Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-13 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
One of the goal of Spec is to be portable. But sadly, I am not an engineer working full time of Spec. Right now I have priorities which slow down Spec improvements. Yes and these priorities are important for you and for us as well. We want you to have great grades! Now we will see and

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-13 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: Pavel, since i am potential user of Spec, i would like to know more details. I know it takes more time to explain what exactly you don't like and propose better alternative, instead of just generic i don't like it. Well,

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Pavel do you know VW spec, it is an array of symbol and spec is the same. We should change the api at some point. The point is that you do not code it by hand but that tools generate them. Now we are not to the point where a tools can generate them. But for us the OB is not the way to go

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Igor wrote: Anyways, UI stuff is tend to be complex no matter how nicely you wrap it.. because it is UI. I'd have to disagree there. Building UIs with Glamour is easy. I'd say Spec is simply at too low an abstraction level for most UI work. We might need a different abstraction for different

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 11.10.2012 23:11, Benjamin wrote: On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Unfortunately it is not only about a layer between Morphic and Spec. Whole Spec design is greatly conforming to Morphic. Check out Spec definitions, they look almost like transcription of Morphic calls

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin
Feel free to use this representaion instead: {#ComposableSpec. #add:. {{#ComposableSpec. #add:. {#(#model #browseModel). #layout:. {#FrameLayoutSpec. #fractions:offsets:. (0@0) corner: ((1/5)@1). (0@0) corner: (0@0)}}. #add:. {#(#model #sendersModel). #layout:. {#FrameLayoutSpec.

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread H. Hirzel
What about proper formatting? :-) --Hannes On 10/12/12, Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free to use this representaion instead: {#ComposableSpec. #add:. {{#ComposableSpec. #add:. {#(#model #browseModel). #layout:. {#FrameLayoutSpec. #fractions:offsets:. (0@0)

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin
Trust me, even with the nicest formatting, it's not something that you want to read, or to write... Here the formatting is bad because this code is generated by the SpecLayout object. Ben On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, H. Hirzel wrote: What about proper formatting? :-) --Hannes On

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Unfortunately it is not only about a layer between Morphic and Spec. Whole Spec design is greatly conforming to Morphic. Check out Spec definitions, they

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Pavel Krivanek
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Pavel do you know VW spec, it is an array of symbol and spec is the same. We should change the api at some point. The point is that you do not code it by hand but that tools generate them. Now we are not to

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Benjamin
One of the goal of Spec is to be portable. But sadly, I am not an engineer working full time of Spec. Right now I have priorities which slow down Spec improvements. But the infrastructure for having Spec portable is not so far Ben On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: On

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-12 Thread Igor Stasenko
Pavel, since i am potential user of Spec, i would like to know more details. I know it takes more time to explain what exactly you don't like and propose better alternative, instead of just generic i don't like it. OmniBrowser is older than Spec, so it is not a big surprise that it has more

[Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-11 Thread Pavel Krivanek
Unfortunately it is not only about a layer between Morphic and Spec. Whole Spec design is greatly conforming to Morphic. Check out Spec definitions, they look almost like transcription of Morphic calls MethodToolbar class defaultSpec spec ^ { #Panel.

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-11 Thread Benjamin
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: Unfortunately it is not only about a layer between Morphic and Spec. Whole Spec design is greatly conforming to Morphic. Check out Spec definitions, they look almost like transcription of Morphic calls MethodToolbar class defaultSpec

Re: [Pharo-project] Interconnection of Morphic and Spec (was: [ANN] Phobos)

2012-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 11 October 2012 23:04, Pavel Krivanek pavel.kriva...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately it is not only about a layer between Morphic and Spec. Whole Spec design is greatly conforming to Morphic. Check out Spec definitions, they look almost like transcription of Morphic calls MethodToolbar