[Pharo-project] Fix for author initialsPerse

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
HostSystemMenusMacOSX.StephaneDucasse.1.cs Description: Binary data Stef___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] About v4 strike fonts

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I do not have the possibility to check. I deleted all the file. Stef On Aug 9, 2009, at 11:27 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: Are you sure you didn't have a BitBltPlugin.bundle in the Resource folder of any of those squeak.apps you deleted? I believe it would override the 4.1.1b2U behavior,,

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1053: Transcript updates from foreground process not displayed in Transcript window

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote: Ready for review: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1053 ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Expected failures/errors on SUnit

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Please propose fixes and enhancements. Have a look at the Test project extensions to SUnit made by keith. I need somebody to have a look and tell us if this is ok to merge. Stef On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: There is a tool we are writing that needs to stop running the

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
What would be nice is to get a list of the methods that are missing in BlockClosure. After the changes will not be only needed for pharo but also for Squeak since Squeak has blockclosure now Stef http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1058 Can this two classes be merged (the

Re: [Pharo-project] a process to maintain non core package

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks. I tried to follow sake/package and bob and I got lost. Now for the update there are some tricky operations from time to time (and yes ideally I would like to use a system like the one you describe). Why not, the debian project use this model since 1996 or something like that. The

Re: [Pharo-project] Display depth on Linux

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Guys could you create a wiki pages with Possible problems with interacting tools on windows or something like that? Stef On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Does someone know if there are also problems in Metacity as there are with Compiz when using something else

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

2009-08-11 Thread Adrian Lienhard
This was already discussed some time ago in the thread BlockContextTest. Gabriel posted a list of methods and we discussed which ones should be copied to BlockClosure. Adrian On Aug 11, 2009, at 09:06 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: What would be nice is to get a list of the methods that are

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi I think that what is important is to release your code and learn and iterate. Did you check how VW UIBuilder did it? Stef csrabak wrote: I?m developing the UIBuilder of Youtube video. The development not is ended, and is in a Pre Beta state. I believe than in two weeks i could

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi dave do you know if there is a way to publish a newer one to the universe or delete the current one? Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:13 AM, David T. Lewis wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 05:42:11PM -0300, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: Hi, we need to issue a post using https. We read about

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Feature Roadmap Question

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
if somebody helps yes :) It should be in the list of items for 1.1 STef On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Eagle Offshore wrote: It seems like Pharo 1.0 is crystallized already. Is native window support (Areithfa Ffenestri) in the near term plan? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 -Todd

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
OK so I did not get the ones that are missing for Glorp? Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: This was already discussed some time ago in the thread BlockContextTest. Gabriel posted a list of methods and we discussed which ones should be copied to BlockClosure. Adrian

Re: [Pharo-project] a process to maintain non core package

2009-08-11 Thread Michael Roberts
This sounds great. Can you fill in some links on the wiki? Thanks mike On Monday, August 10, 2009, Douglas Brebner squeakli...@fang.demon.co.uk wrote: Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El dom, 09-08-2009 a las 21:01 +0100, Keith Hodges escribió: Keith Hodges wrote: Adrian Lienhard wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread nullPointer
Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: What will be the license of your toolBuilder? Then if you need help for the serialization did you do a call? Where the code is stored? The license will be MIT as Pharo. Now i dont store the code in nowhere, because is still in alpha state. I believe

Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph without smalltalk shortcuts

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
The shortcut management is a huge crap in squeak. For Botsinc I had to patch and copy the disptach table which is by default shared. Now I could check what I did back then in the botsinc image. Stef Hi, Is there a way to get a PluggableTextMorph without the default Smalltalk shortcuts?

Re: [Pharo-project] Display depth on Linux

2009-08-11 Thread Douglas Brebner
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Guys could you create a wiki pages with Possible problems with interacting tools on windows or something like that? Stef I believe this problem is due to a combination of the unix vm putting garbage into the alpha channel (the extra 8bits in 32bit colour after

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
good summary :) We started pharo because we could not move anymore. We will continue to pay attention to what they other forks are doing. Stef On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El lun, 10-08-2009 a las 21:07 +0100, Keith Hodges escribió: Dear All, As far as I

Re: [Pharo-project] Wiki for Pharo future work [WAS] preparing 1.1

2009-08-11 Thread Stan Shepherd
Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: I will do a pass on the items in the future because some are at different plans. Stef It would be great to include Keith's CleanUp protocol, as you mentioned - http://n2.nabble.com/Fwd:-Cleanups--td3256306.html Ideally, would every class implement

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM, nullPointer wrote: Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: What will be the license of your toolBuilder? Then if you need help for the serialization did you do a call? Where the code is stored? The license will be MIT as Pharo. Excellent! Now i dont store the

Re: [Pharo-project] Wiki for Pharo future work [WAS] preparing 1.1

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
It would be great to include Keith's CleanUp protocol, as you mentioned - http://n2.nabble.com/Fwd:-Cleanups--td3256306.html Ideally, would every class implement cleanUp? SmalltalkImage current cleanUpAll should be guaranteed to yield an image with no obsoletes. Cheers, ...Stan

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread nullPointer
Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote: Now i dont store the code in nowhere, because is still in alpha state. don't do that! :) Publish often - just say that this is alpha. Once one of my friends lost two years of dev because nice guys came during his holidays and let him only the wallpaper

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Gary Chambers
As for font chooser, there seems to be a problem with the FreeType support not selecting the correct fonts at the default sizes for some (most?) fonts. The FreeType font selector also exhibits this behaviour. Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: csra...@bol.com.br To:

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Henrik Johansen
At least when I tested Cuis StrikeFonts, this was caused by the weird behavior of String withoutTrailingDigits. (which returns the string up to first whitespace or digit, not the string excluding last digits and/or whitespace). The same might hold true for FreeType-fonts, haven't got time

Re: [Pharo-project] Display depth on Linux

2009-08-11 Thread David T. Lewis
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 08:26:20AM +0100, Douglas Brebner wrote: St?phane Ducasse wrote: Guys could you create a wiki pages with Possible problems with interacting tools on windows or something like that? Stef I believe this problem is due to a combination of the unix vm

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
could you open a ticket in the Bug tracker? Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: As for font chooser, there seems to be a problem with the FreeType support not selecting the correct fonts at the default sizes for some (most?) fonts. The FreeType font selector also

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Gary Chambers
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1061 Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI could you open a

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Hi David, thank you for your answer. I tried to downloaded but it need FFIConstants and KlattResonatorIndices... I downloaded Alien but when downloading VMMaker, Monticello ask me for FFIConstants and I could not find the KlattResonatorIndices package... I feel kind of dumb, but could you tell me

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Feature Roadmap Question

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: if somebody helps yes :) It should be in the list of items for 1.1 Done in: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/IdeasToImplement Section: UI STef On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Eagle Offshore wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: OK so I did not get the ones that are missing for Glorp? Sorry Stef I don't understood your question. Glorp uses some methods that wasn't in BlockCloure. At least, I remember one: argumentCount which was only a

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
FFIConstants is FFI package, not Alien FFI. This last one is a new implementation of FFI. To load FFI (not alien) on Pharo, just evaluate: ScriptLoader loadFFI I don't know what KlattResonatorIndices is. 2009/8/11 Hernan Wilkinson hernan.wilkin...@gmail.com Hi David, thank you for your

[Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Dear List members, The following method is defined in Class: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ClassisSystemDefined Answer true if the receiver is a system-defined class, and not a UniClass (an instance-specific lightweight class) ^ self == self officialClass -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

[Pharo-project] ClassDescriptionclassVersion

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hola! This method looks really suspicious to me. 6 classes implements #classVersion. Either #classVersion returns 0 or 1. Having the knowledge about a class version is definitely important. But I have the strong feeling this should be implemented that way. The packaging system should

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
The license will be MIT as Pharo. Now i dont store the code in nowhere, because is still in alpha state. I believe in one or two weeks i could up in squeakSource, for first usable version. Equally as important Stef said, putting your source on Squeaksource shows that you're working on

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Henrik Johansen
Sounds a lot to me like something that could be a leftover from Etoys, f.ex. used to support auto-numbered, auto-generated morphs by a user, but avoid saving them to disk etc.´... Cheers, Henry On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:04 01PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Dear List members, The following method

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Indeed. So, is this a good candidate for more cleaning? If yes, I add an entry in the wiki and I work on it now. Alexandre On 11 Aug 2009, at 10:40, Henrik Johansen wrote: Sounds a lot to me like something that could be a leftover from Etoys, f.ex. used to support auto-numbered,

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Henrik Johansen
Seeing as how isSystemDefined is only false for subclasses of MorphicModel that ends in a number, I'd say so :) Making a version of Etoys which runs on Pharo would be more difficult to achieve though. My 2c: Possibly forcing a rethinking of how to avoid saving auto- generated classes

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Thanks... but now I'm getting a compile error loading VMMaker: 'Cannot compile -- stack including temps is too deep'... anyway... 2009/8/11 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com FFIConstants is FFI package, not Alien FFI. This last one is a new implementation of FFI. To load FFI (not

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Marcus Denker
On 11.08.2009, at 11:03, Henrik Johansen wrote: Seeing as how isSystemDefined is only false for subclasses of MorphicModel that ends in a number, I'd say so :) Making a version of Etoys which runs on Pharo would be more difficult to achieve though. Any version of etoys running on top of

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread David T. Lewis
That sounds familiar. I think one of the plugins has a method that is too long and complicated to compile under the new closure compiler. Sorry I don't remember which one, but it's not one that you need so if you can get past the error it should not cause further problems. Sounds like I need to

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
2009/8/11 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez miguel.c...@gmail.com El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 00:04 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: I cannot believe it. I have a -headless image where I can use from a VNC client. Other thing that I have in my list for RFB it is to add a proccess forked

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 14:42 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: I also thought in a Seaside/Pier component similar to the morph to start/stop the vnc. For a Pier application it can be under System Managment :) The seaside examples already has a component to control the RFB server.

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassDescriptionclassVersion

2009-08-11 Thread Lukas Renggli
This method looks really suspicious to me. 6 classes implements #classVersion. Either #classVersion returns 0 or 1. This is used by ReferenceStream (and thus ImageSegment) to distinguish between class versions, see the comment in ClassDescription. The number is used to be able to distinguish

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

2009-08-11 Thread Lukas Renggli
Equally as important Stef said, putting your source on Squeaksource shows that you're working on the project. There are plenty of dead projects on Squeaksource, it is very hard to know what is dead and what is not. That's why it says on the front page ... Most Active:Pharo,

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassDescriptionclassVersion

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
This method looks really suspicious to me. 6 classes implements #classVersion. Either #classVersion returns 0 or 1. This is used by ReferenceStream (and thus ImageSegment) to distinguish between class versions, see the comment in ClassDescription. The number is used to be able to distinguish

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassDescriptionclassVersion

2009-08-11 Thread Lukas Renggli
This is used by ReferenceStream (and thus ImageSegment) to distinguish between class versions, see the comment in ClassDescription. The number is used to be able to distinguish different class versions and fix them if necessary when loading. Yes, this is what the code clearly says. But do

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread David T. Lewis
FYI, it's the GeniePlugin that has the stack depth problem: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-May/002721.html Dave On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:26:00AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: That sounds familiar. I think one of the plugins has a method that is too long and

[Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Does anybody know how to download the SWHTTPClient? (still looking for a https client :-) ) ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
http://universes.dnsalias.net/universes/repositories/squeak-3.9/SWHTTPClient-bkv.19.mcz 2009/8/11 Hernan Wilkinson hernan.wilkin...@gmail.com: Does anybody know how to download the SWHTTPClient? (still looking for a https client :-) ) ___

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
AFAICT, https is just http over an SSL socket. The less incorrect I am about that, the more you are in fact looking for an SSL socket implementation. My thought is to create that on top of OpenSSL, whether by plugin or FFI/Alien. OpenSSL provides non-blocking calls, but my recollection is

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Sorry if this is not the case, but... why don't you use stunnel instead trying to make https protocol work on squeak? Is much more easy, I think. Cheers, Esteban On 2009-08-11 14:47:07 -0300, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu said: AFAICT, https is just http over an SSL socket. The

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: good summary :) We started pharo because we could not move anymore. We will continue to pay attention to what they other forks are doing. BTW, some of us Second LIfe types are starting to play with Pharo/Seaside and various little issues keep popping up. I'm a total

[Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
With Pharo beta, right button still doesn't work out of the box in Windows. Instead, you have to use the wheel button. To fix it, you must evaluate: InputEventSensor installMouseDecodeTable I saw that in: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=838 The thing is...where can I put that

[Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Torsten Bergmann
With Pharo beta, right button still doesn't work out of the box in Windows. Mariano, can you try the installer executable on http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download ? For me right button work out of the box on XP and Vista and the installer uses the same image as Damien provides on the

Re: [Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Adrian Lienhard
What I don't understand is why InputEventSensor installMouseDecodeTable would solve the problem because this method is run at startup... Adrian On Aug 11, 2009, at 20:19 , Torsten Bergmann wrote: With Pharo beta, right button still doesn't work out of the box in Windows. Mariano, can

Re: [Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch wrote: What I don't understand is why InputEventSensor installMouseDecodeTable would solve the problem because this method is run at startup... I really don't know, but works :( Adrian On Aug 11, 2009, at 20:19 ,

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Two reasons: (1) OpenSSL offers a lot more than just SSL sockets, so it is worth wrapping; (2) it would be easy enough to do that is worth the effort. Any time one introduces something like stunnel, there are setup complexities, which become opportunities to make mistakes that leave data

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread csrabak
Mariano, I have Pharo installed in a Windows XP SP3 machine and right button works (and wheel also which is the central button in my mouse). could you create a test case to ascertain the issue is epidemic and not result of specifics of your image?

[Pharo-project] Beta: browser missing splitters?

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I wanted to take a look at Seaside 2.9's WADevelopment class, specifically how it automates saving packages. After finding the download system for Seaside (very nice!), I had a great excuse to grab the beta and load 2.9 from a change set. It worked - congrats to all involved. One thing that

Re: [Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Can you reproduce this with a fresh Pharo-core? It would be interesting to know whether the method is run at startup in your image. It is run as expected in my image (latest pharo-core). Could you add a halt in #installMouseDecodeTable save and restart the image? Adrian On Aug 11, 2009,

Re: [Pharo-project] right button still doesn't work on Windows

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Adrian Lienhard a...@netstyle.ch wrote: Can you reproduce this with a fresh Pharo-core? It would be interesting to know whether the method is run at startup in your image. It is run as expected in my image (latest pharo-core). Could you add a halt in

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
ok I was confused then by the mail of miguel Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: OK so I did not get the ones that are missing for Glorp? Sorry Stef I don't understood your

Re: [Pharo-project] ClassisSystemDefined ?

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We should probably remove the isSystemDefined and officialClass but we should do it with care because etoys crept really deep. Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Dear List members, The following method is defined in Class: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ClassisSystemDefined

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
BTW, some of us Second LIfe types are starting to play with Pharo/Seaside and various little issues keep popping up. I'm a total Smalltalk noob, but when I can't work through an example from the Squeak by Example book, that suggests there's some interesting features that should be looked

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

2009-08-11 Thread danil osipchuk
Hernan hi I added a SAR installer for a 32-bit linux version of recent CurlPlugin to the bottom of this page: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5865 If stars are favorable it may work. I could not reproduce a linking hack when plugin was partially linked statically against libcurl and dynamically

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: BTW, some of us Second LIfe types are starting to play with Pharo/Seaside and various little issues keep popping up. I'm a total Smalltalk noob, but when I can't work through an example from the Squeak by Example book, that suggests there's some interesting features

[Pharo-project] Seaside bug revisted, and a question about #on:do:

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I just put the beta on a 64 bit machine. Mariano's sudo apt-get install ia32-libs got the VM running. That was easy enough to find by searching the archives, but it seems like it should be put where is is harder to miss. Any ideas as to where that should be? To test the VM, I tried the

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Great to hear. However, pharo gets upset by putting 'eureka'. 'EUREKA' into the method finder. Says that is EVIL. Interesting bug. The problem comes from the deprecation of StringasCharacter http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1062 I gotta assume that that is just a simple

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside bug revisted, and a question about #on:do:

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.eduwrote: I just put the beta on a 64 bit machine. Mariano's sudo apt-get install ia32-libs got the VM running. That was easy enough to find by searching the archives, but it seems like it should be put where is is

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Alexandre Bergel wrote: Great to hear. However, pharo gets upset by putting 'eureka'. 'EUREKA' into the method finder. Says that is EVIL. Interesting bug. The problem comes from the deprecation of StringasCharacter http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1062 I gotta

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
'eureka' . ' EUREKA' I get no single method On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:22 PM, Lawson English wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote: BTW, some of us Second LIfe types are starting to play with Pharo/Seaside and various little issues keep popping up. I'm a total Smalltalk noob, but when I

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Which image are you using? Because on mine = core 10371 deprecatedWarning = on I do not get them. Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Lawson English wrote: Alexandre Bergel wrote: Great to hear. However, pharo gets upset by putting 'eureka'. 'EUREKA' into the method finder. Says that is

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Great to hear. However, pharo gets upset by putting 'eureka'. 'EUREKA' into the method finder. Says that is EVIL. Interesting bug. The problem comes from the deprecation of StringasCharacter

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Which image are you using? Because on mine = core 10371 deprecatedWarning = on I do not get them. Stef Pharo0.1 Latest update: #10343 will try running updater. Likely that I downloaded a pristine copy and started using it without updating first. Lawson

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Class var order in Monticello (bogus dirty packages)

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
we should check that because indeed from time to time we get the symptoms even if we integrated part of the solutionlong time ago.StefBegin forwarded message:From: Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.comDate: August 11, 2009 6:21:32 PM CEDTTo: The general-purpose Squeak developers list

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Oops that old. I suggest you to download a more recent version Mine is already old :) Let us know if you still have problem. It may be one package loaded in the pharo (non core) that is doing something fishy. Stef On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Lawson English wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Doing an update. This is the version found in teh one-click installer package at: http://www.seaside.st/download/squeak Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Oops that old. I suggest you to download a more recent version Mine is already old :) Let us know if you still have problem. It may be one

Re: [Pharo-project] Display depth on Linux

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:07 AM, David T. Lewis le...@mail.msen.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 08:26:20AM +0100, Douglas Brebner wrote: St?phane Ducasse wrote: Guys could you create a wiki pages with Possible problems with interacting tools on windows or something like that?

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside bug revisted, and a question about #on:do:

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Mariano, Ok, so you hid it in the readme file :)I had next to no trouble finding it in the archives, but it's such a small (but critical) instruction that we probably should put it on the download page. There is already a table of vms; along with OS andalternative, we might add a release

[Pharo-project] Complex neurotic

2009-08-11 Thread Ken.Dickey
Q: What is the difference between a neurotic and a psychotic? A: A psychotic really thinks 2+2 = 5 A neurotic knows 2+2 = 4, but just can't stand it. ;^) I really can't stand some of the oddities of Complex numbers in Squeak [Note Mantis bug 311 -- http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3311].

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread csrabak
If you proceed when getting evil and afterwards the warning that the method shouldn't be used don't you get StringasUppercase? Em 11/08/2009 19:03, Stéphane Ducasse lt; stephane.duca...@inria.fr gt; escreveu: 'eureka' . ' EUREKA' I get no single method On Aug 11, 2009, at 11:22 PM,

Re: [Pharo-project] Complex neurotic

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
AFAIK, one has to be careful ordering complex numbers: http://www.physicspost.com/physicsforums/topic.asp-ARCHIVE=TOPIC_ID=2779.htm If in doubt, I would #shouldNotImplement # until we can get a conclusive answer. If you have defined it only for pure real or pure imaginary numbers (a

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread csrabak
Pharo1.0beta latest update: #10413. BTW: it's not possible to copy text from the About this System Dialog... Em 11/08/2009 19:05, Stéphane Ducasse lt; stephane.duca...@inria.fr gt; escreveu: Which image are you using? Because on mine = core 10371 deprecatedWarning = on I do not get them.

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.x should adopt Pharo 1.0

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote: Pharo1.0beta latest update: #10413. BTW: it's not possible to copy text from the About this System Dialog... Here in Linux works using ctrl + c not only to a workspace (inside image) but also to an external program. Em

[Pharo-project] Sideways marketing of pharo, seaside, etc.

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Hey all, I'm in one of my manic brainstorming moods and whilest I'm working on a baby interface between Second Life and Squeak, it dawns on me that there is a huge potential for evangelicalism on your part here: One of hte myriad complains Second LIfe power users have is that the build-in

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
2009/8/11 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez miguel.c...@gmail.com El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 14:42 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: I also thought in a Seaside/Pier component similar to the morph to start/stop the vnc. For a Pier application it can be under System Managment :) The

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 21:00 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: 2009/8/11 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez miguel.c...@gmail.com El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 14:42 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: I also thought in a Seaside/Pier component

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Keith Hodges
Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote: El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 21:00 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: 2009/8/11 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez miguel.c...@gmail.com El mar, 11-08-2009 a las 14:42 -0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: I also

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Thanks you all guys for the answers. We have no decided what to do yet... stunnel is an option too because the code we are writting now on pharo will have to run on GemStone later on, so that is another variable to have in mind also... Hernan. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Feature Roadmap Question

2009-08-11 Thread Eagle Offshore
I have tried to get this running in Squeak on my own three or four times. I have had no luck with it. I love the idea in principle, but there are always errors I can't figure out when I try to make it work. -Todd Blanchard On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: if somebody

Re: [Pharo-project] Complex neurotic

2009-08-11 Thread Ken.Dickey
AFAIK, one has to be careful ordering complex numbers: I am aware of this.  There are a large number of ways to define # for complex numbers -- and a large number of problems with each of them. What I object to are bad behaviors for things which are perfectly well defined. Currently: -1

Re: [Pharo-project] SWHTTPClient

2009-08-11 Thread Eagle Offshore
Wasn't there a curl plugin? Or did it not get finished? -Todd Blanchard ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] Complex neurotic

2009-08-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Perhaps #isNumber should answer false. I would be very careful about advertising an order that might not behave as people expect. The example of -1 asComplex 1 asComplex is simple enough, but anything that invokes dictionary ordering (or whatever other definition is used) will get tricky

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] RFB/VNC fully configurable by code.

2009-08-11 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez
El mié, 12-08-2009 a las 02:43 +0100, Keith Hodges escribió: Why not just use the REPLServer Woa, woa, I remember some mails mentioning it but never check it. This opens a world of possibilities to me. Thanks for the pointer. BTW: REPL-mvdg.16.mcz from

Re: [Pharo-project] Sideways marketing of pharo, seaside, etc.

2009-08-11 Thread Lawson English
Someone in Second Life gave me this link: http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=AlternativeEditors There's a lot more than I expected. Obviously there's a great deal of interest in having alternative Second Life tools hand. Another thought... I know that There's a Squeak-based tool that