Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-22 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not = allowed, but in the=20 future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even = if it's hidden from view or ultimately cross compiled into an Objective-C application. so... I want to be clear... that

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not = allowed, but in the=20 future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even = if it's hidden from view or ultimately cross compiled into an

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-22 Thread Oscar Nierstrasz
Here's a nice apple skull: http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/images/int-ss-001-01.jpg You can buy a T-shirt too ;-) - on http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/product_info.php?products_id=1719cPath=387_388store=# On Apr 22, 2010, at 15:22 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: On Apr 22,

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-22 Thread John M McIntosh
On 2010-04-22, at 4:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: so... I want to be clear... that means Deimos (and the adhoc vm) is not being allowed to exist? (right now, I'm working on deimos as if not change was introduced at all, but I need to take all of this into account now :P) Cheers,

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-22 Thread John M McIntosh
On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their web page. Apple will get a bad press. Yes well I don't think that will achieve much. Personally I think that the

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread John M McIntosh
Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums and sent to Steve Jobs at http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Interpreters.html I'll suggest there was some lifting of concept and quotes by Wired from letter. As of this morning I have no further news, I have heard thru

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread stephane ducasse
Good! John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone. STef On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:12 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums and sent to Steve Jobs at

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-21 Thread John M McIntosh
On 2010-04-21, at 1:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: Good! John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone. STef Yes, I did conduct a magazine interview today where I ensured I did mentioned that ESUG funding was instrumental in getting

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-20 Thread John M McIntosh
This morning there was a huge rumbling of email in my in-box. The result accumulated in Wired's nicely written article which you can find at http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/apple-scratch-app At this time I have no further information to offer and I'm awaiting further communication from

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-20 Thread John M McIntosh
Obviously I'm collecting media links on the issue http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html -- === John M. McIntosh john...@smalltalkconsulting.com Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.

[Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

2010-04-16 Thread John M McIntosh
Let me give everyone an update on what is going on with Scratch.app, I've seen lots of discussion and speculation flow by on the esug, scratch and pharo lists, some of it correct, and some of it incorrect. First, Scratch.app was remove from sale in the app store because the Scratch