Re: [Pharo-project] [Help-smalltalk] Fun with Pharo generated source.st

2013-05-05 Thread Frank Shearar
On 5 May 2013 09:54, Paolo Bonzini bonz...@gnu.org wrote: Il 04/05/2013 18:51, Holger Hans Peter Freyther ha scritto: Hi, I am trying to convert/import all of Iliad (since the development had moved to Pharo) and I stumble up-on an issue I already had when I tried to convert Aida. This[1]

Re: [Pharo-project] How to Debug :D

2013-05-04 Thread Frank Shearar
So use a trampoline. Then you can define your recursion naturally, in constant stack space. frank On 04 May 2013, at 16:08, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: I understand why he wants that :) no stack explosion… Stef On May 4, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Clément Bera

Re: [Pharo-project] How to Debug :D

2013-05-04 Thread Frank Shearar
.) The trampoline thus turns the recursive algorithm into an iteration. frank On 4 May 2013 17:42, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: can you explain? Because I read something like that olong time ago and I forgot On May 4, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Pharo-project] How to Debug :D

2013-05-04 Thread Frank Shearar
the recursive call.) The trampoline thus turns the recursive algorithm into an iteration. frank On 4 May 2013 17:42, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: can you explain? Because I read something like that olong time ago and I forgot On May 4, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Shearar
What's global? Even if you haven't implemented scoped environments, rather use a name that doesn't imply that you'll never have scoped environments. #asClass sounds better, except for Guillermo's point about well-known things that aren't classes. frank On 2 May 2013 09:31, Nicolas Cellier

Re: [Pharo-project] How i can retrieve the global by its name?

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Shearar
On 2 May 2013 15:37, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 02 May 2013, at 06:03, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all do not think that i am drunk or vent crazy, asking such silly question, which at best should be asked only by beginner :) I

[Pharo-project] Printing TraitCompositions (was Re: How i can retrieve the global by its name?)

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Shearar
On 2 May 2013 17:40, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote: #bindedXXX and #boundXXX sounds pretty static to me... It's like it was already binded. And maybe in the back it is dynamically looked up. Maybe a more abstract name can fit better: #resolveToClass ? #lookupClass ? Also

Re: [Pharo-project] RE : cannot modify class comments on Linux

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Shearar
Right. That would make the .changes file shorter than expected! frank On 26 April 2013 09:27, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: The reason is in the optimalizations in the latest glibc. It really does not write the new content to the changes file immediately. We need to call flush

[Pharo-project] Issue tracker subscription?

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Shearar
Hi, Would some kind soul add me to the Pharo issue tracker? Thanks! frank

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue tracker subscription?

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Shearar
. frank On 2013-04-26, at 10:49, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Would some kind soul add me to the Pharo issue tracker? Thanks! frank

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue tracker subscription?

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Shearar
I'd prefer frank.shea...@gmail.com. On 26 April 2013 10:51, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: apparently you're already registered with fr...@angband.za.org. which address do you want? On 2013-04-26, at 11:45, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2013 10:32

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue tracker subscription?

2013-04-26 Thread Frank Shearar
Thanks Camillo! frank On 26 April 2013 11:06, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer frank.shea...@gmail.com. On 26 April 2013 10:51, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: apparently you're already registered with fr...@angband.za.org. which address do you want

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: collectionsum:

2013-04-22 Thread Frank Shearar
Sum is usually well-defined, so I don't understand what the block's for. With the block it's more like take this collection, map the values with some function, and sum the result. If so, it sounds like you're looking for a sugared form of (myCollection collect: aBlock) inject: self first class

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: collectionsum:

2013-04-22 Thread Frank Shearar
: and #sum:from: Sven On 22 Apr 2013, at 12:29, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Sum is usually well-defined, so I don't understand what the block's for. With the block it's more like take this collection, map the values with some function, and sum the result. If so, it sounds like you're

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-22 Thread Frank Shearar
I've added https://code.google.com/p/xtreams/issues/detail?id=2, so interested people please reply there. Thanks! On 18 April 2013 18:35, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin, I recently ported some of the VW fixes to Squeak, but with a fully manual mode: -

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Roassal new algorithms

2013-04-20 Thread Frank Shearar
it in Pharo Alexandre On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: I've played with these before [1]. They work best with hierarchical names. In other words, in a flat namespace (say, showing class dependencies with just the class name) you end up

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

2013-04-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 April 2013 09:55, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-04-19, at 10:36, Diego Lont diego.l...@delware.nl wrote: Hi all, I just want to add another thought to the convention discussion. In my work process I have two different activities when deploying new code:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Roassal new algorithms

2013-04-19 Thread Frank Shearar
: This is a very cool visualization. There is no reason why we cannot do it in Pharo Alexandre On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: I've played with these before [1]. They work best with hierarchical names. In other words, in a flat namespace (say

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Roassal new algorithms

2013-04-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 April 2013 20:39, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 April 2013 21:33, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Oh absolutely! My comment comes from trying to analyse the dependencies between classes in my SIP stack [1]. What I found was that simply mapping dependencies

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 01:42, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote We are really interested by Xtreams for replacing Pharo Streams. Now we should evaluate again Xtreams. IIRC at ESUG the version on squeaksource is not up to date with the VW version, which is why we

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 10:42, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 01:42, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote We are really interested by Xtreams for replacing Pharo Streams. Now we should evaluate again Xtreams. IIRC at ESUG the version

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 15:14, mkobe...@gmail.com wrote: As Jan mentioned, in https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams I'm primarily just experimenting with Cypress. However the master branch there is misleading, it contains a very early port of Xtreams to ST/X (there's a much more up to date version

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 17:47, Dale Henrichs dhenr...@vmware.com wrote: - Original Message - | From: Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com | To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:19:57 PM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

Re: [Pharo-project] How to get the AST Node for a Context

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 20:35, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 19:17, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, typical refactoring process. Code is convoluted and hard to

Re: [Pharo-project] Argument names created by Debugger

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 21:15, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: I tweaked the code because in my most common case, I don't care that it's e.g. aByteString, but only that it's aString: (argument isKindOf: String) ifTrue: [ ^ 'aString' ]. (argument isKindOf: Collection)

Re: [Pharo-project] Argument names created by Debugger

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 21:17, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2013 21:15, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: I tweaked the code because in my most common case, I don't care that it's e.g. aByteString, but only that it's aString: (argument isKindOf: String

Re: [Pharo-project] Argument names created by Debugger

2013-04-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 April 2013 22:19, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Igor Stasenko wrote Indeed... To the hell these case statements. It should be one-liner: ^ argument class canonicalArgumentName +1 I was thinking the same thing... it started as a one-line hack for ByteString and... well,

[Pharo-project] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-17 Thread Frank Shearar
Xtreams depends on FileDirectory in at least three places, all in the Xtreams-Terminals package. (Three messages on FileUrl, #appending, #reading, #writing; two tests in XTFileReadingWritingTest #setUp and #tearDown) Pharo 2.0 has no FileDirectory. So it seems like the easiest (not necessarily

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence

2013-04-17 Thread Frank Shearar
On 17 April 2013 20:14, Colin Putney co...@wiresong.com wrote: On 2013-04-17, at 7:57 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Xtreams depends on FileDirectory in at least three places, all in the Xtreams-Terminals package. (Three messages on FileUrl, #appending, #reading, #writing

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

2013-04-16 Thread Frank Shearar
On 16 April 2013 09:53, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Hi, While working with Diego on some configurations, we noticed two different styles of describing the latest non-baseline versions. In one, the versionString version of a dependency is used. That is a defensive strategy,

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

2013-04-16 Thread Frank Shearar
On 16 April 2013 15:11, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Frank wrote: I'd argue that since you're declaring that a certain set of versions of packages work together, you should _always_ use explicit versions. The optimistic strategy leaves you vulnerable to third parties making seemingly

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello configuration conventions

2013-04-16 Thread Frank Shearar
over versions pays off. Your users can know the precise things they need to run your software. frank Stef Regards, Christophe. Le 16 avr. 2013 à 11:02, Frank Shearar a écrit : On 16 April 2013 09:53, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Hi, While working with Diego on some

Re: [Pharo-project] WhatsUp from: 2013-04-15 until: 2013-04-30

2013-04-15 Thread Frank Shearar
On 15 April 2013 14:44, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 15/04/2013 15:30, stephane ducasse a écrit : Porting SmaCC on 2.0 nice. If you need an integration server. Writing configurations for AltBrowser and Jejak. nice too Started looking at Marpa

Re: [Pharo-project] WhatsUp from: 2013-04-15 until: 2013-04-30

2013-04-15 Thread Frank Shearar
On 15 April 2013 15:15, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 15/04/2013 15:57, Frank Shearar a écrit : On 15 April 2013 14:44, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 15/04/2013 15:30, stephane ducasse a écrit : Porting SmaCC on 2.0 nice. If you need

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Re: [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)

2013-04-09 Thread Frank Shearar
a quick subclass and a spec UI. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com So if you don't mind me being very loose with terminology, you interpret (RB) ASTs, and the act of interpreting marks the nodes in these ASTs, which you can then use to colour source? frank On 6 April 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] Package the be removed: Network-URI

2013-04-09 Thread Frank Shearar
Then let's ignore the ugliness of the past. I'd be happy with that. Ignore the ugliness of the past also means don't make vague accusations against mysterious forces. Either explain, in the cold light of day, who did what and why they must not be allowed to exert such negative influence again,

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] Package the be removed: Network-URI

2013-04-08 Thread Frank Shearar
On 8 April 2013 09:52, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: Hi, There are right now three models of Urls in the system - Network-Url - Network-URI - ZnUrl The URI implementation was contributed by Impara to Squeak 3.9. Back then the plan was to first add it

Re: [Pharo-project] [3.0] Package the be removed: Network-URI

2013-04-08 Thread Frank Shearar
On 8 April 2013 11:35, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly then due to politics I don't understand to this day, Impara was forced to stop contributing to Squeak and URI never was put into use. I don't

Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)

2013-04-06 Thread Frank Shearar
On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Clement built in a couple of hours the following nice branch analysecoverage tools :) It is dead slow but cool. By branch coverage tool do you mean Jejak? frank

Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] Branch test coverage analysis tool for Pharo 3.0 :)

2013-04-06 Thread Frank Shearar
level feature), whereas I record for each ast node if it was interpreted or not (which is ast level feature). I guess there would be a little difference in the use cases. 2013/4/6 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com On 6 April 2013 07:47, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote

Re: [Pharo-project] The ultimate SmalltalkHub migration script

2013-04-03 Thread Frank Shearar
On 3 April 2013 10:03, Damien Cassou damien.cas...@gmail.com wrote: I've just used the following scripts to copy many of Lukas' repositories to SmalltalkHub. Is this a fork, or is the SmalltalkHub the new canonical repository for all things Lukas? frank

Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks

2013-03-28 Thread Frank Shearar
You mean in the sense of the conflict of interest that Wikipedians love to throw around? (Ron Teitelbaum had to deal with lots of pain when writing up Andreas' page.) frank On 28 March 2013 12:21, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: I could but I do not want people bash me if I

Re: [Pharo-project] Request write access to PharoInbox

2013-03-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 March 2013 20:41, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, can someone give me write access to PharoInbox? Me too, please. frank Nicolas Cellier

[Pharo-project] Penelope the Monkey is wrong about email address validity

2013-03-27 Thread Frank Shearar
Am I the only one to use an email address containing a . ? Penelope doesn't recognise frank.shea...@gmail.com as a valid address, which is unfortunate. I've registered with an old email address in the meantime, but we'll want to flag this up as a problem with someone. frank

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phratch: Scratch on Pharo2.0

2013-03-24 Thread Frank Shearar
On 24 March 2013 19:56, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pharoers, I am porting Scratch and BYOB on Pharo 2.0. The name of the project is Phratch. To begin, I took Scat (a port of Scratch on Pharo1.3) and modify it to make it work on Pharo 2.0. For that I integrated

Re: [Pharo-project] one-click is dead, now we have platform specific builds

2013-03-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 March 2013 10:45, Craig Latta cr...@netjam.org wrote: Hi Esteban-- windows and linux users (specially newcomers) where having bad reaction with the structure that the one-click enforces. I'm interested in the details. Are they documented somewhere, or can you enumerate here?

Re: [Pharo-project] Running tests on 2.0 and first impression

2013-03-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 March 2013 11:56, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Marcus Denker-4 wrote How to not require a name when a tests does something that needs it? When running tests on the build server it sets a name before and removes it later, but I don't think that the test runner should do

Re: [Pharo-project] Running tests on 2.0 and first impression

2013-03-20 Thread Frank Shearar
Hi Stef, Publishing diffs to the mailing list certainly works great for Squeak. Squeak's commit rate is rather less than Pharo's, so it might be too much... but the easiest way to find that out is just switching the diff publishing on and seeing how people feel. frank On 20 March 2013 20:40,

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 3

2013-03-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 March 2013 10:24, Camille Teruel camille.ter...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Since a picture worth a thousand words, here is a summary of the next actions for Pharo 3: Thanks, Camille! It's nice to see how the bits are laid out. I see there are coloured dots - green, yellow, red

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 3

2013-03-18 Thread Frank Shearar
On 18 March 2013 10:45, Camille Teruel camille.ter...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 mars 2013, at 11:42, Frank Shearar wrote: On 18 March 2013 10:24, Camille Teruel camille.ter...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Since a picture worth a thousand words, here is a summary of the next actions

Re: [Pharo-project] SSL plugin

2013-03-18 Thread Frank Shearar
). frank Esteban On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Just so I can keep track of commonality between Squeak and Pharo, the SSL plugin - is that Andreas' SqueakSSL plugin? frank

Re: [Pharo-project] SSL plugin

2013-03-18 Thread Frank Shearar
use OpenSSL, for example.) frank Marcus Esteban On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Just so I can keep track of commonality between Squeak and Pharo, the SSL plugin - is that Andreas' SqueakSSL plugin? frank

Re: [Pharo-project] SSL plugin

2013-03-18 Thread Frank Shearar
, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: ye, well... that... I didn't remember :) but yes, camillo and me spent couple of days rewriting the plugin to use same library in all platforms (we did the same with the file plugin, btw). On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample official repository?

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
On 14 March 2013 13:22, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi: On 13 Mar 2013, at 15:38, Frank Shearar wrote: Cool, thanks Stefan. I only found out about the confusion of repositories after I sent you Phexample-fbs.64 - did it pass all tests on Pharo 1.4? If so, and you're OK

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger-driven development (was Re: WhatsUp from: 2013-03-11 until: 2013-03-24)

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
Hi Stephane, That's a great idea. I need to get some other stuff done first, but it's only a small amount of code. frank On 14 March 2013 15:49, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Hi Frank Since you are present in the Pharo mailing-list, may be you want to send the code to get

Re: [Pharo-project] triggering jenkins when committing to smalltalkhub

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
On 14 March 2013 20:34, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: nope there isn't :/ We use active polling on the mcz list, cranking it up to every minute gives an almost accurate approximation of a trigger hook :P Webhooks as a feature request for SmalltalkHub? Then you could use

[Pharo-project] Monticello cross-repository confusion?

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
I had a bit of an unusual state where I had an mcz in my Pharo 2.0 package-cache and another mcz with the same name version in another directory repo, squeak-package-cache. A bit like if you were hacking on your release process in git and had to repeatedly git reset --soft HEAD^ to adjust your

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample official repository?

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
On 14 March 2013 13:53, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi: On 14 Mar 2013, at 14:47, Frank Shearar wrote: Sorry, I should have replied here too: I rebased my fix (loosening the requirement on the error message) and pushed Phexample-fbs.69. It works on Pharo 1.4 and Squeak 4.5

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello cross-repository confusion?

2013-03-14 Thread Frank Shearar
On 14 March 2013 22:22, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-14, at 22:59, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: I had a bit of an unusual state where I had an mcz in my Pharo 2.0 package-cache and another mcz with the same name version in another directory repo

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample official repository?

2013-03-13 Thread Frank Shearar
://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Phexample/Phexample On 2013-03-12, at 22:41, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Phexample/Phexample says that the official repository is on www.squeaksource.com, but contains more recent commits than the SS one. And there's also

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger-driven development (was Re: WhatsUp from: 2013-03-11 until: 2013-03-24)

2013-03-13 Thread Frank Shearar
On 13 March 2013 12:36, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Frank wrote: I'd love to hear more about your presentation. I've been thinking how to run a kind've live-coding demonstration at work, showing how a Smalltalk debugger is so clearly superior to what other folk have. It is

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample official repository?

2013-03-13 Thread Frank Shearar
On 13 March 2013 14:25, Stefan Marr smallt...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi Frank: On 13 Mar 2013, at 12:23, Frank Shearar wrote: Ah, cool. Would some kind soul update the various repositories to say that Phexample/Phexample is the official repository? I changed it. (http://smalltalkhub.com

Re: [Pharo-project] where to report vm crashes? (while running Moose tests)

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Shearar
Also, it looks like the Pharo VM uses only external plugins? The Squeak VM has a bunch of those plugins, but as internal ones. That's probably most of the difference Phil's asking about. frank On 12 March 2013 09:57, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: We use an automated building

Re: [Pharo-project] where to report vm crashes? (while running Moose tests)

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Shearar
On 12 March 2013 10:43, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: The Utilities thing is just used to display a progress dialog inform:during:, so that's easy. Also String asText form for Display can be solved with a blank form. I am now stuck on getting a 6504 image format. What are you

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Shearar
On 12 March 2013 02:41, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 22:06, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 19:00, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 19:06, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 17:54, Igor

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Shearar
On 12 March 2013 17:46, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2013 13:05, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2013 02:41, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 22:06, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 19:00, Igor

Re: [Pharo-project] where to report vm crashes? (while running Moose tests)

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Shearar
On 12 March 2013 18:55, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: Thanks a lot all to all of you for that valuable information. BTW, there is no pure PharoInterpreterVM available anywhere. And the InterpeterVM Frank mentioned is only available in Unix, not in OSX. (this for learning with

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 02:19, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Igor Stasenko wrote what would be really cool to have is to integrate some steroids into diff viewer where guy B can press create a review report and write his comments directly under selected change .. then post it

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 13:34, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 09:09, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 02:19, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Igor Stasenko wrote what would be really cool to have is to integrate some steroids

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 16:28, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/11 stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: Every time I see smalltalkers forking away from established mainstream solutions/practices I hear a big noise inside my head. On the opposite, whenever I see stuff

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 16:39, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Do you know when monticello was invented? and working for real? Around 2004-2005 as far as I remember. And working for real at that very moment, I guess. Why? because pay attention when you talk about smalltalker

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 17:54, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: pff... really people... i am thinking how to streamline our existing development process.. and instead i hear once again about git. Camillo needs to hit you around the head with a command line. You haven't used it. You've heard

Re: [Pharo-project] Code review tools?

2013-03-11 Thread Frank Shearar
On 11 March 2013 19:00, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 19:06, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2013 17:54, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: pff... really people... i am thinking how to streamline our existing development process

Re: [Pharo-project] VM Crashes

2013-03-08 Thread Frank Shearar
On 8 March 2013 11:44, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sven, One of the problems we currently have is that all method installation execute a becomeForward:, which is of course not terrible cleaver... I tried using the squeak implementation of it and everything looks working

Re: [Pharo-project] test job

2013-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 February 2013 11:56, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: I made a multidimensional matrix test job running each VM twice https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-2.0-Tests/ maybe a slight overkill for now,

Re: [Pharo-project] Kind of Stuff I would like to change in 3.0

2013-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 February 2013 15:46, Noury Bouraqadi bouraq...@gmail.com wrote: TestCasecleanUpInstanceVariables self class allInstVarNames do: [ :name | name = 'testSelector' ifFalse: [ self instVarNamed: name put: nil ] ] What is it that you find wrong

Re: [Pharo-project] Test Resources

2013-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 February 2013 17:37, Noury Bouraqadi bouraq...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Jannik and I are having trouble dealing with resources in our robotic project. It's strange that resources are reset on every test run. This happens when resources are declared in test class method resources. My

Re: [Pharo-project] Kind of Stuff I would like to change in 3.0

2013-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
put a constant in a method. How can I provide a different set of IVs? No way of doing it except rewriting the whole method, which is dirty. On 28 févr. 2013, at 18:52, Frank Shearar wrote: On 28 February 2013 15:46, Noury Bouraqadi bouraq...@gmail.com wrote: TestCasecleanUpInstanceVariables

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-27 Thread Frank Shearar
On 27 February 2013 07:51, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: On Feb 26

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-27 Thread Frank Shearar
On 27 February 2013 08:26, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2013 07:51, Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/26 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: If you count the number of packages in SmalltalkHub and compare them to the ones in

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 19:06, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Frank, 2013/2/26 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com: On 26 February 2013 18:33, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: But it is true that GitHub is to SmalltakHub what npm/gem is to...? No. GitHub

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we cannot do anything. ;) so we should define configurationOf and we will take real advantages of them. Now if you read the vision document you

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:55, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Oh, did you mean to type you had no idea IF the package would load? and work. OK, sure, but that's not really SM's fault, that's just the way things were. Nowadays with CI and all sorts of stuff we're (Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 20:48, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/26 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com: On 26 February 2013 20:07, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: There is no magic if as a programmer we do not define the dependencies we cannot do anything

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 21:26, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: If you want to use SqueakMap go ahead. I have been there and now I know what I want for Pharo. Hi frank I never know what you mean when you say things like this. What is it that you want for Pharo? I wrote a 40

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] ZTimestamp[Precise]SNTPClient

2013-02-26 Thread Frank Shearar
On 26 February 2013 22:15, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Frank if you want me to continue to interact with you on this topic (which I hope) :) you will have to read the document :) Read it it takes 10 min on this point and you will see what we are starting to do. I

Re: [Pharo-project] new build slaves

2013-02-25 Thread Frank Shearar
On 25 February 2013 15:15, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: - fedora - debian - windows xp now onto changing the VM-tests to run on all these platforms :) Do you use real machines, or are you using, say, vagrant to set up various VirtualBox machines, or what? frank

Re: [Pharo-project] new build slaves

2013-02-25 Thread Frank Shearar
but should be ready in a month or two). On 2013-02-25, at 16:25, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 February 2013 15:15, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: - fedora - debian - windows xp now onto changing the VM-tests to run on all these platforms :) Do you use real

Re: [Pharo-project] new build slaves

2013-02-25 Thread Frank Shearar
On 25 February 2013 15:51, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-25, at 16:49, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: As in a stack in the cloud or as in Apache's CloudStack (http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/)? Yes, inria has its own CloudStack setup for the CI

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] code coverage

2013-02-21 Thread Frank Shearar
On 21 February 2013 19:52, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, anyone have any bytecode-to-bytecode transformation tools for doing basic-block resolution coverage? Is it possible that Jejak [1] might vaguely fit this bill? It's a tracing tool, but maybe one could hack

Re: [Pharo-project] subStrings: suggestion

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 Feb 2013, at 0:49, Chris Cunningham cunningham...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: snip It is indeed strange behavior, but I think we inherited that from squeak. No, Squeak has (since 2005) had still another behaviour

Re: [Pharo-project] subStrings: suggestion

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 February 2013 08:38, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-20, at 09:26, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 Feb 2013, at 0:49, Chris Cunningham cunningham...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello issues on Pharo 2.0

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 February 2013 18:17, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Hi christophe We should clear up this issue. Did you make progress on that front? The answer of dale are not really giving my hope. I do not want to base all our infrastructure on a tool that we do not know if it

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello issues on Pharo 2.0

2013-02-20 Thread Frank Shearar
On 20 February 2013 19:53, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Metacello is perfectly well maintained, and runs on a number of Smalltalks. I do not know. If Dale did not had a look since this summer this is 8 months ago. I have no problem that this would happen. I just want to

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample should methods

2013-02-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 Feb 2013, at 7:59, Adrian Kuhn ak...@iam.unibe.ch wrote: On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Stefan Marr wrote: That gives rise to example-driven testing ala: Foo #barShouldBeSomething So far, I tried to avoid that, and make examples that are really focused on one specific subject,

Re: [Pharo-project] Phexample should methods

2013-02-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 February 2013 07:59, Adrian Kuhn ak...@iam.unibe.ch wrote: On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Stefan Marr wrote: That gives rise to example-driven testing ala: Foo #barShouldBeSomething So far, I tried to avoid that, and make examples that are really focused on one specific subject,

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello and SS3 discrepancy in Pharo 2.0

2013-02-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 February 2013 20:51, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: Got this thing biting me while testing the relase: I added a project of mine from the ss3.gemstone.com system and the Monticello registration over there says: MCHttpRepository location:

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello and SS3 discrepancy in Pharo 2.0

2013-02-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 February 2013 22:18, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: Responses in the text below. 2013/2/19 Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com: On 19 February 2013 20:51, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: Got this thing biting me while testing the relase: I added a project

Re: [Pharo-project] subStrings: suggestion

2013-02-19 Thread Frank Shearar
On 19 February 2013 22:52, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-19, at 18:41, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/19 Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com: On 2013-02-19, at 17:15, James Foster smallt...@jgfoster.net wrote: On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:32 AM,

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