Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Jochen Riekhof wrote: Hi Stef... Thank you for the welcome and quick answer! you cannot anymore. We have not finished to curve it out and you trust us that if we remove it this is for good reasons. Sure I understand that cleanup is important to get a

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
+1 on missing projects. to do what? What is our plan to replace this functionality? which one exactly? Is the objection to the idea of projects in general, or just the Squeak implementation? I let you guess :) I found it absolutely priceless to have a world for each task at hand - each

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Lukas Renggli
I have my different projects in different images. That works perfectly. Lukas On 2 June 2010 08:46, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: +1 on missing projects. to do what? What is our plan to replace this functionality? which one exactly?  Is the objection to the idea of

Re: [Pharo-project] Hash values

2010-06-02 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:04 32AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: On 02.06.2010 00:15, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Hi! Apparently in Pharo 1.1, hash values may be greater than 4096. What is the range of the hash values? Cheers, Alexandre

Re: [Pharo-project] Hash values

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi! Apparently in Pharo 1.1, hash values may be greater than 4096. What is the range of the hash values? Cheers, Alexandre ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] Hash values

2010-06-02 Thread Andres Valloud
I still think leaving identityHash alone and using scaledIdentityHash to multiply by 2^18 is better for backwards compatibility. However, I do not know how much of a problem changing identityHash will cause for existing code. Something that has always bugged me about changing identityHash is

[Pharo-project] MaskedTextMorph

2010-06-02 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hello I implement MaskedTextMorph class for masked input fields. See attachment and class side example. Its just little class. I dont create separate package for it. Maybe somebody add it to some widgets package MaskedTextMorph.st Description: Binary data

[Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi I think that lot of people are overwhelmed by the flux of mails. I would like get us doing the following: - have an announce mailing-list with a low traffic and important announces - having a monthly report of items. For the second point we could have a group of people

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11383

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
11383 - Issue 2496: FFI not loading due to Parser changes Issue 2495: Use cull: for ifNotNil: Stef ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Re: [Pharo-project] MaskedTextMorph

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks denis did you sign the license agreement? Please do. http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/ We will be happy to integrate your changes (modulo UI people like it). Do make sure that this happens can you open a bug entry on http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/ Stef On

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread laurent laffont
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi I think that lot of people are overwhelmed by the flux of mails. I would like get us doing the following: - have an announce mailing-list with a low traffic and important announces - having

Re: [Pharo-project] MaskedTextMorph

2010-06-02 Thread Denis Kudriashov
How I can sign license agreement? I add it to bug entry. 2010/6/2 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr Thanks denis did you sign the license agreement? Please do. http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/ We will be happy to integrate your changes (modulo UI people like it). Do

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
we could have something a bit more detailed then we could also reach people. I do not know who is reading the blog May be this is enough but the blog is not really active Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:18 AM, laurent laffont wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Stéphane Ducasse

Re: [Pharo-project] MaskedTextMorph

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: How I can sign license agreement? I add it to bug entry. excellent 2010/6/2 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr Thanks denis did you sign the license agreement? Please do. http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/ -

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread laurent laffont
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: we could have something a bit more detailed then we could also reach people. I do not know who is reading the blog May be this is enough but the blog is not really active I prefer the blog, it makes some

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Henrik Johansen
On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:26 16AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: we could have something a bit more detailed then we could also reach people. I do not know who is reading the blog May be this is enough but the blog is not really active Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:18 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Update on Morphic 3

2010-06-02 Thread Fernando olivero
GREAT WORK JUAN! the quality is superb! it's amazing to see Morphic3 in action! When can we get our hands on it? If you need any help/tester for the project i'm up to it! Fernando pd: just a minor remark on the web page: i think the pictures to the right and left should have a distinct

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
For me I'm open to a lot of suggestions but at the end of the day is who can do it. Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:37 AM, laurent laffont wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: we could have something a bit more detailed then we could also

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Adrian Lienhard
I was just going to say the same. I have tons of images. Just duplicate an image and you have a new project. No need for a brittle mechanism inside the image. Cheers, Adrian On Jun 2, 2010, at 08:50 , Lukas Renggli wrote: I have my different projects in different images. That works

Re: [Pharo-project] MaskedTextMorph

2010-06-02 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi and welcome. In http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq you can read the question: How can I contribute to Pharo? which links you to: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute and http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-to-contribute-to-pharo.html cheers Mariano On

[Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Juan Vuletich
Hi Folks, I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It includes new rendering algorithms I developed that produce unparalleled visual quality. Really. This is the best 2d rendering in the world. You can take a look at

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Lukas Renggli
Hi Juan, This looks really exiting! How do you get the actual pixels drawn? Is this implemented in Smalltalk? Did you write primitives to do that? Are you using external libraries? How does it compare performance wise with the current rendering? Lukas On 2 June 2010 13:43, Juan Vuletich

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome Canvas to replace an ordinary canvas [Was: Re: Rendering fonts on OpenGL ]

2010-06-02 Thread Cyrille Delaunay
Some news (sources at www.squeaksource.com/Athens): About having a first 'minimal' version, working with RomePluginCanvas and RomeReferenceCanvas, it seems to be ok. I retrieve the tests from Sophie and all are green. In romeDemo, I made a category with some working examples (using

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
We can also be more rigorous about asking user questions on the user list. I wonder what the difference is between these and Squeak-dev/beginner, which seem to be more balanced. Sean -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok do you give a try? Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:52 PM, laurent laffont wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: For me I'm open to a lot of suggestions but at the end of the day is who can do it. A way is to have weekly news rather than

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: to do what? which one exactly? The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I find a bug in

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome Canvas to replace an ordinary canvas [Was: Re: Rendering fonts on OpenGL ]

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Some news (sources at www.squeaksource.com/Athens): About having a first 'minimal' version, working with RomePluginCanvas and RomeReferenceCanvas, it seems to be ok. I retrieve the tests from Sophie and all are green. In romeDemo, I made a category with some working examples (using

Re: [Pharo-project] about a digest for the mailing-list

2010-06-02 Thread laurent laffont
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.frwrote: Ok do you give a try? Just say please :D Laurent Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:52 PM, laurent laffont wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: For me I'm

Re: [Pharo-project] Memory Monitor

2010-06-02 Thread Noury Bouraqadi
Cool! Noury On 1 juin 2010, at 22:10, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Hi! I produced a new version which now display more information. Feedback are welcome Cheers, Alexandre Screen shot 2010-06-01 at 16.08.39.png___ Pharo-project mailing list

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Geert Claes
I guess a project in an image-based system is not always easily defined. What is a project exactly? Is it a morphic application, a seaside/AIDAWeb/Iliad based web app, a new framework, a shared component? Which part of the image needs to be in the project? Maybe I am wrong here but with the

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Projects as described might be similar to Dolphin's IdeaSpace. For whatever reason, I never liked them very much, so I am not the best person to comment. What I found most effective was to have filters on browsers so they would show me only subsets of the image and were easily launched from a

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
I think you are missing the OP's point. The goal (unless I am missing something) is to have a way to open say four browsers on specific classes and methods and maybe a workspace or two to work on one particular project/task, and to do the same for other tasks. All of this stuff would remain

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Juan, This is __really__ cool. Cheers, Alexandre On 2 Jun 2010, at 08:16, Juan Vuletich wrote: Lukas Renggli wrote: Hi Juan, This looks really exiting! How do you get the actual pixels drawn? Is this implemented in Smalltalk? Did you write primitives to do that? Are you using

[Pharo-project] New Pharo1.1 ?

2010-06-02 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi! Can we get a new version of Pharo 1.1 based on the latest core? I can produce it if necessary. Cheers, Alexandre ___ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Tudor Girba
Actually, this is beyond cool :) Doru On 2 Jun 2010, at 17:42, Alexandre Bergel wrote: Hi Juan, This is __really__ cool. Cheers, Alexandre On 2 Jun 2010, at 08:16, Juan Vuletich wrote: Lukas Renggli wrote: Hi Juan, This looks really exiting! How do you get the actual pixels drawn? Is

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Jochen Riekhof
The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I... Yep, thank you Sean - this more or less nails it. Squeak projects are

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Projects as described might be similar to Dolphin's IdeaSpace. For whatever reason, I never liked them very much, so I am not the best person to comment. I share with Bill that I never use IdeaSpaces in Dolphin. However, IdeaSpaces are very different from Squeak projects as they just

Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo1.1 ?

2010-06-02 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
I will, after the Sprint of this weekend. I already asked Stef to generate a PharoCore 1.1 beta2 at the end of the Sprint. After that, I will produce a PharoDev on top of that ;) Cheers Mariano On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@inria.frwrote: Hi! Can we get

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Ramon Leon
On 6/2/2010 3:30 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: I was just going to say the same. I have tons of images. Just duplicate an image and you have a new project. No need for a brittle mechanism inside the image. Cheers, Adrian Same here, images are projects. I never liked the squeak project

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Douglas Brebner
On 02/06/2010 12:43, Juan Vuletich wrote: Hi Folks, I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It includes new rendering algorithms I developed that produce unparalleled visual quality. Really. This is the best 2d rendering

[Pharo-project] MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial + ProfStefBrowser really cool

2010-06-02 Thread laurent laffont
Hi, I've just created a ConfigurationOfScamper using MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial (see http://code.google.com/p/metacello/) in ProfStefBrowser, it's really funny. Can MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial be included in Pharo (Dev) 1.1 ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2010/6/2 Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu I think you are missing the OP's point. The goal (unless I am missing something) is to have a way to open say four browsers on specific classes and methods and maybe a workspace or two to work on one particular project/task, and to do the same

Re: [Pharo-project] MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial + ProfStefBrowser really cool

2010-06-02 Thread Dale Henrichs
laurent laffont wrote: Hi, I've just created a ConfigurationOfScamper using MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial (see http://code.google.com/p/metacello/) in ProfStefBrowser, it's really funny. Can MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial be included in Pharo (Dev) 1.1 ? Cheers, Laurent

[Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi all Imagine that we would like to sell pharo (+ seaside) as THE agile platform for doing TDD. What would be the changes that we could do support it. I know that hernan did a package for that but not I would like to have a new list of items to support it. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial + ProfStefBrowser really cool

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I hope :) Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 PM, laurent laffont wrote: Hi, I've just created a ConfigurationOfScamper using MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial (see http://code.google.com/p/metacello/) in ProfStefBrowser, it's really funny. Can MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial be

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Mariano Abel Coca
+1 Images are projects, I'm agree with that. But having multiple worlds is like having a multiple desktop layout. Why are them in Mac and Linux? Because it's useful. Cheers, Mariano. 2010/6/2 Denis Kudriashov dionisi...@gmail.com 2010/6/2 Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu I think you

[Pharo-project] moose 4.0

2010-06-02 Thread Tudor Girba
Hello, We are extremely happy to announce version 4.0 of the Moose Suite: http://moosetechnology.org/download This is the first fully open source release of Moose: it is based on Pharo 1.0 (released under MIT), and all its components are available under a BSD or MIT license. WHAT'S NEW

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Adrian Lienhard
hehe, I never use Spaces in OS X. They don't work for me (often, windows open in the wrong space and hence I quickly mess up and it just gets annoying because I don't find what I am looking for). Instead, I use multiple machines! just kidding ;) cu on Saturday at the sprint, Adrian On Jun

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

2010-06-02 Thread Alexandre Bergel
I have never been able to distinguish my workplace from home. I therefore have just one place, where I both live and work. Instead, I frequently change countries. Just (half) kidding ;-) Cheers, Alexandre On 2 Jun 2010, at 15:54, Adrian Lienhard wrote: hehe, I never use Spaces in OS X.

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Richard Durr
Woah, cool. ^^ On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Douglas Brebner squeakli...@fang.demon.co.uk wrote: On 02/06/2010 12:43, Juan Vuletich wrote: Hi Folks, I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It includes new rendering

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Using WebClient

2010-06-02 Thread Germán Arduino
Unfortunately the customer cancelled the project (He selected an automation solution using ActiveX, but automating the IE. My proposal was talking directly with the http server and make a service and so, but wellare the business :) ). Anyway I got very interested by this topic and will try to

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Guillermo Polito
Today's debugger (and all pharo indeed), is extremely dependant on the mouse... I would love to do all the same with just the keyboard :( On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.frwrote: Hi all Imagine that we would like to sell pharo (+ seaside) as THE agile

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Alexandre Bergel
The problems that I would like to see Pharo address are: - redundancies in unit tests - coverage of tests - classification of low and high levels of tests (implementation tests vs user stories) What are the tools to identify and solve this issues ? Research is needed :-) Alexandre On 2

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Germán Leiva
I'm thinking out load here ... In the debugger when a DNU is raised, for speeding up the programming in *TDD mode**:* - The create button must add the method in the class of the receiver, the possibility to choose a superclass of the receiver must be optional (I don't like the recurrent

[Pharo-project] Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

2010-06-02 Thread DeNigris Sean
I have never been able to distinguish my workplace from home. I therefore have just one place, where I both live and work. Instead, I frequently change countries. Just (half) kidding ;-) lol! It seems like I (and the OP?) maybe never really got projects, and so never experienced the dark

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Imagine that we would like to sell pharo (+ seaside) as THE agile platform for doing TDD. What would be the changes that we could do support it. Coming from Ruby, it seemed like BDD was taking over the world, and was the next step in TDD evolution, but I found few

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Denis Kudriashov
I use Mockery - my implementation SSpec idies. It is realy more powerfull, transparency and flexibility. With Mockery you dont need any special base classes for TestCases or mocks factory variables in code. You just use mocks where you want by Block creation scenarios: [:mock | [sut doWith:

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: SUnit Time out

2010-06-02 Thread Chris Muller
Thanks for clarifying your goals w.r.t. introducing the timeout. I think that's important because, as I've said, legacy tests that live in external packages are affected. I read your whole note a few times, and one part in particular stuck out to me as a potentially useful use-case for test-case

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Juan Vuletich
Douglas Brebner wrote: On 02/06/2010 12:43, Juan Vuletich wrote: Hi Folks, I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It includes new rendering algorithms I developed that produce unparalleled visual quality. Really. This is

Re: [Pharo-project] Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
there is a key point in all this thread. we are not against ideas. We loved etoys and I did more presentations about it than probably 95% of the squeakers population now we do not like its implementation because it hurts us. Same for projects. Simple. Stef On Jun 2,

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Germán Leiva wrote: I'm thinking out load here ... In the debugger when a DNU is raised, for speeding up the programming in TDD mode: • The create button must add the method in the class of the receiver, the possibility to choose a superclass of the

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Imagine that we would like to sell pharo (+ seaside) as THE agile platform for doing TDD. What would be the changes that we could do support it. Coming from Ruby, it seemed like BDD was taking over the

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
do you happen to know tim mckinnon? Stef On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: I use Mockery - my implementation SSpec idies. It is realy more powerfull, transparency and flexibility. With Mockery you dont need any special base classes for TestCases or mocks factory

Re: [Pharo-project] About TDD and Pharo

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
what is important for me is that we distinguish what is related to the UI flow from the loading of a specific tests libraries. RIght now I would like to concentrate on UI flow and tools interaction. Stef On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

2010-06-02 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
finishing something is always taking time and this is great to see you making progress on that front. For the PhD it could be full time job to sell that. Did you identify potential research group? Stef Douglas Brebner wrote: On 02/06/2010 12:43, Juan Vuletich wrote: Hi Folks, I'm new to