Re: [Pharo-project] Spanish Mailing list for Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
cool On Nov 25, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Germán Arduino wrote: We will welcome all the people wanting to talk about Pharo/Squeak/off topic also :) on SqueakRos in Spanish! 2009/11/25 Alexandre Bergel alexan...@bergel.eu: Dear List, Currently there is no dedicated mailing list for Pharo

[Pharo-project] Reoganize categories by alphabetical order ?

2009-11-26 Thread Frederic Pluquet
Hello, How to reorganize system categories by alphabetical order ? Fréd Frédéric Pluquet Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Reoganize categories by alphabetical order ?

2009-11-26 Thread Lukas Renggli
Smalltalk organization sortCategories Don't do that if you plan to submit packages back, because the order of the categories within a package will show up as a change in Monticello and affect other people as well. Lukas 2009/11/26 Frederic Pluquet fpluq...@ulb.ac.be: Hello, How to reorganize

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11061

2009-11-26 Thread Marcus Denker
11061 - Issue 1504:remove PasteUpMorphreportLocalAddress ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

[Pharo-project] pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I would like to collect a list of the solutions to link Pharo with existing databases. I am interested in both relational and in object databases. Is there a list somewhere? If not and if you know/use/develop/ such a solution, it would be great if we could put it together by collecting

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Adrian Lienhard
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PackagesTestedInPharo lists SqueakDBX (and Glorp). If people have experience with other drivers (like the dedicated Postgresql client [1]), it would be good to add it there too. Cheers, Adrian [1] http://www.squeaksource.com/PostgresV2.html On Nov 26,

Re: [Pharo-project] newinspector?

2009-11-26 Thread Adrian Lienhard
Just yesterday, I asked Frederic to remove the class and method entries that add a lot of the noise and are most often not needed. He committed a new version with these changes. But from Stef's analysis it seems there is a bit more needed to make this inspector fly... And a really good

Re: [Pharo-project] newinspector?

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok I will check. may be we can have a mode that does not provide object interpretation (for dict we would only see tally and array not the dictionary, ...). Stef On Nov 26, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: Just yesterday, I asked Frederic to remove the class and method entries

Re: [Pharo-project] newinspector?

2009-11-26 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Rather than a mode for inspecting dictionaries, wouldn't it be better to have a subclass, say DictionaryInspector, which could be selected as needed by means of an #inspectorClass method. Then, if more specializations turn up, they could be added in the same way. Just a thought that struck

[Pharo-project] Published Sophie-Network-URI package

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I published the URI package of Sophie in the PharoTaskForces. Now it seems to me that iteration protocol (allFileDo: ) and creation protocols are missing (forceNewFileOn:.) Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] newinspector?

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
this is probably like that but you may want to be able to swicth (ie inspect dictionary as default objects.) On Nov 26, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: Rather than a mode for inspecting dictionaries, wouldn't it be better to have a subclass, say DictionaryInspector, which

[Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Doru wrote: I would like to collect a list of the solutions to link Pharo with existing databases. I am interested in both relational and in object databases. Something like http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence? Stephan ___

[Pharo-project] Published Rome from Sophie dev into PharoTaskForces

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys I published Rome packages from sophie-dev in PharoTaskForces. So that slowly we make sure that we can load and use it. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Published Rome from Sophie dev into PharoTaskForces

2009-11-26 Thread Alexandre Bergel
After some discussion with Travis last week, I feel it would be good to have Mondrian use Cairo. Getting rid of bitmaps will be a good move for Mondrian. Alexandre On 26 Nov 2009, at 17:32, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys I published Rome packages from sophie-dev in PharoTaskForces. So

Re: [Pharo-project] Published Rome from Sophie dev into PharoTaskForces

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
There is a first cut at a cairo canvas under rome. Alain got fun with it but this is not complete but a good start. I discussed with juan vuletich and what he showed me for the antialiasing was better than cairo, so we will see but this would be good to have his code as another rome canvas :)

[Pharo-project] Re: c.l.s Pharo less responsive than Squeak?

2009-11-26 Thread csrabak
Do you also see as these persons report it? http://groups.google.com.br/group/comp.lang.smalltalk/browse_thread/thread/9f38eaa2a9c29213 -- Cesar Rabak ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] c.l.s Pharo less responsive than Squeak?

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
good to let us know. I do not see pharo getting up to 130 Mb. On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:53 PM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote: Do you also see as these persons report it? http://groups.google.com.br/group/comp.lang.smalltalk/browse_thread/thread/9f38eaa2a9c29213 -- Cesar Rabak

[Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi Neil what you report is strange. Can you let us know: - vm - OS - image version - your display depth Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase of 15% of Morphic in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. Now lot of us are on mac.

[Pharo-project] about sluggines on linux

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
hi guys Arturo told me that pharo was looking slow on his machine. I could not find the time to check if this was related with the display depth. Or that pharo was just slow compared to VW. Arturo can you let us know. Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Diogenes Moreira
http://www.smallworks.com.ar We have a lot products in productions using relationals database. Sadly, we don't have webpages for all products...we are programmers :) Today, our strategy is use Glorp, with SqueakDBX. (Postgres, MySql, Oracle and comming Soon MSSQL), when we don't use the

[Pharo-project] Getting rid of the blinking cursor?

2009-11-26 Thread Henrik Jegbjerg Hansen
Is it possible to get rid of the blinking cursor? I prefer the non-blinking which is default on Squeak. Maybe there should be a preference setting for this? -- Henrik Jegbjerg Hansen ___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Excellent! Diogenes it would be great if you could have a web page :) Stef On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: http://www.smallworks.com.ar We have a lot products in productions using relationals database. Sadly, we don't have webpages for all products...we are

[Pharo-project] Fwd: about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Begin forwarded message: From: neil butterworth nbutterworth1...@googlemail.com Date: November 26, 2009 10:29:57 PM GMT+01:00 To: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr Subject: Re: about Pharo On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Diogenes Moreira
in fact, we are working on a new page please be patient with us as .. is the tipical situation, the good programmers make horrible pages...please some graphics artist, help us :) Regards. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Excellent!

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks for your reply :) what you report is strange. Can you let us know: - vm The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). - OS Win2K SP4 - image version Once again, a very recent

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, That sounds interesting indeed. But, I was more talking about the projects for DB mapping, not the application projects. In other words, what Pharo project are you using and which version to work with what version of what database. For example, you mentioned SqueakDBX. Which version? Is

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Diogenes Moreira
A OK.. SqueakDbx http://www.SqueakDBX.org with Glorp. http://www.glorp.org which version live in the trunk is more fun. :) Best Regards. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Tudor Girba tudor.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, That sounds interesting indeed. But, I was more talking about the

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: A OK.. SqueakDbx http://www.SqueakDBX.org with Glorp. http://www.glorp.org which version live in the trunk is more fun. :) well. I just got a discussion with doru that this is a pain to load the latest version of something

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Stef, I have a slow machine that stands ready to help with numbers any time; it is semi-retired now, running Ubuntu 9.04. It might be a good ideas to dual-boot it, but I find it challenging to work up the motivation to assault it with a Windows CD, and I have a similar era machine running

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Lukas Renggli
In my experience the truetype fonts and the mac skin are a major slowdown. If I disable both things I get a much faster image. Now I do like nice fonts, so I just live with that speed penalty ... Lukas On Thursday, November 26, 2009, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote: Stef, I have

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Marcus Denker
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: In my experience the truetype fonts and the mac skin are a major slowdown. If I disable both things I get a much faster image. Now I do like nice fonts, so I just live with that speed penalty ... maybe we should add a note to the download

Re: [Pharo-project] c.l.s Pharo less responsive than Squeak?

2009-11-26 Thread csrabak
Stef, Beware Guido's report if for a Windows machine ;-) Em 26/11/2009 19:00, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr escreveu: good to let us know. I do not see pharo getting up to 130 Mb. On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:53 PM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote: Do you also see as these persons report

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread csrabak
Folks, If we can devise a benchmark kind of package I have an old P-III with OEM Win2K that I can put for comparing against my (newer, but not leading edge) machines. Em 26/11/2009 19:45, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr escreveu: Begin forwarded message: From: neil

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread csrabak
Yep, I think we should create a benchmark _image_ then... Em 26/11/2009 20:02, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr escreveu: Thanks for your reply :) what you report is strange. Can you let us know: - vm The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago)

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Ok.Doru: I will answer you as much as I know. I think it is good your idea of having a webpage with all the answers of your questions and even more. The seaside persistence page is ok, but two things: 1) this is not only squeak/pharo but others dialects too, 2) Most of those persistence

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Marcus Denker den...@acm.org wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: In my experience the truetype fonts and the mac skin are a major slowdown. If I disable both things I get a much faster image. Now I do like nice fonts, so I just live

Re: [Pharo-project] Spanish Mailing list for Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Sorry Alex, I wanted to speak with you about this in Smalltalks 2009 but I couldn't find it. My personal view is that I am not sure if it would be good to have a Pharo in Spanish mailing list. Why ? Most of the Argentinian (and I guess others spanish countries also) people speaks english. At

Re: [Pharo-project] c.l.s Pharo less responsive than Squeak?

2009-11-26 Thread Igor Stasenko
2009/11/26 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: good to let us know. I do not see pharo getting up to 130 Mb. apart from it, i can second that Pharo windows feels noticeable slower than Squeak, even if i change theme to 'standard squeak'. On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:53 PM,

Re: [Pharo-project] Spanish Mailing list for Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Alexandre Bergel
As soon as a significant effort is required to communicate in a foreign language, then everybody may loose something. A Spanish mailing list is as important as a French or German one. SqueakRos apparently is quite active and has many participants. I will simply use it to share my views on

Re: [Pharo-project] Spanish Mailing list for Pharo

2009-11-26 Thread Serge Stinckwich
2009/11/27 Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com: Sorry Alex, I wanted to speak with you about this in Smalltalks 2009 but I couldn't find it. My personal view is that I am not sure if it would be good to have a Pharo in Spanish mailing list. Why ? Most of the Argentinian (and I guess

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

2009-11-26 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks, Mariano. Indeed, that is the kind of information I am looking for. Cheers, Doru On 27 Nov 2009, at 00:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Ok.Doru: I will answer you as much as I know. I think it is good your idea of having a webpage with all the answers of your questions and

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting rid of the blinking cursor?

2009-11-26 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2009/11/26 Henrik Jegbjerg Hansen h...@freecode.dk: Is it possible to get rid of the blinking cursor?  I prefer the non-blinking which is default on Squeak. TextMorph allInstancesDo:[: each | each stopBlinking ] Maybe there should be a preference setting for this? Yes, you should change