcus Denker
It's part of the class creation template. The only useful aspect of its existence was that you got a warning if you forgot to change the name of the subclass in the template. - It was part of a test package. Test packages only contain tests and artefacts used *by tests*. - The class has

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/10/8 Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com: This is reproducible for me if I do: Gofer new  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';  package: 'ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser';  load.  (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser) load Find the error log attached. During load

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
On 8 October 2010 15:56, Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu wrote: ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser project l...@*%$latestcode better in my opinion: ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser loadLastVersion I think the indirection through project to preserve backwards compatibility and to avoid generating lots

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/10/8 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com: Hi Marcus, is that really all what happened between 12172 and 12186? update12186 Issue 3071: fixing timestamp tests Issue 3068: Non portable SmalltalkImageplatformName deprecationWarning Issue 3063: removing explain Issue 3039: There

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Miguel Cobá
El vie, 08-10-2010 a las 15:22 +0200, Lukas Renggli escribió: I don't know, I do not maintain them. I just realize that people often report bugs that have been fixed a long time ago. I suggest that you always load the latest code using the following script: Refactoring Gofer new

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
better in my opinion: ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser loadLastVersion I think the indirection through project to preserve backwards compatibility and to avoid generating lots of boilerplate in the configuration classes is worth it. Could be, even though I do not immediately see if this implies

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Miguel Cobá
El vie, 08-10-2010 a las 09:56 -0400, Alexandre Bergel escribió: ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser project l...@*%$latestcode better in my opinion: ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser loadLastVersion As a metathough, I think we need a unification of how Configuration are defined and used. We have

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
also, it 'hangs' because InputEventSensorshutdown runs before MCMethodDefinitionshutdown So, you can't interrupt it with alt-. , because nobody handles it anymore. On 8 October 2010 18:06, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com: Hi Marcus,

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2010/10/8 Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com: This is reproducible for me if I do: Gofer new  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';  package: 'ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser';  load.  (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser) load Find

Re: [Pharo-project] WebBrowser

2010-10-08 Thread Miguel Cobá
El vie, 08-10-2010 a las 09:06 +0200, Marcus Denker escribió: The nice thing is: we can put things back, easily. I think it's better to remove and put back than to never change anything because someone might need it. + 100 -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Lukas Renggli
Yeah, I agree, there is definitely a need for Metacello. I suggest to make it easier to use, faster and more lightweight. Currently it is more the opposite. I propose something along Gofer, but for Metacello (I believe somebody already did something like this?): 1. loading the latest stable

Re: [Pharo-project] UUID and Cog?

2010-10-08 Thread David T. Lewis
Moving to vm-dev list for follow up related to the UUIDPlugin. On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:37:00AM +0200, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, David T. Lewis wrote: unrelated discussion of Cog configurations snipped As far as I know, there have been no reports of libuuid failures on the

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
There is a long thread in the metacello mailing list where those topics are being discussed and Dale is right now working in the new code to support them. So if you want to be heard please propose those guidelines there so they are taken in account. Yep, I know the value of a mailing list for

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Alexander Lazarević
2010/10/8 Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu: On un*x you can send SIGUSR1 to the process of the VM to make it print all stacks. IIRC Cog uses this signal for another purpose, so it doesn't work with Cog. I think it's like that: On a vanilla/standard unix vm SIGUSR1 just terminates the vm. With a

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Alexander Lazarević
.. or you have a very recent OSProcessPlugin and activate SIGUSR1 2010/10/8 Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com: 2010/10/8 Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu: On un*x you can send SIGUSR1 to the process of the VM to make it print all stacks. IIRC Cog uses this signal for another purpose, so it

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/10/8 Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2010/10/8 Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com: This is reproducible for me if I do: Gofer new  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';  package: 'ConfigurationOfExternalWebBrowser';  load.  (Smalltalk at:

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
4. loading should not require to additional infrastructure to be loaded into a Pharo image (I imagine a server that has all configurations preloaded and that returns Gofer scripts that can be executed in the target image) Let's be imaginative. I want the server to return an image segment

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, To me this discussion again raises the point of what I call the default case for development :). Lukas, the simplest thing that you can do at this moment is to introduce a default version (see those in the ConfigurationOfGlamour/Mondrian/Moose...). This is nothing but your order of

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree, there is definitely a need for Metacello. I suggest to make it easier to use, faster and more lightweight. Currently it is more the opposite. I propose something along Gofer, but for Metacello (I believe

Re: [Pharo-project] UUID and Cog?

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, David T. Lewis wrote: Moving to vm-dev list for follow up related to the UUIDPlugin. On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:37:00AM +0200, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, David T. Lewis wrote: unrelated discussion of Cog configurations snipped As far as I know, there

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2010/10/8 Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: 2010/10/8 Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com: This is reproducible for me if I do: Gofer new  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';  package:

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Alexander Lazarević wrote: 2010/10/8 Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu: On un*x you can send SIGUSR1 to the process of the VM to make it print all stacks. IIRC Cog uses this signal for another purpose, so it doesn't work with Cog. I think it's like that: On a vanilla/standard

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside and KomHttpServer in Pharo 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Dale Henrichs
Hi Torsten, I have started on the update process for the Seaside configs. I got hung up for a day or two, since recent changes to Grease for Pharo1.1 compat broke Seaside3.0 on Pharo1.0... I will get back on the horse next week and finish up new revs for the Seaside configs Thanks for the

Re: [Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder

2010-10-08 Thread Alain Plantec
Le 08/10/2010 14:37, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez a écrit : Hi, I would like to know if i am the only one having the indentation problem when using bitmap fonts. The Torch dashboard makes use of small and big DejaVu Sans fonts. For configuring it the fonts folder is needed (that now is

Re: [Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder

2010-10-08 Thread Alain Plantec
Maybe you can make it work with TT fonts. In order to install them, open the Settings browser then Under Appearance/Standard Fonts, click on the Launch button of Update font from system and then choose another font. Cheers Alain Le 08/10/2010 18:40, Alain Plantec a écrit : Le 08/10/2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Alexander Lazarević
Igor, maybe this just passed me by, but is this supposed to work only with some finalization support in the vm? So is PharoCore1.2 only usable with a very recent vm? Which VMMaker version is needed or what does your squeak -version say? In that case I did not say a word! ;) Alex 2010/10/8 Igor

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 8 October 2010 19:54, Alexander Lazarević l...@blobworks.com wrote: Igor, maybe this just passed me by, but is this supposed to work only with some finalization support in the vm? So is PharoCore1.2 only usable with a very recent vm? Which VMMaker version is needed or what does your

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 10/08/2010 08:25 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: Yeah, I agree, there is definitely a need for Metacello. I suggest to make it easier to use, faster and more lightweight. Currently it is more the opposite. I propose something along Gofer, but for Metacello (I believe somebody already did something

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com: Hi Marcus, is that really all what happened between 12172 and 12186? update12186 Issue 3071: fixing timestamp tests Issue 3068: Non portable

Re: [Pharo-project] Cmd-t in OB?

2010-10-08 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 10/08/2010 08:26 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: There is a long thread in the metacello mailing list where those topics are being discussed and Dale is right now working in the new code to support them. So if you want to be heard please propose those guidelines there so they are taken in

Re: [Pharo-project] 12186 image quit problem

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
2010/10/8 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com: Hi Marcus, is that really all

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2010/10/8 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be: On 07 Oct 2010, at 21:41, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Yes, every time I must warn and apologize because I'm guilty of hijacking the name. [] Thank you Nicolas, for the elaborate explanation (I should have checked the wiki on SS first

Re: [Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
alain may be we should that as comments in one of the class of the package. On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Alain Plantec wrote: Le 08/10/2010 14:37, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez a écrit : Hi, I would like to know if i am the only one having the indentation problem when using bitmap fonts.

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread mkobetic
I saw this thread on the pharo list and figured that a bit of feedback from Michael and myself might be helpful. Please, forgive the cross-posting, this concerns both dialects and I'd like to make this discussion visible on the VW side as well. First of all, let me thank everyone for the

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2010/10/8 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: I recalled one detail: VW Xtreams are composable from the beginning, its a core stream feature. Not like ours, which require wrappers, which i added (and thus a lot of clutter on proxying message sends). :) I still fail to see the difference.

[Pharo-project] Error: subscript is out of bounds: 2

2010-10-08 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Hi all, When I evaluate Compiler compile: '|' in an old version like PharoCore1.1ALPHA #11106 brings a Syntax Error window with the message |Argument name expected - Now in Pharo1.2a #12186 or Pharo1.1rc2 #11400 I get a Debugger with the message Error: subscript is out of bounds: 2. This

[Pharo-project] [ANN] New Reef page and Tutorial available

2010-10-08 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, As I promised at ESUG 2010, I created a page to keep Reef information and documentation... You can see it here: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/Reef Also, I began to write a tutorial for Reef, the first part is here:

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] New Reef page and Tutorial available

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Cool we want more :) Yes :) May be after we could turn that into a chapter for the book. Stef Hi, As I promised at ESUG 2010, I created a page to keep Reef information and documentation... You can see it here: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/Reef Also, I began to write a

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Hi Martin, Michael. thanks for this feedback, that's usefull. 2010/10/8 mkobe...@gmail.com: I saw this thread on the pharo list and figured that a bit of feedback from Michael and myself might be helpful. Please, forgive the cross-posting, this concerns both dialects and I'd like to make

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 8 October 2010 23:13, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: I recalled one detail: VW Xtreams are composable from the beginning, its a core stream feature. Not like ours, which require wrappers, which i added (and thus a lot

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2010/10/8 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 8 October 2010 23:13, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: I recalled one detail: VW Xtreams are composable from the beginning, its a core stream feature. Not like ours, which

[Pharo-project] #hasBindingThatBeginsWith:, Shout, E/OCompletion (fwd)

2010-10-08 Thread Levente Uzonyi
I accidentally sent this to the pharo-users list... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:14:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu To: squeak-...@lists.squeakfoundation.org, pharo-us...@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: #hasBindingThatBeginsWith:, Shout,

Re: [Pharo-project] [vwnc] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Resent, reply to all... 2010/10/9 Michael Lucas-Smith michael.lucassm...@gmail.com: Hehe, I've got the feeling to surf on your hard work with low investment ;) Xtream ideas should definitly continue to attract. J'espère que la mayonnaise va prendre. Of course the best option is to share.

Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)

2010-10-08 Thread mkobetic
Nicolas Celliernicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: More example than the site http://code.google.com/p/xtreams/ ? If so, I'm interested. Not more, but different. For example I'm quite fond of the Morse code decoding example: ('. ... ..- --. -... .- .-. -.-. . .-.. --- -. .-

Re: [Pharo-project] #hasBindingThatBeginsWith:, Shout, E/OCompletion (fwd)

2010-10-08 Thread Miguel Cobá
El vie, 08-10-2010 a las 23:48 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribió: I accidentally sent this to the pharo-users list... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:14:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu To: squeak-...@lists.squeakfoundation.org,

Re: [Pharo-project] MicroSqueak [was System Tracer]

2010-10-08 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi All, I'm please to let you know that John Maloney has published his MicroSqueak code on his website under the MIT license. http://web.media.mit.edu/~jmaloney/microsqueak/ http://web.media.mit.edu/~jmaloney/microsqueak/Apologies for the premature posting. We can get down to business now.

Re: [Pharo-project] Strange code replacement when prompting unknown selector

2010-10-08 Thread Guillermo Polito
The problem seems to be between *TextEditorcorrectFrom:to:with:* and * ParsersubstituteWord:wordInterval:offset:* The TextEditor isn't using well the selection offset to calculate the replacement, and the parser is sending an interval that's not the one that the Editor must replace. I think the

Re: [Pharo-project] bad bracket autocompletion in Pharo Core 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Guillermo Polito
Here is the piece of code that's behaving weird TextEditordispatchOn: ... ... char := aKeyboardEvent keyCharacter. openers := '([{'. closers := ')]}'. ( closers includes: char) ifTrue: [ self blinkPrevParen: char ]. result := self normalCharacter: aKeyboardEvent.

Re: [Pharo-project] #hasBindingThatBeginsWith:, Shout, E/OCompletion (fwd)

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks levente The second solution looks good to me. Stef On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:48 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: I accidentally sent this to the pharo-users list... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:14:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu To:

Re: [Pharo-project] MicroSqueak [was System Tracer]

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks. In fact, the steps described are similar to a lot of other solutions but this is always interesting to be able to compare. For example how to deal with nil, true false since after a bootstrap they should be instances of the new kernel classes. Stef Hi All, I'm please to let you

Re: [Pharo-project] Strange code replacement when prompting unknown selector

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
This sounds correct. Did you check how this is done in Cuis? Stef On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:31 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: The problem seems to be between TextEditorcorrectFrom:to:with: and ParsersubstituteWord:wordInterval:offset: The TextEditor isn't using well the selection offset to

Re: [Pharo-project] bad bracket autocompletion in Pharo Core 1.2

2010-10-08 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
- first having no bug - second make it better Stef On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: Here is the piece of code that's behaving weird TextEditordispatchOn: ... ... char := aKeyboardEvent keyCharacter. openers := '([{'. closers := ')]}'. ( closers