Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Stef, We are in the new year now, so the arguments can begin :). Sure ;) First, these seem to be a totally different set of arguments :). That is good. I do not like the magic of the block and arguments There really is

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Wishing all Pharoer's a very warm n happy new year Since last few weeks, I have been experimenting with Pharo as a tablet interface inside a tiny core Linux. The dev though happens on ubuntu. Some more playing around for a group of trainees with pharo on windows 7, platform I do not

Re: [Pharo-project] Morphic queries

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
What is that prevents picking lessons learnt, fixes from cuis into Pharo or is it considered a totally different line altogether. time or money. But we are cleaning Pharo internals and in some place more than cuis, even if Juan did a good job and we are looking at his work. Now Juan

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Krishsmalltalk
What I would like is that you take each of these points and send one mail for each with a detailed description. so that we can answer, turn them into bug entries.. I do intend doing this in a while thru the week ahead. Thx,... For other answers... On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:58 PM,

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Excellent! Stef On Jan 1, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Krishsmalltalk wrote: What I would like is that you take each of these points and send one mail for each with a detailed description. so that we can answer, turn them into bug entries.. I do intend doing this in a while thru the week

Re: [Pharo-project] seaside and pharo (was: glamour and pharo)

2012-01-01 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 31.12.2011 18:58, Lukas Renggli wrote: Let's take this on the Pharo mailing list. I do think that Seaside should be considered for being part of the Pharo infrastructure. At least the Core and the basic HTML rendering (i.e., without JQuery, Magritte and Pier). And I also think your analysis

Re: [Pharo-project] seaside and pharo (was: glamour and pharo)

2012-01-01 Thread Lukas Renggli
So, before dismissing Seaside, perhaps it would be useful to actually look into it. rofl, made by day Can we turn this into a meme? Definitely, http://memegenerator.net/instance/12756821. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
. I find Pharo 1.2 more stable than 1.3 latest... Me too. But it is not the core which is less stable in 1.3, but the dev tools. . Mechanism to autosave a defined package every method commit to a packagename.mcz by default to ease crash recovery, use monticello only when I need to

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Lukas Renggli
. I find Pharo 1.2 more stable than 1.3 latest... Me too. But it is not the core which is less stable in 1.3, but the dev tools. Mariano, this is a logic puzzle for you: http://memegenerator.net/instance/12757355 Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Re: [Pharo-project] seaside and pharo (was: glamour and pharo)

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi philippe I need a dictionary to read your emails :) What is a meme? Stef rofl, made by day Can we turn this into a meme?

Re: [Pharo-project] Happy new year..

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
You look like you are having fun lukas. You made me laugh and I wish you a good year. This year I decided that I will more zen and not only related to pharo but to life in general. I have the best position I can dream of as researcher, so I will say no to a lot of things and I will have fun

Re: [Pharo-project] seaside and pharo (was: glamour and pharo)

2012-01-01 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 01.01.2012 17:07, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi philippe I need a dictionary to read your emails :) What is a meme? An idea virus [1]. You probably know several Internet memes [2] like lolcats or Yo dawg. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme [2]

Re: [Pharo-project] seaside and pharo (was: glamour and pharo)

2012-01-01 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ah ah! Excellent!! Alexandre Le 1 janv. 2012 à 11:55, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com a écrit : So, before dismissing Seaside, perhaps it would be useful to actually look into it. rofl, made by day Can we turn this into a meme? Definitely, http://memegenerator.net/instance/12756821.

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Stephan Eggermont
There are a number of separate problems here, I think. Mixing them up makes the situation a bit complex. I'll try separating them here. At what abstraction level should the basic tools be build. From my point of view, Glamour provides the right level. It is very easy to build browsers and it is

[Pharo-project] Image input sensors blocked

2012-01-01 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi guys, There is opportunity for someone of you to finally catch this bug! My image is blocked again, but Aida is still working and my backdoor too :) So, I can run any code on image. 'Sensor startUp' didn't help, what can yet try? Last action was OSProcess related, can this be a problem, some

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I agree that people should load what they want on top of a nice little core. But, most people will load exactly the same thing: one set of development tools that should do the basic work nicely. This was the point of the Pharo distribution. And it shipped with OB and it was great. Only OB

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Lukas Renggli
But, most people will load exactly the same thing: one set of development tools that should do the basic work nicely. This was the point of the Pharo distribution. And it shipped with OB and it was great. OB was never part of PharoCore, it was part of a distribution (PharoDev) that

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Lukas, Please read my mails :). I was talking about Pharo distribution which in your language means Pharo Dev. I never argued for Pharo Core. And I also said that the whole misunderstanding stems from the position of the current Pharo image. To me, the current image is a convenience for the

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Lukas Renggli
To you, the current Pharo image is the Pharo Core and you are unhappy that it is too big (for example because RB is there). The size is the least problem. More annoying is that the code quickly gets out of sync and non-changes are added to the history. Both of these problems are already

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Stef, On 1 Jan 2012, at 09:14, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: I do not like the magic of the block and arguments There really is little magic. In fact, it is about the same as the magic of Morphic calling selectors with arguments.

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On 1 Jan 2012, at 23:56, Lukas Renggli wrote: To you, the current Pharo image is the Pharo Core and you are unhappy that it is too big (for example because RB is there). The size is the least problem. More annoying is that the code quickly gets out of sync and non-changes are added

Re: [Pharo-project] string hash collisions?

2012-01-01 Thread Andres Valloud
Part of why those attacks are so easy is that the factor for the multiplicative hash function is very poor (i.e.: 33, 31, etc). There is nothing spectacular about this reasoning, those cool looking factors chosen using the digital (finger) method should have been stamped out a long time ago.

Re: [Pharo-project] Image input sensors blocked

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys, There is opportunity for someone of you to finally catch this bug! My image is blocked again, but Aida is still working and my backdoor too :) So, I can run any code on image. 'Sensor startUp' didn't help, what can yet try? Last action was OSProcess related, can this be a problem,

Re: [Pharo-project] glamour and pharo

2012-01-01 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi, I agree that people should load what they want on top of a nice little core. But, most people will load exactly the same thing: one set of development tools that should do the basic work nicely. This was the point of the Pharo distribution. And it shipped with OB and it was great.