Re: [Pharo-project] who is dfgs?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
So what about to remove VTermInputDriver from the image? And add it in future with working handler. -- Pavel On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.comwrote: haha, so these are commits from the pre-full-name aera. Anyway, dfgs was a student in bern ;), but since I

[Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Hi, If I download the latest VM and image the same way as our CI jobs on Linux: wget --quiet -qO - http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/ciPharo20NBCog.sh | bash then the VM is broken (it opens only black or white widnow). The image works well with different VM version but with the VM downloaded by

[Pharo-project] Setup Locale decimalPoint for Italy

2012-12-14 Thread Dario Trussardi
Hi, i work with Pharo Pharo1.4 Latest update: #14445. i need to setup some based data: Locale decimalPoint primDigitGrouping currencySymbol DateAndTime localTimeZone

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 December 2012 09:35, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, If I download the latest VM and image the same way as our CI jobs on Linux: wget --quiet -qO - http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/ciPharo20NBCog.sh | bash then the VM is broken (it opens only black or white widnow).

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
but the build is broken. Unless you forced the load (two times) for build, you are not using my merge yet :) On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2012 09:35, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, If I download the latest VM and

Re: [Pharo-project] Helping the noobs help out - i.e. fixing the debugger

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi mike last week andrei sat with ben and they got a first sketch of a debugger using spec and the model extracted from the debugger. Then just after jorge visited us and ported/fixed Bifrost in 1.4 and 2.0 so we will also have an object-centric debugger. Stef On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:48 AM,

Re: [Pharo-project] How to load Phoseydon and Neptuno?

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
meta layer on top of openBDX and magritte Stef On Dec 14, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: What are Phoseydon and Neptuno? New kind of browsers? Alexandre On Dec 13, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! which Pharo version are you

Re: [Pharo-project] who is dfgs?

2012-12-14 Thread Camillo Bruni
I know I will use it (though I am not allowed to add more features in 2.0 ;)) so it will be 3.0. Anyways I will add a fully-fledged command-line REPL. so it's up to you, I can add it again anyway On 2012-12-14, at 05:07, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: So what about to remove

[Pharo-project] Thanks BetaNine and Mads for their Pharo consortium participation

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I want to thank BetaNine and Mad-Environment for their support to the Pharo Consortium Thanks for your trust. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 December 2012 12:55, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: but the build is broken. Unless you forced the load (two times) for build, you are not using my merge yet :) ah.. ok then this discrepancy introduced even before On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Igor Stasenko

[Pharo-project] Kernel-Numbers don't reference Locale decimalPoint

2012-12-14 Thread Dario Trussardi
Ciao, i'm working for manage some write - read data ( MANumberDescription / MAScaledDecimalDescription/ SIXX interchange data ) about Number and is subclass. I see some codes into Kernel-Numbers and i found it don't reference the Locale

[Pharo-project] Favorite New Features

2012-12-14 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Hey guys, what are your favorite features added in 2.0? Please answer at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ActionsInPharo20 There are so many improvements, I've definitely lost track. I remember there were some really useful shortcuts cami or ben showed me, something like cmd-click to browse

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Chris Muller
I'm tired of talking about this but I just can't let this go.. I don't know if its just romantic, starry-eyed mountain climbers or intentional false-propaganda but... confusion reigns here! :) This example is bunk. Sean chose a method in ZipDirectoryMember written by Ned Konz in 2002 which,

Re: [Pharo-project] Kernel-Numbers don't reference Locale decimalPoint

2012-12-14 Thread Dario Trussardi
Ciao, i'm working for manage some write - read data ( MANumberDescription / MAScaledDecimalDescription/ SIXX interchange data ) about Number and is subclass. I see some codes into Kernel-Numbers and i found it don't reference the

Re: [Pharo-project] who is dfgs?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
And are we allowed to remove features? ;-) On the other hand, we may look at it as fix of an umimplemented call. But we can let it there because I doubt we will be able to remove all unimplemented calls in 2.0 - even in the Pharo Kernel. -- Pavel On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Camillo Bruni

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: i killled the VM with SIGUSR signal and here the stack: Process 0x77ccf2cc priority 40 0xbff5517c I [] in Delaywait 2035889428: a(n) Delay 0xbff551a4 I BlockClosureifCurtailed: 203589: a(n) BlockClosure 0xbff551c8

Re: [Pharo-project] Kernel-Numbers don't reference Locale decimalPoint

2012-12-14 Thread Nicolas Cellier
SqNumberParser is for Smalltalk syntax, so it must not be localized, but ExtendedNumberParser could eventually be. I would suggest creating a LocalizedNumberParser. Otherwise, I have http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/NumberPrinter to print decimal float and fractions with some support for variations

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 December 2012 19:03, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: i killled the VM with SIGUSR signal and here the stack: Process 0x77ccf2cc priority 40 0xbff5517c I [] in Delaywait 2035889428: a(n) Delay

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2012 19:03, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: i killled the VM with SIGUSR signal and here the stack:

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 December 2012 19:33, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2012 19:03, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com

Re: [Pharo-project] NBCog broken on 64bit Linux?

2012-12-14 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2012 19:33, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 December 2012 19:03, Pavel Krivanek

[Pharo-project] NB Types and C Types

2012-12-14 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Hello, In my app using NB and have a few questions on types. In one function I have an size_t *arg for an argument. Is NBUInt64 proper for this argument? I also have a DATE which uses OLE Automation date format which is described as: IO2GRequestFactory.fillMarketDataSnapshotRequestTime An

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Chris Muller-3 wrote I don't know if its just romantic, starry-eyed mountain climbers or intentional false-propaganda Or both! ;) Chris Muller-3 wrote This example is bunk Well, you're partly right - the clean version is not due totally to FS. You'd be more right if human beings were

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

2012-12-14 Thread Lawson English
On 12/13/12 1:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 13 December 2012 09:54, dimitris chloupis theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I was ready to disagree , but you do make a valid point. Also going down the pharo route you dont offer games only a better language but also a development enviroment and that is

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

2012-12-14 Thread Frank Shearar
On 14 December 2012 20:26, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net wrote: On 12/13/12 1:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 13 December 2012 09:54, dimitris chloupis theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I was ready to disagree , but you do make a valid point. Also going down the pharo route you dont offer games

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

2012-12-14 Thread Clément Bera
Several months ago I made a prototype of a small game in amber. (To play my prototype, download it, run index.html and click Multiplayerbeta fight. The source is here : https://github.com/clementbera/easnoth:. It uses Jquery.getJSON() so it might not work on some web browsers/computers) I asked

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:55, Chris Muller asquea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm tired of talking about this but I just can't let this go.. I don't know if its just romantic, starry-eyed mountain climbers or intentional false-propaganda but... confusion reigns here! :) This example is bunk.

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread H. Hirzel
On 12/14/12, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Chris Muller-3 wrote I don't know if its just romantic, starry-eyed mountain climbers or intentional false-propaganda Or both! ;) Chris Muller-3 wrote This example is bunk Well, you're partly right - the clean version is not due

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread H. Hirzel
On 12/14/12, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:55, Chris Muller asquea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm tired of talking about this but I just can't let this go.. I don't know if its just romantic, starry-eyed mountain climbers or intentional false-propaganda but...

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Chris Muller
- the consensus is that FileSystem is a nice API - the consensus is that FileDirectory is/was ugly Hence, you echo my original statement from the other thread. I wrote: ... While someone in the Pharo community said FileSystem over FileDirectory is huge, I see it as an incremental API

Re: [Pharo-project] Is the plugin JoystickTabletPlugin of the CogVM package working?

2012-12-14 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi Carla, On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Carla F. Griggio carla.grig...@gmail.comwrote: Hello! Does anybody know if the JoystickTabletPlugin is actually working for Pharo? I'm trying to use it with CogVM with no success :( I see in InputEventHandler that there is support for pen tablets

Re: [Pharo-project] Is the plugin JoystickTabletPlugin of the CogVM package working?

2012-12-14 Thread Carla Griggio
Hi Eliot! I'm using MacOsX Mountain Lion (10.8.2) . I also tried it in Lion (10.7.5). I used Pharo 2.0 (and also Pharo 1.4) with the latest Cog from ci.pharo-project.org. El 14/12/2012, a las 23:52, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Carla, On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
Chris, in discussions about compatibility , people always missing to mention one little thing: users can always choose to not upgrade their projects and keep using older releases. Now, don't you think that it would be strange if new release of system will function exactly as old one, so users can

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

2012-12-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 December 2012 21:26, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net wrote: On 12/13/12 1:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 13 December 2012 09:54, dimitris chloupis theki...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I was ready to disagree , but you do make a valid point. Also going down the pharo route you dont offer games

Re: [Pharo-project] Favorite New Features

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I will probably spend a couple of hours to check what we did. But frankly this is so boring and dull that I'm not sure I will do it. Stef On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Hey guys, what are your favorite features added in 2.0? Please answer at

Re: [Pharo-project] who is dfgs?

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
we should remove it or fix it. No kitchen sink in Pharo please. Stef On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: And are we allowed to remove features? ;-) On the other hand, we may look at it as fix of an umimplemented call. But we can let it there because I doubt we will be able

Re: [Pharo-project] About (backwards) Compatibility

2012-12-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Chris Could you give us a break pleaseee? We are spending all our energy to build a better system that other people can use to make a living. May be we should just create a system for having fun in our teams? Because at the end of the day we just need to produce ideas and some prototypes