Re: [Pharo-project] how to load rb in pharo 1.4?

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Yep, got it. Thanks. Doru On 14 Feb 2012, at 03:01, Camillo Bruni wrote: AFAIK it's called ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser in the Metacello repos ... spec className: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; versionString: #'stable';

Re: [Pharo-project] bug? Lazy Class creation via method saving not stored in recent changes log

2012-02-14 Thread Max Bareis
Hi Stef, this is also easy to create with the same steps in 1.4a 14329 save your image create ClassA create ClassAmethodA with: ClassB methodB save it choose define new class press OK on the Information Required Box and check the recover lost changes. There should be one entry regarding the

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: Amazon Cloud even has widely installed memcached, hat works also as httpd cache, preventing any Apache webserver and indirect Pharo Webserver from seeing any http/get request. This is wrong. Again. So, i am NOT surprised, that any of

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Stefan Marr
On 14 Feb 2012, at 01:57, Guido Stepken wrote: Amazon Cloud even has widely installed memcached, hat works also as httpd cache, preventing any Apache webserver and indirect Pharo Webserver from seeing any http/get request. So, i am NOT surprised, that any of those Pharoers doesn't want

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
I've got best connections to top 500 enterprise and deciders in germany. Sure. :-) I would be pleased to present them a Seaside Shop, running on Pharo, PostgreSql or Magma behind, ready to run from within one image. Pharo is far from what we dream about but we are serious about it

[Pharo-project] Installing Spoon and programming a remote image

2012-02-14 Thread Lawson English
This tutorial only shows how to install Spoon on Mac OS X. Very cumbersome currently, but Craig hopes to have it refined ASAP. I thought people could start playing with it NOW, so that he can get feedback immediately. Installing Spoon (Squeak smalltalk extension) on Mac OS X:

Re: [Pharo-project] [BUG]UndefinedObject(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #asSocketAddress

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 13, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: Thanks for the bug report, Alexis. Part of the solution is to change the last line of NetNameResolver classaddressForName:timeout: to ^ result ifNotNil: [ result asSocketAddress ] But I don't like

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guido If it helps to insult please do this is free and cheap. You did not even reply to a basic one: how VW compares? None of your past emails got any verifiable information. Too bad. Sven company is exactly using pharo as server, so this contradicts a bit your points but the key

Re: [Pharo-project] how to load rb in pharo 1.4?

2012-02-14 Thread Jimmie Houchin
On 2/13/2012 2:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, I lost track of the latests developments around RB. What is the way to load RB in Pharo 1.4? Cheers, Doru Hello Doru, Below is the content of that thread. Re: Ann: OmniBrowser stable for 1.4 with RB Gofer it squeaksource:

Re: [Pharo-project] bug? Lazy Class creation via method saving not stored in recent changes log

2012-02-14 Thread Max Bareis
Hi Stef, additionally Renaming is also stored only partially in changes log. save your image rename the ClassB of the former example to ClassC via ctrl-click menu. check recover lost changes There you should see the change in the method but not the class rename. Regards Max Am 14.02.2012 um

Re: [Pharo-project] [BUG]FSReference(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #asLowercase

2012-02-14 Thread Alexis Parseghian
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: open a bug report, I'll fix it :) we're getting FSFilesystem slowly into the system... the side effects are that some tools might not completely work :/ http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5291

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 14 Feb 2012, at 09:41, Stefan Marr wrote: While you are at it, add PHP and Ruby into your benchmarks. You will see that the memory consumption of PHP is just outrageous. And the speed of Ruby is legendary... to humor me, please use Ruby 1.8 and compare it to 1.9. Look at what people

Re: [Pharo-project] [BUG]FileDialogWindow(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #directoriesFor:

2012-02-14 Thread Alexis Parseghian
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Alexis Parseghian a.par...@gmail.com wrote: At first, trying to load text into a workspace (from its menu). More generally, any attempt at opening the file dialog. UITheme classexampleDialogs fails with the same. Still worked in update #14284 (previous images

Re: [Pharo-project] a fix to KomServer

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
Any feedback would make me feel cozy inside on valentine's :) Tell me someting! Is it good? Completelly wrong? Am I supposed to fix things? Do you accept patches? Wrong mailing list? On 14 January 2012 13:47, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: oops, looks like I have committed

Re: [Pharo-project] a fix to KomServer

2012-02-14 Thread Göran Krampe
On 02/14/2012 11:13 AM, Milan Mimica wrote: Any feedback would make me feel cozy inside on valentine's :) Tell me someting! Is it good? Completelly wrong? Am I supposed to fix things? Do you accept patches? Wrong mailing list? It was a while since I helped with maintaining Kom and I am a bit

Re: [Pharo-project] NB How can I pass a NULL argument?

2012-02-14 Thread Jan van de Sandt
Hello Stef, I'm using the latest packages from http://www.squeaksource.com/NativeBoostand Pharo version 1.3 Jan. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks for the question. Which version do you use? Stef Hello list, I want to call

Re: [Pharo-project] NB How can I pass a NULL argument?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 13 February 2012 22:40, Jan van de Sandt jvdsa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, I want to call the following C function using NativeBoost: const char* uenum_next(UEnumeration * en, int32_t * resultLength, UErrorCode * status) According to the (icu4c) documentation you can pass NULL for

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 01:57, Guido Stepken gstep...@googlemail.com wrote: Amazon Cloud even has widely installed memcached, hat works also as httpd cache, preventing any Apache webserver and indirect Pharo Webserver from seeing any http/get request. So, i am NOT surprised, that any of those

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Ahh, I am so upset with this thread. It's not the content that upsets me, but the fact that my pointing out that Pharo has a super-linear evolution went unnoticed due to all the trolling activity. So, let me mention it again One should not presume much about Pharo because its evolution

Re: [Pharo-project] how to load rb in pharo 1.4?

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks. My question was about RB because I need it separately from the user interface. But, I got it under control now :) Cheers, Doru On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Jimmie Houchin jlhouc...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/13/2012 2:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, I lost track of the latests

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 12:59, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Ahh, I am so upset with this thread. It's not the content that upsets me, but the fact that my pointing out that Pharo has a super-linear evolution went unnoticed due to all the trolling activity. So, let me mention it again

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14330

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
14330 - Issue 5291: FSReference(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #asLowercase http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5291 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Ah, thanks. I feel better now :) Doru On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 12:59, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Ahh, I am so upset with this thread. It's not the content that upsets me, but the fact that my pointing out that

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
Why you think it didn't noticed? I even spent time learning what is 'super-linear' means. :) You're right that if taking a single individual, and his contribution to Pharo , it is of course always linear. I think even alone you be non-linear. And the secret is: feedback loops. So imagine

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Yuppee, I am actually happy now :) Doru On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: Why you think it didn't noticed? I even spent time learning what is 'super-linear' means.  :) You're right that if taking a single individual, and his contribution to

Re: [Pharo-project] how to load rb in pharo 1.4?

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:01 AM, Camillo Bruni wrote: AFAIK it's called ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser in the Metacello repos ... spec className: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; versionString: #'stable'; repository:

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi doru can you explain this sentence and implications for single minded people :) Stef One should not presume much about Pharo because its evolution super-linear, and we all know how poor we are at estimating such super-linear models

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: Improving a system allows you do do things *faster*, and even, at some point, do things that where impossible without the improvement. (regardless how much time and intelligence you have). *That* is non-linear progress. YES. This is why

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger hanging... was Re: 1.4 - better from Jenkins

2012-02-14 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Sig, Has there been any decision/update on this? One good suggestion to get to the bottom of my problem is to set a breakpoint in the snapshot code. But, I currently have little faith that this will reveal an offender, because one of the early symptoms of my images going bad is that

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger hanging... was Re: 1.4 - better from Jenkins

2012-02-14 Thread Henrik Johansen
My bad; I meant the InputEventFetcher, the effect is the same. Cheers, Henry On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 13 February 2012 12:55, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Ben Coman wrote: While I was working towards

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Well... this is an example of what the thread was about at the beginning... that is, the lack of knowledge on software development... I you have known a little bit about architecture, multi-threading and vm implementation, you would quickly realize that pharo will not scale as a server. Squeak

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14331

2012-02-14 Thread Marcus Denker
14331 - Issue 5291: FSReference(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #asLowercase http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5291 Issue 5294: Remove the Send bug report by Mail from Debugger http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5294 -- Marcus Denker --

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 15:07, Hernan Wilkinson hernan.wilkin...@10pines.com wrote: Well... this is an example of what the thread was about at the beginning... that is, the lack of knowledge on software development... I you have known a little bit about architecture, multi-threading and vm

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Am 14.02.2012 16:57, schrieb Igor Stasenko: On 14 February 2012 15:07, Hernan Wilkinson hernan.wilkin...@10pines.com wrote: Well... this is an example of what the thread was about at the beginning... that is, the lack of knowledge on software development... I you have known a little bit about

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger hanging... was Re: 1.4 - better from Jenkins

2012-02-14 Thread Ben Coman
The error I reported here should not affect your using a breakpoint #snapshot:andQuit in to debug this. Just avoid clicking restart in the debugger for #snapshot:andQuit: For your problem with the debugger, here is how I would go about it. 1. Check if any failures occur with TestRunner on

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 17:07, Guido Stepken gstep...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.02.2012 16:57, schrieb Igor Stasenko: On 14 February 2012 15:07, Hernan Wilkinson hernan.wilkin...@10pines.com  wrote: Well... this is an example of what the thread was about at the beginning... that is, the lack

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Lawrence Kellogg
Do you recall a talk Alan gave some years back at Stanford? He was on a good rant about how our computer science/engineering departments had let themselves be turned into Java certification mills, and ultimately uttered the words what has happened to the mighty Standford? I was a little

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Hi Igor! This is not the point. Modern architectures have different goals in mind. Projected on Pharo, it means that: 1. Make Pharo nonblocking. Remove any locking, completely. 2. Make Pharo fast. Use in situ algorithms, avoid any copying of data, objects, whatever. 3. Make Pharo overload proof.

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Gary Chambers
Thankfully I did Smalltalk (V/DOS) at university, not looked back since... Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Lawrence Kellogg To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really

[Pharo-project] Nautilus Refactorings

2012-02-14 Thread Benjamin
Hello guys, I know a some of you are waiting for the integration of the RB engine into Nautilus. Some of them are already implemented, so if you wanna test them, here is the gofer script Gofer new url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Nautilus'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus';

[Pharo-project] cannot add repository in monticello

2012-02-14 Thread Fabrizio Perin
Hi, I just tried to add a new repository in Monticello and I got an error: the error is: MessageNotUndestood: FileDialogWindowdirectoriesFor: the repository I wanted to add was a directory. It seems to work in the case you want to add a HTTP repository. The problem happen on the last Moose

Re: [Pharo-project] cannot add repository in monticello

2012-02-14 Thread Matias Garcia Isaia
Fabrizio, can you confirm if it's the same issue that happens with http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5292 ? There's a slice there, maybe you can try if that fixes your problem. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just tried to

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 18:17, Guido Stepken gstep...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Igor! This is not the point. Modern architectures have different goals in mind. Projected on Pharo, it means that: 1. Make Pharo nonblocking. Remove any locking, completely. 2. Make Pharo fast. Use in situ

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus Refactorings

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks benjamin. Stef Hello guys, I know a some of you are waiting for the integration of the RB engine into Nautilus. Some of them are already implemented, so if you wanna test them, here is the gofer script Gofer new url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Nautilus';

[Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. We will have to brand these vms because the situation is getting difficult. I do not imagine how we can track these problems. Stef

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
2012/2/14 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com Now seriously, do you really think that people here are not considered all of things you listed, and not trying to improve things in those directions? Don't see benchmarks anywhere on Pharo Homepage, even the 1.3 Image was not up to date for long

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Hi! My suggestion: Drop COGVM. Expecially in the One click Image. Bad for Pharos reputation at that point of development. LLVM is much better choice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7-Mjx6khr8 Very interesting to see Squeak/Pharo running in CHROME. With native client bridge, so objects, data

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread laurent laffont
Some crashes on Windows here too with Pharo 1.3 and CogVM from Pharo website. Especially when the .image is on a windows network share. Laurent On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 19:36, Guido Stepken gstep...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/2/14 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com Now seriously, do you really think that people here are not considered all of things you listed, and not trying to improve things in those directions? Don't see benchmarks

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Known Windows oplocks problem. Disable caching, re-activate oplocks 2012/2/14 laurent laffont laurent.laff...@gmail.com Some crashes on Windows here too with Pharo 1.3 and CogVM from Pharo website. Especially when the .image is on a windows network share. Laurent On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Get the development process developed!

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported at least 10 times per week since the last 6 months. The VMs of

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 19:50, Guido Stepken gstep...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi! My suggestion: Drop COGVM. Expecially in the One click Image. Bad for Pharos reputation at that point of development. LLVM is much better choice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7-Mjx6khr8 Very interesting to see

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus Refactorings

2012-02-14 Thread Noury Bouraqadi
Cool. I'll give it a try. I'm like mariano, luc and other waiting for RB support to start using Nautilus as the default browser. Noury On 14 févr. 2012, at 18:39, Benjamin wrote: Hello guys, I know a some of you are waiting for the integration of the RB engine into Nautilus. Some of

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Lukas Renggli
students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported at least 10 times per week since the last 6 months. The VMs of the one click are FUC.. old and buggy. If nobody have time to make a new one click

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus Refactorings

2012-02-14 Thread Benjamin
Basically, the infrastructure is here. But I still have to copy and past each menu entry :) It's long and a bit boring, but it's easy to do ^^ Ben On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: Cool. I'll give it a try. I'm like mariano, luc and other waiting for RB support to start

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported at least 10 times per week since the last 6 months. The

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 20:04, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported at least 10 times per week since the last 6 months. The VMs of the one click are FUC.. old and

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
Am 14.02.2012 um 20:10 schrieb Igor Stasenko What is LLVM? Here , read: The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines, though it does provide helpful libraries that

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 14.02.2012 um 20:01 schrieb Guido Stepken: Get the development process developed! Guido, you seem to have interest in Pharo, even if it doesn't fit your needs today. You also seem to have the right connections and money. What about turning this into something positive for you, your

[Pharo-project] Who can help for the pharo web site

2012-02-14 Thread stephane ducasse
Hi guys Adrian left and now I cannot manage the pharo web site. I need help because I do not understand how to edit it. Today by accident I removed the (broken) twitter box. So what do we do? I was thinking to port everything in plain static html so that I can edit the pages fast and easy. I

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 20:22, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported at least 10 times per week since the last 6 months. The VMs of the one click are

[Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
This is more of a GC theory question perhaps, but I do have practical problems, so: I'm trying to figure out how come my headless Pharo 1.3 image with fairly recent Cog running Magma ran out of Semaphores. I know there is a fixed limit on number of semaphores Cog can handle, and only Magma and RFB

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Milan, On 14 Feb 2012, at 21:01, Milan Mimica wrote: This is more of a GC theory question perhaps, but I do have practical problems, so: I'm trying to figure out how come my headless Pharo 1.3 image with fairly recent Cog running Magma ran out of Semaphores. I know there is a fixed limit

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread S Krish
Over the past three years, I have learnt that the one biggest skill all of us have to develop is to see and gain from the positive side of everything and everyone. The quick poring through this chain, makes me feel there is lot we can gain from the most blunt critics, unjust as it might feel. The

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
On 14 February 2012 21:09, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: There was a semaphore related problem in 1.3 that was fixed some time ago. Doing regular image saves was one of the factors involved. Search the mailing list or issues list for semaphore. Nah, leaking one semaphore per

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Guido Stepken
The development process of Pharo needs to be developed! There *are* hundreds of Smalltalkers outside, *unused resources*, a few dozen of enterprises paying *millions* of dollars each year on licensing cost for VS, VA, GEMSTONE, *unused money for Pharo development* Get the development process

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
let us know because we should address that or at least documented it and be aware of the problem. Tx On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Milan Mimica wrote: On 14 February 2012 21:09, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: There was a semaphore related problem in 1.3 that was fixed some time

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Tobias Pape
Am 2012-02-14 um 21:25 schrieb Guido Stepken: The development process of Pharo needs to be developed! There *are* hundreds of Smalltalkers outside, *unused resources*, a few dozen of enterprises paying *millions* of dollars each year on licensing cost for VS, VA, GEMSTONE, *unused money

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread S Krish
I must correct some notions.. the time I hope is right for that... In India a Smalltalk developer is about 600$/Month. Fully qualified. I am sorry to point out.. if you pay in peanuts, you will attract monkeys..!... It costs upwards of 2500$ / mo now..! Just the remuneration add the office costs

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
d o.O b so cool tobias I like O_o too.

[Pharo-project] troubles with glamour finder in pharo 1.4

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, We are almost done with getting Glamour work on 1.4. The model works, and most of the rendering is fine as well. The only major trouble is with the rendering of the finder. In particular, the problem is the scrolling through the panes. The scrolling code was basically copied from OB

Re: [Pharo-project] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Haupt
... AFAIC it boils down to: meh. Michael P.S.: Ever heard of Terminator Syndrome? Am 14.02.2012 um 21:36 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: d o.O b so cool tobias I like O_o too.

Re: [Pharo-project] NB How can I pass a NULL argument?

2012-02-14 Thread Jan van de Sandt
I started with a new image and loaded ConfigurationOfNativeBoost. But it's still not working. First I do a call to get a handle: UEnumeration* ucal_openTimeZones(UErrorCode * ec) self nbCall: #( void* ucal_openTimeZones_48( ICUErrorCodeNB* anErrorCode ) ) module: 'libicui18n.dylib' This call

Re: [Pharo-project] cannot add repository in monticello

2012-02-14 Thread Fabrizio Perin
Hi, the error described is different but surely related because I loaded the slice and yes, the problem was solved. Thanks Matias. Cheers, Fabrizio 2012/2/14 Matias Garcia Isaia mgarciais...@gmail.com Fabrizio, can you confirm if it's the same issue that happens with

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 14 Feb 2012, at 21:21, Milan Mimica wrote: On 14 February 2012 21:09, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: There was a semaphore related problem in 1.3 that was fixed some time ago. Doing regular image saves was one of the factors involved. Search the mailing list or issues list

Re: [Pharo-project] troubles with glamour finder in pharo 1.4

2012-02-14 Thread Benjamin
If you tell me how to load the code easily, and where to have a look, I can do that ;) Ben On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, We are almost done with getting Glamour work on 1.4. The model works, and most of the rendering is fine as well. The only major trouble is with

Re: [Pharo-project] NB How can I pass a NULL argument?

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 22:59, Jan van de Sandt jvdsa...@gmail.com wrote: I started with a new image and loaded ConfigurationOfNativeBoost. But it's still not working. First I do a call to get a handle: UEnumeration* ucal_openTimeZones(UErrorCode * ec) self nbCall: #( void*

Re: [Pharo-project] Who can help for the pharo web site

2012-02-14 Thread laurent laffont
Stef, I've added http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute To create a new page in Community, I've selected community block then clic on insert Subpage in the top menu. If you don't feel to add it on the website yourself, you can send me the content by mail and I will add it.

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
Just in time. Before leaving home last week Friday, i sketched things to be checked on next week. And one of them was: - turning an external semaphore table to hold semaphores weakly. The problem that currently a Smalltalk externalSemaphoreTable is an Array, means that even if in the rest of

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
Ah great! I knew something weird was going on. It will be much easier to detect possible semaphore leakage once the VM itself stops leaking them. On 14 February 2012 22:38, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: Just in time. Before leaving home last week Friday, i sketched things to be

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 14 February 2012 23:45, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: Ah great! I knew something weird was going on. It will be much easier to detect possible semaphore leakage once the VM itself stops leaking them. VM cannot leak semaphores because their lifetime are controlled by image. The

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 20:22, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where… and used pharo1.3 and some experienced crashes. This has been reported

[Pharo-project] Usable state PharoMorphicView

2012-02-14 Thread S Krish
Now I hope it should load and work fine for the first look at a simpler morphic UI construction.. Will hunker down and work on a plan.. this point onwards.. There is a bigger pie to cut .. n eat .. this is just a piece in the jigsaw or is replaced by a more competent piece.. but for now this is

Re: [Pharo-project] Feedback from lecture :(

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 15 February 2012 00:03, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 20:22, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote: students in the lecture on windows downloaded cogvm I do not from where…

[Pharo-project] annoying press ok when running tests (not headless)

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
i started tests and leaved image for a while, but when i went back hoping that it already finished, i discovered that it waiting for me to press ok and did not ran even 20% of all tests. Somewhere in GoferOperationTesttestMerge it says 'No changes' and waits for the user to press 'ok' -- Best

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
On 14 February 2012 22:55, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: semaphores collect: [:sema | sema - (sema pointersTo reject: [:ptr | ptr == arr or: [ptr == semaphores ] ] ) ] Can you try invoking it on your image , look for those who has an empty array, which will

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 15 February 2012 00:54, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 22:55, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: semaphores collect: [:sema |        sema -                (sema pointersTo reject: [:ptr | ptr == arr or: [ptr == semaphores ] ] ) ] Can you try

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 15 February 2012 01:11, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 February 2012 00:54, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 22:55, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: semaphores collect: [:sema |        sema -                (sema pointersTo reject:

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 15 February 2012 01:18, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 February 2012 01:11, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 February 2012 00:54, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2012 22:55, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: semaphores collect:

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Milan Mimica
| semaphores arr res | arr := ExternalSemaphoreTable unprotectedExternalObjects. semaphores := arr reject: #isNil. res := semaphores collect: [:sema | sema pointersTo reject: [:ptr | ptr == arr or: [ptr == semaphores ] ] ]. res := res select: [ :each | each isEmpty ]. res size. Yes, that's what

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
So, what i suggest you to do is to replace Array with WeakArray in ExternalSemaphoreTableclearExternalObjects and restart the image, so change will be put in effect. And report an observation if it cures the problem (and not adds new ones ;). On 15 February 2012 01:23, Milan Mimica

Re: [Pharo-project] garbage collection

2012-02-14 Thread Igor Stasenko
.. and perhaps we should tell Chris to check Magma code about potential leak by preventing unregistering external semaphores. of course, that could be Pharo bug as well. On 15 February 2012 02:11, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: So, what i suggest you to do is to replace Array with

Re: [Pharo-project] troubles with glamour finder in pharo 1.4

2012-02-14 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks, Ben. You can: - load it in Pharo 1.4: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Glamour'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamour'; load. (ConfigurationOfGlamour project version: 'default') load: #('Core' 'Morphic') - or download the ready-made Moose image: