Re: Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-30 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Yes I like it too. This is why I want to invest on it. On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:27 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: I like the Installer. Its a simple tool to break your work onto multiple stages/packages. It is very useful for making automatic builds. No manual image hacking - instead you have to fix

Re: Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-30 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Keith could you make sure that the tests can run when we load the installer and its tests? I do not know what is the classcloner... Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-29 Thread Marcus Denker
So fixes are not integrated into the image anymore and the report then closed? When a release image is released the fixes are integrated into the image as normal, and can be closed or marked fixed. Release image? that means, you will not close *any* bug-report until you release 3.11?

Re: Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-29 Thread Keith Hodges
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: We will see at the end what was the better Idea ;-) Good challenge :) I will integrate a bit more etoys now. Stef Not a challenge I am taking up, I have a ball joint to replace on my car, and no time to input into this at the moment. Keith

Re: Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-29 Thread Keith Hodges
Release image? that means, you will not close *any* bug-report until you release 3.11? Wow. But you sure close at least duplicated bug-reports? Wow what? The release will know which bug fixes are included and provide a list of fixes which can be closed, when the release is actually ready and

Re: Installer was: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-29 Thread Igor Stasenko
I like the Installer. Its a simple tool to break your work onto multiple stages/packages. It is very useful for making automatic builds. No manual image hacking - instead you have to fix the scripts or packages. This will guarantee that every time you will load the same code as before, w/o losing

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread bryce
Damien Cassou writes: Polymorph is going to be included in all Pharo images so you don't have to worry. RB as been in all my images from the beginning and will continue to be. I think I will stop generating web images for Pharo because we want only one image for Pharo. I will try to find a

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread Damien Cassou
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damien Cassou writes: Polymorph is going to be included in all Pharo images so you don't have to worry. RB as been in all my images from the beginning and will continue to be. I think I will stop generating web images for Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread Keith Hodges
100% agree. This is why I'm saying that we want to integrate extensions or reject them. If it doesn't meet those criteria, I don't consider it safe to even experiment with. However, if the base system doesnt support loading and unloading of things in the first place, its a bit unfair to

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread Marcus Denker
On 28.09.2008, at 19:01, Keith Hodges wrote: Now, the code may work perfectly fine, and Keith's done a lot of work, but it's just not community friendly code. A package should have a clear responsibility, few dependencies, not too many extensions, no overrides if at all possible, and

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread Keith Hodges
considering that mantis now has 1000 open entries... Marcus ?? The difference being, that we dont create a mantis entry so that it can languish unused. We use mantis as a vessel for holding snippets of code and collecting feedback. Installer collects a list of fixes applied, and

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-28 Thread Keith Hodges
Marcus Denker wrote: On 28.09.2008, at 22:16, Keith Hodges wrote: considering that mantis now has 1000 open entries... Marcus ?? The difference being, that we dont create a mantis entry so that it can languish unused. We use mantis as a vessel for holding snippets of code and

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-27 Thread Bill Schwab
Damien, Stef, I _think_ what I would want for a starting point is something like Damien's web image, followed by a script that gets the latest of a few things, specific versions of others, and then loads a bunch of .cs or other files for my code. Damien, I suspect you put a lot of work into

RE: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-26 Thread Ramon Leon
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Lukas Renggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem I see with Sake/Packages is that these tools depend on a lot of other packages, that I don't necessarily want to have loaded in my images: Logging, Rio, Installer, Sake, Packages ... I guess one

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse

2008-09-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
My objection, the big ball of mud called Kernel-Extensions and the liberal use of overrides, which I think are evil. I like using packages that do their best to only use extensions and don't just go around the system willy nilly monkey patching everything. I don't trust packages with