Hi Esteban,
using last built of Cog-Mac-Cocoa VM, my image crashes as soon as it opens
because of OSProcess. Works with StackVM 4.0
The image is Pharo1.3 with SmallHarbour (smallharbour.org) loaded. You can
download the image from http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/SmallHarbourCrash.zip
The log:
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I understand. I remember when I first saw that stuff!
Regards, Gary
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From: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14057
On Jul 25, 2011, at
Yes please!
That would be so cool.
On 21 Jul 2011, at 08:40, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Something for Esteban: it would be super cool if the VM had the
full-screen button in the title bar :-)
On Thursday, 21 July 2011, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote:
It worked for me on the GM.
On
+1
Alexandre
On 26 Jul 2011, at 13:02, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Yes please!
That would be so cool.
On 21 Jul 2011, at 08:40, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Something for Esteban: it would be super cool if the VM had the
full-screen button in the title bar :-)
On Thursday, 21 July
On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Hi (Marcus),
I was looking for a Pharo 1.3 Seaside 'client' build on the CI server(s) but
couldn't find it.
It used to be available for 1.2.x (this seems to be gone as well).
I think that for good reciprocal relations with
14060
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- enhancing Ring and fixing some API for better tools integration.
SystemNavigation is now using Ring objects.
todo: should fix some tests on unsentMessages
Stef and Veronica
Is it now possible to browse Smalltalk
class/packages/methods/categories using Ring? Said differently, how
can I instanciate Ring on the image?
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
14060
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- enhancing Ring and fixing some API for better tools
Hi guys
In 1.4 I get an annoying regression, when the system propose me a change my
text gets mangled or not updated.
Am I the only one to get that?
It would be good to fix that.
Stef
On 26 July 2011 15:51, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi guys
In 1.4 I get an annoying regression, when the system propose me a change my
text gets mangled or not updated.
Am I the only one to get that?
It would be good to fix that.
We only accept a good bug reports
Hi guys
I was debugging some bug and I got the following
DoItIn: ThisContext
^ self
do: [:each | ((ThisContext namedTempAt: 1)
includes: each)
ifFalse: [^ false]]
I selected (ThisContext
or maybe not.
I have searched for a way to generate accessor functions with a program,
but did not understand the implementaion on Pharo but I've stolen
something from Gemstone Smalltalk (if that is not ok, would someone
please be so kind to tell me) and there is a method
On 26 July 2011 17:27, Friedrich Dominicus
fr...@q-software-solutions.de wrote:
or maybe not.
I have searched for a way to generate accessor functions with a program,
but did not understand the implementaion on Pharo but I've stolen
something from Gemstone Smalltalk (if that is not ok, would
Lol, that was quite lame!
(Guessing that save of method not doing the source code after prompt...
there is an issue for that I think)
Regards, Gary
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From: Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:58
Friedrich == Friedrich Dominicus fr...@q-software-solutions.de writes:
Friedrich I have searched for a way to generate accessor functions with a
program,
Friedrich but did not understand the implementaion on Pharo but I've stolen
Friedrich something from Gemstone Smalltalk (if that is not ok,
In OB/RB you can select refactor class create accessors or on invidual
variables refactor variable create accessors; as well as refactor your
classes to use direct variable access or accessors (both ways).
Lukas
On Tuesday, 26 July 2011, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 July 2011
To enable evolution, I'd say.
Encapsulation is quite a barrier to adaptation.
Ideally, the behaviour that pushes the boundaries would be refactored into
the class...
Eventually, over time, likely that no client object would need to do
direct access to leverage the object.
That's when you
It forks a process for evaluating a block you passing.
And it works quite well if there's no exception during block evaluation..
but if there is, then it signals the TestFailure exception, not in a
process who waits test to be finished,
but in a process which forked.
And then since there is no
|
| You should design your object's interface respecting the needed
| protocols, not its internal design. Bad code smell otherwise.
If your intent is to provide for subclassing in the future (or tomorrow), then
you should use accessors exclusively. There is a place for such tool
How to I download 1.4? I don't see it on the website or ci server.
Thanks.
Sean
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Is it now possible to browse Smalltalk
class/packages/methods/categories using Ring?
yes
Said differently, how can I instanciate Ring on the image?
so far veronica did a MC bridge and also
You can have a look in the ringCaseStudy for example veronica creates ring
object to replace the
may be I'm wrong but should:notTakeMoreThan: does not tell me that it is
forking a process.
So I would prefer it does not.
On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
It forks a process for evaluating a block you passing.
And it works quite well if there's no exception during block
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/
Thanks. It doesn't seem to launch with the Mac Carbon 4.2.5 VM (the only one
with all the plugins built :( ), although it did launch with the Stack
4.0.0.
I created Issue 4553.
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/
Thanks. It doesn't seem to launch with the Mac Carbon 4.2.5 VM (the only one
with all the plugins built :( ), although it did launch with the Stack
4.0.0.
I created
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
Is it really realistic to support 20 differents VMs? Who is going to test?
I'm sure that once the new VMs stabilize, it will not be an issue, but given
that the Stack/Cog VMs do not have all the plugins, what do you suggest for
right now?
Sean
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
Is it really realistic to support 20 differents VMs? Who is going to test?
I'm sure that once the new VMs stabilize, it will not be an issue, but given
that the Stack/Cog VMs do not have all the plugins, what
On 26 July 2011 20:40, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
may be I'm wrong but should:notTakeMoreThan: does not tell me that it is
forking a process.
So I would prefer it does not.
It forks a process, because if code under the question takes forever
to evaluate,
you cannot stop
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
We should fix the VMs.
Yes, I've reported several missing plugins to the VM issue tracker, but the
noble maintainers are overworked ( and underpaid :) ). For now, anyone using
the ObjectiveC, Quicktime, or Applescript plugins (missing at the time I
reported them) will
What is the version of VM you refer to?
Because here the VM i downloaded from Hudson (a Carbon one) and it
opens an image without problem:
Smalltalk vmVersion
'Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker-oscog-IgorStasenko.108]
CogVM VM 4.0.0
https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git
4.2.5 (interpreter)
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On 26 July 2011 20:12, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
We should fix the VMs.
Yes, I've reported several missing plugins to the VM issue tracker, but the
noble maintainers are overworked ( and underpaid :) ). For now, anyone using
the ObjectiveC,
Strange because I run 1.4 on 4.2.5beta1U, 5.7b3, 5.7.4
Stef
On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/
Thanks. It doesn't seem to launch with the Mac Carbon 4.2.5 VM (the only one
with all the plugins built :( ),
On 26 July 2011 20:14, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
4.2.5 (interpreter)
and the question remains same. :)
As you can see the Carbon VMs which are built by Hudson having 4.0.0 version.
So, what is VM you using?
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Strange because I run 1.4 on 4.2.5beta1U, 5.7b3, 5.7.4
Hmm... I'll try it with a freshly downloaded VM.
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Igor Stasenko wrote:
and the question remains same. :)
As you can see the Carbon VMs which are built by Hudson having 4.0.0
version.
So, what is VM you using?
It's the one at http://www.squeakvm.org/mac/release/Squeak%204.2.5beta1U.zip
Is that what you're asking?
Sean
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On 26 July 2011 21:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
and the question remains same. :)
As you can see the Carbon VMs which are built by Hudson having 4.0.0
version.
So, what is VM you using?
It's the one at
On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 26 July 2011 21:23, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
and the question remains same. :)
As you can see the Carbon VMs which are built by Hudson having 4.0.0
version.
So, what is VM you using?
Igor Stasenko wrote:
So, you using an old released VM instead of development version.
Okay, where do I get the latest Mac Carbon interpreter VM? Maybe I could use
the 4.2.5 that Steph said he had working? (I downloaded a fresh copy from
squeakvm.org with the same non-launch result)
Sean
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
We need to move on.
Definitely, but would it make more sense to wait until the new VMs are fully
functional?
Sean
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
So, you using an old released VM instead of development version.
Okay, where do I get the latest Mac Carbon interpreter VM? Maybe I could use
the 4.2.5 that Steph said he had working? (I downloaded a fresh copy
Got the same in 1.3 with Nautilus, dunno why ...
If someone knows, I am interested in the clue :)
Ben
On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
In 1.4 I get an annoying regression, when the system propose me a change my
text gets mangled or not updated.
Am I the only
Wouldn't make more sense to pick one or two VMs per platform and stick
with them ?
Frankly, who knows which VM to download for which image in production ?
I don't know if i'm doing well but from time to time I pick the latest
VM I find here: http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ and hope
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/
That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the
interpreter VM, no?
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We are all waiting for that.
PS: This is fun to see that our expectations are always growing. We always want
more.
Imagine just six months ago there was no automated build, no traceability. So
the process is normally
this is like when you build infrastructure once your get streets you want
On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Francois Stephany wrote:
Wouldn't make more sense to pick one or two VMs per platform and stick with
them ?
yes this is what we will do and they will be called pharo-vm probably and with
traceability and tests to validate them.
Do you imagine the hell it is for
On 26 July 2011 22:52, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/
That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the
interpreter VM, no?
You listed following plugins:
ObjectiveC,
On 26 July 2011 22:26, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 July 2011 22:52, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/
That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the
Igor Stasenko wrote:
Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it
working).
I can test it. Just point me to the VM.
Igor Stasenko wrote:
ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not Carbon.
From a user's perspective, what's the difference between
Hi,
Ok, first of all... Sean, your requests are not being ignored. As soon as you
asked for ObjectiveCPlugin, Quicktime and Applescript I added them to the
builds from hudson. Then I retired Applescript plugin because it is an error on
source code generation.
After that, I updated my system to
El 26/07/2011, a las 7:48p.m., Sean P. DeNigris escribió:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it
working).
I can test it. Just point me to the VM.
https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/
Igor
Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
Ok, first of all... Sean, your requests are not being ignored.
I know that! I have nothing but respect for the invaluable VM maintainers. I
only keep mentioning it because the subject keeps coming up.
Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
As soon as you asked for
Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
in other things, you really shouldn't note the difference
Okay, so Cocoa is the way forward. Got it.
Sean
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Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
El 26/07/2011, a las 7:48p.m., Sean P. DeNigris escribió:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it
working).
I can test it. Just point me to the VM.
On 27 July 2011 00:48, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Igor Stasenko wrote:
Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it
working).
I can test it. Just point me to the VM.
Igor Stasenko wrote:
ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not
So, the fix is there.
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4555
I don't like that it hides the actual exception, but at least it
indicating failure instead of popping up a debugger window.
(you can always run the test method separately in order to see why it
throwing error).
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