Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-20 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 20, 2012, at 1:12 AM, S Krish wrote: Hmm.. I guess I will run through the details for integration in a while. Meanwhile a smooth almost glitch free run of porting this pharo image into tiny core linux under Virtual Box running in under 340 MB RAM. Practically everything as in

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-19 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:02 PM, laurent laffont wrote: Hi Sudhakar, do you think we can make your work part of TWM ? I've attached a couple of screenshots of what you can do with TWM. I would like to see efforts to converge in the IDE area (as maintenance is a so huge work on free

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-18 Thread S Krish
Surely I have no problems, except that my experiments are currently racing faster than the code process. My code has a good fraction of hacks, I do not like.. Let me clean them up and I will integrate to whatever makes sense for Pharo. Till then I will share it as a DirtyButCoolExperiments. My

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-18 Thread S Krish
Inlined.. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote: Janko wrote: Tabbed browsing on VisualWorks is what I found a right compromise between many browsers and tabs. See attached screenshot of my current development desktop. There is in my opinion still a lot

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-17 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Janko wrote: Tabbed browsing on VisualWorks is what I found a right compromise between many browsers and tabs. See attached screenshot of my current development desktop. There is in my opinion still a lot of potential for improvement in this UI: - the UI is extremely cluttered; - the browsers

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-17 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Fernando wrote: I would like to hear your opinion on the benefits of such interfaces, besides the fact that mainstream IDE's adopted it, it's not that i don't like Eclipse , is more that i'm aware that several difficulties have been found with these type of interfaces. On a large screen, I find

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread Fernando Olivero
Hi, i wanted to comment a bit on the proposed ui. The problem with this single-window with tab panes, is that it forces the user to have a single focus of attention, which produces an overhead in navigation for those programming tasks that require looking at more than one element at a time.

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 16 Feb 2012, at 09:38, Fernando Olivero wrote: The problem with this single-window with tab panes, is that it forces the user to have a single focus of attention, which produces an overhead in navigation for those programming tasks that require looking at more than one element at a time.

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread S Krish
As choices go, the limitation need not be imposed. But most times I find it tough to navigate through plethora of Browsers, Senders, implementors and ofcourse the little effort to go back to the World to right click open the menu for various other tools. I am mostly through last decade working on

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread S Krish
GroupWindowMorph is quite capable.. and nice.. #configureForEmbedding needs to be implemented to get it right though across all windows to remove the topLabel, and any other change reqd. Also a System Setting for the default: Open the window in this Tabbed Pane only.. else explicitly open it in

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread Fernando Olivero
I was just pointing out difficulties with the single-windowed tabbed panes view. People can chose whatever they prefer, but its undeniable that these type of interfaces hamper with looking at simultaneous views of the system, and making use of placement for remembering a task context, recently

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread S Krish
Yes, I will take a look and give my opinions. But on the face of it there are two situations I grapple, one that is useful for me and the other is: useful for newbies who are not the sharpest of lot in a corporate env. Provide an IDE that starts integrated and provides the option to split out

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread Eliot Miranda
Hi Krish, On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM, S Krish krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com wrote: Just this quick n usable prototype.. ? I really like the look of the tabs. But can you not push the tabs up so that they are at the same level as the open/close/collapse buttons and replace the

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread Jimmie Houchin
I agree. I value highly many of the abilities our current UI. I would not want to give up the ability to have multiple browsers open and placed in certain positions to give me view into code in multiple areas as I edit whatever I am editing. I do agree that we could make improvements and that

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-16 Thread S Krish
* Yes I do agree one single Tabbed Pane is a limitation, and I do not impose one. * There is great use to opening independent windows.. and it is allowed.. * TWM GroupedWindow does provide what you want: Group myriad windows into a GroupedWindow.. and you can have several.. either you implement

Re: [Pharo-project] TabbedPane Class/ Package / Workspace browsers

2012-02-15 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Nice Stef On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:15 AM, S Krish wrote: Just this quick n usable prototype.. ? Any comments of its utility.. I for one would rather prefer having everything navigable from one Tabbed Pane.. Panes capable of rendering about every window of the basic tools of Pharo..