Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I do not understand what you are saying. p.s. One of the goals of LPF for all images is to provide a platform that enables new code NOT to have to be backwardly compatible since LPF can take up the slack. I find it ironic that Pharo is suffering from backward compataibility issues, and I

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-22 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Hi Damien, Let me try to understand your suggestion. You would use Sacke-Packages instead of a Universe. As far as I see, a Sacke-Package models the same information as one in a Universe (that is, name, description, dependencies, source location, etc.), right? Hence, the main difference

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Hodges
BTW, when I try to install Seaside in Pharo using Packages I get the following error: PackageInfodoesNotUnderstand: #propertyAt:put: In a standard squeak image there are several lists of what is currently installed, and these get out of sync quite easily. The PackageInfo and

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Hodges
Keith Hodges wrote: BTW, when I try to install Seaside in Pharo using Packages I get the following error: PackageInfodoesNotUnderstand: #propertyAt:put: In a standard squeak image there are several lists of what is currently installed, and these get out of sync quite easily.

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-22 Thread Keith Hodges
Adrian Lienhard wrote: Hi Damien, Let me try to understand your suggestion. You would use Sake-Packages instead of a Universe. As far as I see, a Sake-Package models the same information as one in a Universe (that is, name, description, dependencies, source location, etc.), right?

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
In a recent discussion with Marcus and Lukas we came to the conclusion that a package universe for Pharo 1.0 would be the best solution. Somebody would be responsible to manage this universe and only add packages that are tested and known to work. I think this is really important that we

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Sounds a good plan to my ears :) Stef On Dec 20, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: In a recent discussion with Marcus and Lukas we came to the conclusion that a package universe for Pharo 1.0 would be the best solution. Somebody would be responsible to manage this universe and only

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Bill Schwab
Stef, You are certainly welcome to beat me to it, though it could be a simple matter of my not having installed all of it. My goal was/is to install the cryptography team's work, including SSL sockets. One possible explanation is as follows: (1) the main package wants to be installed from a

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Bill Schwab
Adrian, Loading SqueakMap might just prolong the pain. If I am following correctly, the idea would be to use a universe to load the main package and then MC to grab the rest to my image to do what I want. The ideal solution would be to get SSL registered in the universe. Is that the idea?

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Adrian Lienhard
On Dec 20, 2008, at 15:18 , Bill Schwab wrote: Adrian, Loading SqueakMap might just prolong the pain. If I am following correctly, the idea would be to use a universe to load the main package and then MC to grab the rest to my image to do what I want. The ideal solution would be to

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-20 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Make sense to me Alexandre On 20 Dec 2008, at 07:16, Adrian Lienhard wrote: In a recent discussion with Marcus and Lukas we came to the conclusion that a package universe for Pharo 1.0 would be the best solution. Somebody would be responsible to manage this universe and only add packages

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-19 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks damien this is cool to see you doing that. THANKS! Stef On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st ___ Pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-19 Thread Bill Schwab
Damien, Thanks for making the new image. Is there a way to tell the image to display walkbacks instead of going straight into the debugger? The new image seemed a nice excuse to play catch-up, which means getting a few things loaded. Seaside - I recalled discussion of it, and quckly stumbled

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-19 Thread Bill Schwab
Keith, I'll have a look. My interest will probably be limited to Pharo; the 3.9 image is one of line of images I built to keep an eye on Squeak. I ended up looking at it today only because I knew I had the SSL sockets working somewhere. I'm surprised how easy it was to miss that the newer

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on 10196

2008-12-19 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Bill report any problem to load packages and we willcheck what we can do? Do you have something that we can repeat. And indeed we prefer MC as package format. Stef On Dec 20, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Bill Schwab wrote: Damien, Thanks for making the new image. Is there a way to tell the image to