Great. I guess this is what happens if one misses too many ESUGs :).
Thanks,
Doru
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Dale Henrichs dhenr...@vmware.com wrote:
- Original Message -
| From: Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Monday,
On 01.10.2012 22:01, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
No it was quite ok :)
Working at home, good music, view on my garden, flower and butterfly.
Stef
Sounds like a Halloween trailer.
Everything is peaceful and idyllic, then; JSON!
;)
Cheers,
Henry
:)
- Original Message -
| From: Henrik Sperre Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 1:10:11 AM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Another sad day] a nice example of the mess
with json in FileTree
|
| On 01.10.2012
No it was quite ok :)
Working at home, good music, view on my garden, flower and butterfly.
Stef
Sounds like a Halloween trailer.
Everything is peaceful and idyllic, then; JSON!
yes totally scary, orange and black, and screaming :)
The parser should be named Voorhees.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
No it was quite ok :)
Working at home, good music, view on my garden, flower and butterfly.
Stef
Sounds like a Halloween trailer.
Everything is peaceful and idyllic,
Hi guys
I was browsing (at least trying) to have a look at mist
https://github.com/martinmcclure/mist/commit/b3103bd30be11dd8063aa9ce212a368c66f73e9a
and this is so nice to see json code in the middle of Smalltalk methods. Look
for class definitions there are
great. Yes it will help
Good evening Stephan,
please calm down. http://mist-project.org/ looks like an interesting project.
Actually thank you for the pointer.
XML is not crap. JSON neither. You always talk about red pills and
stuff :-)
And the last time in May this year we had a lively discussion about
JSON you
On 01 Oct 2012, at 19:44, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
please calm down. http://mist-project.org/ looks like an interesting project.
Actually thank you for the pointer.
It sounds interesting, but there are other we will start over from scratch
Smalltalk implementations that did
Hannes wrote:
Some people however do not mind to do mappings from one data format to
another.
That is right, and I prefer to keep my meditation separate from my programming.
Stephan Eggermont
For me it was clear that JSON is bad, from many different sides.
I don't like that in order to load this code, my image will need JSON parser.
But Stephane, its easy to say what you don't like and more difficult
to provide a plausible alternative.
GemStone lacks own parser, and this was (as i
On 1 October 2012 18:54, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 01 Oct 2012, at 19:44, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
please calm down. http://mist-project.org/ looks like an interesting project.
Actually thank you for the pointer.
It sounds interesting, but there are other
Let's have a look, UUH it's a fucking BIKE SHED!
On 2012-10-01, at 20:28, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
For me it was clear that JSON is bad, from many different sides.
I don't like that in order to load this code, my image will need JSON parser.
But Stephane, its easy to say what
oh, and i forgot the most important thing:
classes should also have a stamp, i.e. author and date (and perhaps mood ;).
Because it feels strange to me, that each method has stamp, even class
comments has stamp,
but not the classes.
What if my sole change is adding/removing variable(s) or changing
Oh, nailed in one.
I was going to add less snarkily that there are two options: (a) get a
real syntax for Smalltalk or (b) version things at the method level.
Since the first rule of open source is Code or GTFO, I just use
FileTree and thank Dale that I don't have to write something.
But either
It's all done for you anyway, in the git commit. Who changed what
when, it's all done.
frank
On 1 October 2012 19:42, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
oh, and i forgot the most important thing:
classes should also have a stamp, i.e. author and date (and perhaps mood ;).
Because it
how much did you contribute to this project igor?
It's open-source, so stop complaning, start implementing!
On 2012-10-01, at 20:42, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
oh, and i forgot the most important thing:
classes should also have a stamp, i.e. author and date (and perhaps mood
Stef,
I forgot to share with you that at this last ESUG we (Jan Vrany, Martin Kobetic
and myself) agreed that the next version of Filetree will use .ston files
instead of .json files. I am planning on writing a blog post on
this...eventually.
The Smalltalk/X implementation (Jan Vrany) is
Just a note that may be of interest.
I moved off Git and into Fossil. Check it out, it may actually be easier
for us to work with since everything lives in a single Sqlite database. No
more files everywhere. The author of Fossil is the author of Sqlite.
The whole Tcl/Tk source moved into that as
On 1 October 2012 20:44, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote:
how much did you contribute to this project igor?
It's open-source, so stop complaning, start implementing!
Why you taking my mere proposal (or feature request) as a complaint?
I dont have energy enough for participating in
On 01 Oct 2012, at 20:28, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
(If someone interested, lately we invented a smalltalk object
literals which allow you to store any object into a textual file(s)
using plain smalltalk array literal syntax, and read them back, but
for this, of course, you
On 01 Oct 2012, at 20:28, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
(If someone interested, lately we invented a smalltalk object
literals which allow you to store any object into a textual file(s)
using plain smalltalk array literal syntax, and read them back, but
for this, of course, you
Sorry I should not have sent this mail.
I'm silly.
Stef
On Oct 1, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I was browsing (at least trying) to have a look at mist
https://github.com/martinmcclure/mist/commit/b3103bd30be11dd8063aa9ce212a368c66f73e9a
and this is so nice
Don't say that camillo because this is the ultimate argument against
communication.
Stef
On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote:
how much did you contribute to this project igor?
It's open-source, so stop complaning, start implementing!
On 2012-10-01, at 20:42, Igor Stasenko
On 1 October 2012 21:11, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 01 Oct 2012, at 20:28, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
(If someone interested, lately we invented a smalltalk object
literals which allow you to store any object into a textual file(s)
using plain smalltalk array
On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
Stef,
I forgot to share with you that at this last ESUG we (Jan Vrany, Martin
Kobetic and myself) agreed that the next version of Filetree will use .ston
files instead of .json files. I am planning on writing a blog post on
Am 01.10.2012 um 21:29 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr:
Don't say that camillo because this is the ultimate argument against
communication.
Uh? Come on, Steph. That is something you can read frequently on the mailing
list. This times just the roles have switched. So
Hi,
Göran Krampe wrote a blog post about Smalltalk alternatives for JSON:
[1]
http://goran.krampe.se/2012/05/08/literal-arrays-vs-json-vs-ston-vs-tirade/
Jan.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 01 Oct 2012, at 20:28, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com
Well, looks like a passionate person having had a bad day to me.
Nothing to fret about, right?
2012/10/1 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
Sorry I should not have sent this mail.
I'm silly.
Stef
On Oct 1, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
I was browsing (at
On 1 October 2012 20:44, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote:
It's all done for you anyway, in the git commit. Who changed what
when, it's all done.
right, but same applies to methods. so why storing method's stamps but
not classes?
either you consistently do all the turtles way down,
On 1 October 2012 20:48, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 October 2012 20:44, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote:
It's all done for you anyway, in the git commit. Who changed what
when, it's all done.
right, but same applies to methods. so why storing method's stamps but
Don't say that camillo because this is the ultimate argument against
communication.
Uh? Come on, Steph. That is something you can read frequently on the mailing
list. This times just the roles have switched. So please be fair.
Did you see me saying no feedback?
Or only if you do you
No it was quite ok :)
Working at home, good music, view on my garden, flower and butterfly.
Stef
Well, looks like a passionate person having had a bad day to me.
Nothing to fret about, right?
2012/10/1 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
Sorry I should not have sent this mail.
Yes our meta model could be improved.
May be
foo
author: StephaneDucasse
time:
and the Browser could hide them
but this is not great
Stef
It's all done for you anyway, in the git commit. Who changed what
when, it's all done.
right, but same applies to methods. so why
The methodProperties.json file is a stopgap until we have proper integration
with git...it will eventually go away...
Dale
- Original Message -
| From: Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 12:55:50 PM
| Subject:
Hi,
I like the project, but I second the concerns of Stef. But, as I
understand, there seems to be consensus in this regard.
One thing I still do not quite understand why we keep on having
version information inside the structural information. Why is it not
enough to let it only be the
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| From: Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com
| To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
| Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 1:22:41 PM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Another sad day] a nice example of the mess
with json in FileTree
|
| Hi,
|
| I like the project, but I
On 10/1/12, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote:
Just a note that may be of interest.
I moved off Git and into Fossil. Check it out, it may actually be easier
for us to work with since everything lives in a single Sqlite database. No
more files everywhere. The author of Fossil is the
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