Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: Remarks: - group changed by categories: Morphic/Polymorph, Tools, Under the hood, ... - Mocketry is not included in Pharo 1.2 Thanks for the feedback, I applied your suggestions. And uploaded a newer version. More comments ? Sven

[Pharo-project] Issue 3961 in pharo: Fix order of worlmenu

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Status: FixToInclude Owner: marcus.d...@gmail.com Labels: Milestone-1.3 New issue 3961 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Fix order of worlmenu http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3961 ... System was wrong Attachments: fixMenu.1.cs 3.1 KB

[Pharo-project] Issue 3962 in pharo: More cleanup of PasteUpMorph

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Status: FixProposed Owner: marcus.d...@gmail.com Labels: Milestone-1.3 New issue 3962 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: More cleanup of PasteUpMorph http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3962 ... related to World-In-World support and general dead code Attachments: CleanPasteUpM.1.cs

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Weak enhancements in Pharo

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 5 April 2011 06:30, Miguel Cobá miguel.c...@gmail.com wrote: What is the status of the Weak enhancements that were applied to Squeak 4.2 (by Levente and Igor, mainly) and were targeted for inclusion in Pharo? Is there a list of them somewhere? which ones are integrated and which ones are

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there an easy why to know this? cheers mariano On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: Remarks: - group changed by categories:

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there an easy why to know this? Yeah, it would be cool to add some statistics, like N fixes or commits, R issues solved, reduced the core complexity from X classes and

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:19, laurent laffont wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: Remarks: - group changed by categories: Morphic/Polymorph, Tools, Under the hood, ... - Mocketry is not

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there an easy why to know this? The bug tracker can be queried for issues of a certain tag: 57 for Full:

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.bewrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there an easy why to know this? Yeah, it would be cool to add some statistics, like N

[Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really interested in being able to see the scripts that Hudson uses for its own usage. For example, how does Hudson run all the tests from code (not using the TestRunner) ? and how does he write that in the correct output that

Re: [Pharo-project] ci.pharo-project.org redirect should be changed?

2011-04-05 Thread Adrian Lienhard
I changed it. Adrian On Apr 5, 2011, at 07:01 , laurent laffont wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi... currently ci.pharo-project.org redirects to https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/ but I think it should be

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.bewrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there an easy why to know this? Yeah, it would be cool to add some statistics, like N

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Thanks, Sven That's a great summary! Adrian On Apr 4, 2011, at 23:01 , Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: I have a draft for a release announcement for Pharo 1.2.1 http://homepage.mac.com/svc/Pharo/pharo-1.2.1-release.html [ THIS IS A DRAFT !! - DO NOT YET RELEASE ] Please check this

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.bewrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. Is there

Re: [Pharo-project] ci.pharo-project.org redirect should be changed?

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Thanks Adrian On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch wrote: I changed it. Adrian On Apr 5, 2011, at 07:01 , laurent laffont wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi... currently ci.pharo-project.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Thanks Marcus. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really interested in being able to see the scripts that Hudson uses for its

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

2011-04-05 Thread Lukas Renggli
Actually you can download the script from the workspace, if you are given the permission to see the workspace directory. Lukas On 5 April 2011 10:25, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really interested in being

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:19 19AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: Remarks: - group changed by categories: Morphic/Polymorph, Tools, Under the hood, ... - Mocketry is not included in Pharo 1.2 Thanks for the feedback, I applied your

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
SoI tried with running all tests of a PharoCore 1.3 and I've got this: cog vm with optimization Time to run all tests:116506 cog vm without optimization Time to run all tests:121930 121930 - 116506 5424 ((5424 * 100) / 116506) asFloat --- 4.64220383499 So...in Cog, running all

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 40#2 - NonReentrantWeakMessageSend

2011-04-05 Thread Henrik Johansen
NonReentrantWeakMessageSend does what it says, while the message is being executed, additional evaluations will be discarded. It's used by when:sendOnce:to: protocol from Polymorph events, but unused in the base image. when:send:to:exclusive: is used one place though. It's useful when objects

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 5 April 2011 11:33, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: SoI tried with running all tests of a PharoCore 1.3 and I've got this: cog vm  with optimization Time to run all tests:116506 cog vm  without optimization Time to run all tests:121930 121930 - 116506 5424

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 April 2011 11:33, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: SoI tried with running all tests of a PharoCore 1.3 and I've got this: cog

Re: [Pharo-project] syntax highlighting for (stateful) traits (non-local methods)

2011-04-05 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I remember Fred has lazy initialization of variable. All variables are lazy initialized. This means that variables set to nil when you change the class are lazy initialized. It has been a long time I looked at it. Alexandre On 4 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: In fact he got a

Re: [Pharo-project] Let's get rid of Core vs. Full

2011-04-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
and I wasn't trying to steal marcus... If that's what he proposed, I just didn't understand it the first time... in that case, I say I agree with Marcus :) cheers, Esteban El 04/04/2011, a las 5:22p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió: This is what I understood from what Marcus said, too :)

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
VariableNode initialize. Compiler recompileAll. [ TestCase allSubclasses do: [ :cls| cls isAbstract ifFalse: [cls suite run]]. ] timeToRun 178938 183963 (ParseNode classVarNamed: 'StdSelectors') removeKey: #class ifAbsent: []. Compiler recompileAll. [ TestCase

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13132

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
13132 - - Issue 3953: add #ensureCr to new transcript - fix world menu

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3953 in pharo: add #ensureCr to new transcript

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #2 on issue 3953 by stephane...@gmail.com: add #ensureCr to new transcript http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3953 in 13132

[Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Fernando Olivero
Hi Ben, i was thinking about the discussion of the menus: Since you are using menu pragma builder, and have explicit views for each tool, then the CodeHolder hierarchy is no longer needed. Because the specialized views get the behavior for answering the actions in the menus (which currently is

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I ill have a look when I get a little moment. Stef On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: Remarks: - group changed by categories: Morphic/Polymorph, Tools, Under the hood, ... - Mocketry is not included in Pharo 1.2

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3937 in pharo: Breaking Announcement system

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Duplicate Mergedinto: 3963 Comment #1 on issue 3937 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Breaking Announcement system http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3937 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Camillo Bruni
This is exactly why you have to provide some confidence interval / deviation, otherwise it is hard to make any reasonable conclusion. run it 100 times and take the average and provide the standard deviation. I am not a big fan of relying on incomplete benchmarking results: Please read:

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3963 in pharo: RPackageOrganizer and announcements

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #1 on issue 3963 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: RPackageOrganizer and announcements http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3963 Issue 3937 has been merged into this issue.

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3961 in pharo: Fix order of worlmenu

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #1 on issue 3961 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Fix order of worlmenu http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3961 in 13132

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3942 in pharo: Transcript missing compatibility method ensureCr

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #2 on issue 3942 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Transcript missing compatibility method ensureCr http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3942 in 13132

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2011-04-05, at 15:02, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Better than average, take the median NO! thats why you provide the standard deviation... you should not optimize the results prematurely but provide numbers that let you decide on the quality of the benchmarks. what you can do is optimize for

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3345 in pharo: findBinary: from Cuis as integrated in Squeak

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Duplicate Mergedinto: 3950 Comment #1 on issue 3345 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: findBinary: from Cuis as integrated in Squeak http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3345 Pls Discuss in Issue 3950

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3950 in pharo: SequenceableCollection#findBinary and friends (wrong exceptionBlock, delegation)

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #3 on issue 3950 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: SequenceableCollection#findBinary and friends (wrong exceptionBlock, delegation) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3950 Issue 3345 has been merged into this issue.

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
I don't care :) What i found that measurements confirms my previous expectation: the 'slowdown' of removing #class from set of optimized selectors lies in the range of macro-benchmark deviation. And running all tests for 100 times is not fun (it could take half of the day), and i'm not ready to

[Pharo-project] Issue 3964 in pharo: Enabling double click on PluggableListMorphOfMany

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Status: FixProposed Owner: benjamin...@gmail.com Labels: Nautilus New issue 3964 by benjamin...@gmail.com: Enabling double click on PluggableListMorphOfMany http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3964 Just copy and paste 2 lines ... Attachments:

[Pharo-project] jtalk fun

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
Go to http://jtalk-project.org/ Open development tools - Workspace Evaluate: Tetris new appendToJQuery: 'body' asJQuery play. Laurent.

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2011-04-05, at 15:11, Igor Stasenko wrote: I don't care :) What i found that measurements confirms my previous expectation: the 'slowdown' of removing #class from set of optimized selectors lies in the range of macro-benchmark deviation. And running all tests for 100 times is not fun

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3957 in pharo: MethodWrappers left method after uninstall

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #2 on issue 3957 by lem...@gmail.com: MethodWrappers left method after uninstall http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3957 I think that's ok to follow the lookup, because the inherited selectors are part of the behavior of the class, but i think it's a good idea to have

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3963 in pharo: RPackageOrganizer and announcements

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #2 on issue 3963 by benjamin...@gmail.com: RPackageOrganizer and announcements http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3963 Issue 3937 is about another issue not fixed here ...

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3937 in pharo: Breaking Announcement system

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Accepted Mergedinto: Comment #2 on issue 3937 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Breaking Announcement system http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3937 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3957 in pharo: MethodWrappers left method after uninstall

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Accepted Comment #3 on issue 3957 by marianopeck: MethodWrappers left method after uninstall http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3957 I think that's ok to follow the lookup, because the inherited selectors are part of the behavior of the class, but i

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Guys, Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but what is Nautilus? Squeaksource simply says A new browser Cheers, Alexandre On 5 Apr 2011, at 08:32, Fernando Olivero wrote: Hi Ben, i was thinking about the discussion of the menus: Since you are using menu pragma builder, and have

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Stefan Marr
On 05 Apr 2011, at 15:11, Igor Stasenko wrote: I don't care :) *sigh* then just flip a coin and you have the same amount of insight with less effort. It is always astonishing how few people know about the basics when it comes to empirical experiments. I disagree with Camillo's demand for

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3955 in pharo: Better implementation of the MorphTreeMorph auto select

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #1 on issue 3955 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Better implementation of the MorphTreeMorph auto select http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3955 in 13133

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3956 in pharo: Better implementation of the PluggableListMorphs auto select

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Comment #1 on issue 3956 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Better implementation of the PluggableListMorphs auto select http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3956 in 13133

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13133

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
13133 - Issue 3955: Better implementation of the MorphTreeMorph auto select Issue 3956: Better implementation of the PluggableListMorphs auto select Issue 3964: Enabling double click on PluggableListMorphOfMany Issue 3105: DeepCopier warnIverNotCopiedIn:sel: dependent on

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3964 in pharo: Enabling double click on PluggableListMorphOfMany

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Closed Labels: Milestone-1.3 Comment #1 on issue 3964 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Enabling double click on PluggableListMorphOfMany http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3964 in 13133

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Running the all unit test is probably a better benchmark. Alexandre On 5 Apr 2011, at 07:56, Igor Stasenko wrote: VariableNode initialize. Compiler recompileAll. [ TestCase allSubclasses do: [ :cls| cls isAbstract ifFalse: [cls suite run]]. ] timeToRun 178938

Re: [Pharo-project] syntax highlighting for (stateful) traits (non-local methods)

2011-04-05 Thread Toon Verwaest
Yes, I read those two things too... but it doesn't seem like a giant leap of an improvement :) On 04/05/2011 02:34 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: I remember Fred has lazy initialization of variable. All variables are lazy initialized. This means that variables set to nil when you change the

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Weak enhancements in Pharo

2011-04-05 Thread Miguel Cobá
Ok, thanks. I was reviewing the Magma code (not working yet in Pharo 1.2, sadly) and found several checks for new finalization code before execution some parts of magma. So, as Chris said that Magma 1.2 is the only supported version (no support for old versions), then I thought that I should

[Pharo-project] Issue 3965 in pharo: Turn off Smart Characters in Full Image by default

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Status: Accepted Owner: marcus.d...@gmail.com Labels: Milestone-1.2.2-DevImage New issue 3965 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: Turn off Smart Characters in Full Image by default http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3965 .. because they make it very hard to type for many people

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3965 in pharo: Turn off Smart Characters in Full Image by default

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
I would not do that. This is the expected behavior since ages. And there is a nice way to disable for those who don't like it. I even wrote this once...but seems people don't read the book as much as we would like: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CustomizingPharo/SmartCharactersAutocompletion/

[Pharo-project] A lil simplification of MorphTreeNodeMorph

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
Cut out some code and extra morphs. It speeds up rendering to 60% of original. @Benjamin Please verify if it positioning stuff correctly. Because in my image Settings are now OK. @all I need your feedback to know if it works correctly in other places, where tree morph used. -- Best regards,

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 5 April 2011 16:31, Stefan Marr ph...@stefan-marr.de wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 15:11, Igor Stasenko wrote: I don't care :) *sigh* then just flip a coin and you have the same amount of insight with less effort. It is always astonishing how few people know about the basics when it comes

Re: [Pharo-project] Let's get rid of Core vs. Full

2011-04-05 Thread Tudor Girba
And I did not mean that you were trying to steal anyone's ideas. I just wanted to point out that people might have misunderstood what I understood Marcus said :). Cheers, Doru On 5 Apr 2011, at 13:37, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: and I wasn't trying to steal marcus... If that's what he

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 40#2 - NonReentrantWeakMessageSend

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
Thanks a lot Henrik. Laurent. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: NonReentrantWeakMessageSend does what it says, while the message is being executed, additional evaluations will be discarded. It's used by when:sendOnce:to: protocol from

[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 42 - ExpanderMorphContracted

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
Today: ExpanderMorphContracted Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results:

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
I'm currently translating into french. I do not understand this: Made sure that Smalltalk globals is used instead of Smalltalk Can someone explain ? Laurent On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.frwrote: I ill have a look when I get a little moment. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 40#2 - NonReentrantWeakMessageSend

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
+1 On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:29 PM, laurent laffont wrote: Thanks a lot Henrik. Laurent. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: NonReentrantWeakMessageSend does what it says, while the message is being executed, additional evaluations will

Re: [Pharo-project] A lil simplification of MorphTreeNodeMorph

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
**TX!!** :) It was cool to see you both hacking to speed it up. Stef Cut out some code and extra morphs. It speeds up rendering to 60% of original. @Benjamin Please verify if it positioning stuff correctly. Because in my image Settings are now OK. @all I need your feedback to know if

Re: [Pharo-project] Let's get rid of Core vs. Full

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Hernán Morales Durand wrote: Please someone clarify, are you going to kill the core? Honestly I don't know how people survive with the dev image, I guess you have super fast laptops. But you can unload packages. Not my case, and the Core just run nice in old

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Apr 2011, at 20:41, laurent laffont wrote: I do not understand this: Made sure that Smalltalk globals is used instead of Smalltalk Me neither ;-) Can someone explain ? Maybe this should be rephrased ?

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:41 PM, laurent laffont wrote: I'm currently translating into french. I do not understand this: Made sure that Smalltalk globals is used instead of Smalltalk Better support for the introduction of SmalltalkImage and SystemDictionary separation. Can someone

Re: [Pharo-project] Transcript rant

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Guys I need an update status. Do we keep or not the changes in the system? I will come back to you until we reach a decision :) Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Hi Guys, Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but what is Nautilus? A new browser :) Supporting - groups - package - declarative menus - environment selection - scoped actions - soon

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.frwrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:41 PM, laurent laffont wrote: I'm currently translating into french. I do not understand this: Made sure that Smalltalk globals is used instead of Smalltalk Better support for the

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3960 in pharo: Catch all: Remove experimental + ancient backward compatibility code

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #2 on issue 3960 by stephane...@gmail.com: Catch all: Remove experimental + ancient backward compatibility code http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3960 Lovely. so funny. We could look for broken self flag: I saw some nice ones recently.

[Pharo-project] Actions done in 1.3

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys to help us in the future I started http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ActionsInPharoOneDotThree The list starts to get long... Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:58 PM, laurent laffont wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:41 PM, laurent laffont wrote: I'm currently translating into french. I do not understand this: Made sure that Smalltalk globals

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
OK, the board approved the draft, so here is the 1.2.1 release announcement: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/Pharo/pharo-1.2.1-release.html Adrian will put it on the website, next an official mail should be sent to the mailing lists. Then we should all try to spread the word! Even if it

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Depends at which signal/noise ratio you are ready to drop the signal... Nicolas 2011/4/5 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 5 April 2011 16:31, Stefan Marr ph...@stefan-marr.de wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 15:11, Igor Stasenko wrote: I don't care :) *sigh* then just flip a coin and you have

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks a lot :) I was thinking that we could do a much faster 1.3 release. We could start to freeze it soon and remove RPackage from the list. Stef OK, the board approved the draft, so here is the 1.2.1 release announcement: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/Pharo/pharo-1.2.1-release.html

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Sorry, no time to read by now, so maybe I should better have shut up... Nonetheless, it much depends on services provided by OS. If we only access the wall clock, then there will be noise due to other OS processes... ... but this noise is unlikely following a gaussian with 0 mean, does it ? In

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread laurent laffont
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: OK, the board approved the draft, so here is the 1.2.1 release announcement: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/Pharo/pharo-1.2.1-release.html Adrian will put it on the website, next an official mail should be sent

Re: [Pharo-project] A lil simplification of MorphTreeNodeMorph

2011-04-05 Thread Alain Plantec
Le 05/04/2011 20:08, Igor Stasenko a écrit : Cut out some code and extra morphs. It speeds up rendering to 60% of original. cool thanks for reviewing this code! @Benjamin Please verify if it positioning stuff correctly. Because in my image Settings are now OK. @all I need your feedback to

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Roberts
Hi, how does it relate to glamourost? thanks, Mike On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Hi Guys, Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but what is Nautilus? A new browser :) Supporting    

Re: [Pharo-project] abouth nautilus and the removal of CodeHolder hierarchy

2011-04-05 Thread Alain Plantec
Le 05/04/2011 20:57, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : A new browser :) Supporting - groups - package - declarative menus - environment selection - scoped actions - soon refactoring but right now a bit too slow because of the HUGGEE trees

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
I suggest some corrections at: DEVImageWorkspaces openExternalProjectWorkspace. O2 does not install according to instructions and installing it other ways result in error. Aida has pending dependencies (Swazoo, I guess because Seaside installs Swazoo2) etc. Best regards, CdAB

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Thanks, Sven! I've put the page online - as a blog entry on the news page: http://www.pharo-project.org/news - the release page: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-2-1 (I've slightly edited some of the bullet point items to fit on one line) Thanks Laurent for the translation.

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Thanks, Sven! I've put the page online - as a blog entry on the news page: http://www.pharo-project.org/news - the release page: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-2-1 (I've slightly edited some of the bullet point

Re: [Pharo-project] Actions done in 1.3

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys to help us in the future I started http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ActionsInPharoOneDotThree The list starts to get long... Maybe we should do a 1.3 release soon... -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3831 in pharo: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Updates: Status: Accepted Labels: -Milestone-1.2-DevImage Milestone-1.2.2-DevImage Comment #4 on issue 3831 by marcus.d...@gmail.com: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3831 It magically is there again.

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote: I suggest some corrections at: DEVImageWorkspaces openExternalProjectWorkspace. O2 does not install according to instructions and installing it

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3831 in pharo: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #5 on issue 3831 by marianopeck: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3831 In ConfigurationOfPharo version13beta1: you have: package: 'ImageForDevelopers' with: 'ImageForDevelopers-pharo-MarcusDenker.254';

Re: [Pharo-project] Actions done in 1.3

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Yes!!! totally agree. Now that we release 1.2, I would freeze and release PharoCore 1.3 beta. Update the link to stable pharo to that, and start trying to load the dev tools there. Cheers Mariano On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Adrian Lienhard
ok, I fixed the text. Adrian On Apr 5, 2011, at 22:38 , Marcus Denker wrote: Therefore, this is not correct: Pharo 1.2.1 One-Click is the easiest to get started: it includes all needed components (image, change and source file as well as a fast, compatible Cog VM) in one package that

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3831 in pharo: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2

2011-04-05 Thread pharo
Comment #6 on issue 3831 by marianopeck: 1.2 full image workspace has description on how to load O2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3831 sorry I meant in version12beta2:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Last pending things for Pharo 1.2

2011-04-05 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On Apr 4, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: Sohere is the list of things I guess are pending: In general,

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Last pending things for Pharo 1.2

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: I just gave up and took the image yesterday. Like you did for 1.1: Just build it once, don't care that it is repeatable. Sorry, I didn't understand. The Pharo 1.1 was repeatable (in the same core) since all the Metacello versions

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Last pending things for Pharo 1.2

2011-04-05 Thread Casimiro de Almeida Barreto
Em 05-04-2011 18:05, Mariano Martinez Peck escreveu: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr mailto:marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 4, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi: On 05 Apr 2011, at 21:27, Nicolas Cellier wrote: But you probably have more ellaborated and well thought method :) I think we are talking here mostly about quick and dirty benchmarks to confirm intuitions. The provable best and most cost effective way to do it is: flip a coin (and that

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Marcus Denker
On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Thanks, Sven! I've put the page online - as a blog entry on the news page: http://www.pharo-project.org/news - the release page:

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Haupt
Hi, On 5 April 2011 23:26, Stefan Marr ph...@stefan-marr.de wrote: However, once you got your optimization into the VM your favorite build server should do its thing and that should include performance regression testing which is using a slightly more sophisticated approach than the

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 05 Apr 2011, at 14:53, Camillo Bruni wrote: Please read: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1297033 I would love to read this, but why should I have to pay for this ? Research, especially when it is paid for with public money, should be free for all. Sven

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

2011-04-05 Thread Stefan Marr
On 06 Apr 2011, at 00:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Apr 2011, at 14:53, Camillo Bruni wrote: Please read: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1297033 I would love to read this, but why should I have to pay for this ? Research, especially when it is paid for with public

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

2011-04-05 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I've been grabbing and trying one-click images from Hudson for a while. They have worked on Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04. My sampling is not exhaustive, but the Linux one-clicks seem to work. My current project (hopefully complete) is to eliminate my dependence on some hacks that I added to the vm.

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