The updated stHub looks good! One thing I noticed is that I get to see the
new 404-lego-head page quite a lot? In the Recently created projects the
following projects are not found: Prototype, Odyssey and MukadePM. Maybe
it's because these projects are not public? Doing a search for something
http://martinfowler.com/bliki/InternalReprogrammability.html
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Probable the best way forward would be to contact the Pharo Google Groups
admin and take over the admin duties
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I think I read that Nico is working at stHub at the moment so I guess
there'll be some new stuff soon
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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote
We have this: http://book.pharo-project.org/
true, although that's not really a wiki because you need to be a contributor
to be able to edit ... not that it is hard to become one :)
ci.inria.fr https://ci.inria.fr looks very nice by the way :)
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Since it is still in beta testing maybe there is still time to consider some
theme-ing to change the default Jenkins look to something nicer (since it
serves more than just Pharo maybe INRIA branded?) ... and yes I know there
are more important things to be done but I wanted to suggest it anyway
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
Nicolas is working on a new version of SmalltalkHub to support
- projects
- private projects so that companies can have less to worry about that
and can use SmalltalkHub for growing their business
The plan is that in two weeks the new version of SHub is
Yes, does it use http://forum.world.st/ANN-Zinc-WebSockets-tp4647191.html ?
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Thought I'd share this here: http://jsoneditoronline.org
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For great presentations make sure you check out the likes of Garr Reynolds,
Nancy Duarte and Guy Kawasaki!
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Whats the feedback so far?
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From what I understand this is because Jenkins (and before that Hudson) has
Japanese roots, where the color for success/go is blue (and green being a
shade of blue).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ao_%28color%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ao_%28color%29
In light of the recent toybox from mattel look feedback on reddit, I reckon
Esteban's proposed icons are a big step forward so I would say get them in
Pharo :)
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/si9s5/pharo_14_released_smalltalk
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Norbert Hartl wrote
Of course, if there is an ugly replacment that can be used if the system
is minimised. Having two icon sets introduces the possibility to make the
ugly one consume even less memory, e.g. make it black and white.
I have no idea what you just tried to say :) When you
Thanks for the clarification Norbert :) Yep, so use the new icons and in a
server environment or when shrinking the image the icons could just be
removed because cuteness is not important there at all.
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Can you clarify what exactly you are asking here Stef? Are you asking why
people work on projects like CUIS and Spoon?
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I noticed the toybox from mattel comment, so its probably a good idea to
make sure the screenshots on the Pharo website at
http://www.pharo-project.org/about/screenshots reflect the current release.
The iPhone screenshot should also use a more recent iPhone to indicate Pharo
is on the ball.
On a
Ok, I have succumbed and will post a quick reply ... although I realize this
looks like one of those threads where a lot of people say we need to do
this ... or ... we need to do what xyz does and as Stef often - and rightly
so - says, don't just talk but roll up your sleeves and do something :)
Göran Krampe wrote
SmalltalkHub has gone through some technical evolution which has taken
some time. Especially various persistence schemes were tested and most of
them ended up problematic, Nicolas tested a LOT of variations I think.
The latest stack looks very promising though - and the
Stéphane Ducasse wrote
I passed the info to nicolas and he will probably reply.
stef
What was Nico's reply?
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Nicolas Petton wrote:
I hope before the end of the year. The next demo will very likely run on
GemStone, then the final app will be hosted by the INRIA.
Good stuff! How about a mirror/failover app that runs at GemStone/VMWare?
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This is cool stuff. I like the logo's Claire has designed ... having said
that I don't really like the Small Harbour site's look and feel
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Excllent!! This sounds awesome. Continue with your effort :)
The alpha public server is at:
Any more news on an estimated timeline for SmalltalkHub?
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
As soon as SmalltalkHub will be usable we will migrate to it.
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Dale Henrichs wrote:
I am currently working on a browser-based IDE for Pharo and GemStone
(should work in any other dialect that supports Seaside ... with a little
effort). It is called 'tODE -the Object (centric) Development
Environment'. I expect to eventually replace the
Janko Mivšek wrote:
1. is this a clear signal that HTML5 for ALL apps, both desktop and the
web is inevitable?
2. is this a clear signal that we need to rebuild Morphic on top of
HTML+CSS, to leverage all Morphic advantages and come back to bleeding
edge again?
I really like the idea
That looks pretty cool!
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I really like the idea Dale! I do realize you are still in the early stages
but from a UI design point of view its a shame the typical back, forward,
home and bookmark Internet browser buttons had to duplicated in the tODE.
Since it is browser based I assume the idea is to allow developers to
Andreas Wacknitz wrote:
...
His biggest complaint is: Why does Pharo always show windows at sizes and
positions I don't want?
...
His second complaint was that he doesn't like the cluttered windows. While
programming he had a lot of open windows and told me that he lost
overview.
...
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
The problem is that this is a company wide installation serving many
projects...
Pharo is just one of them.
But everything is Pharo based and even the URL includes Pharo does it not?
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Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
Yes, the IT services provide infrastructure that creates Jenkins setups.
E.g. we can
request one for RMOD, and there will be one for Rmod.
Yes, we could request them to extend this meta-setup it with changing the
look. But the thing is that
this *We* can not do,
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
And really: Is this important enough to even discuss it?
Of course it is not :)
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No no, I have heard about these network admin nazi's and I feel for you :)
Just forget my suggestion, branding and marketing have never really been
Smalltalk's problem ;)
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Hi Marcus, Maybe you could replace the resource images with the attached
images - replaced Jenkins with Pharo :)
Re-branding:
http://forum.world.st/file/n3540934/title.png title.png
http://forum.world.st/file/n3540934/jenkins.png jenkins.png
http://forum.world.st/file/n3540934/topbar.png
I am happy to announce that Instantions' forum has joined all the other
forums on http://forum.world.st forum.world.st and is now available at
http://forum.world.st/Instantiations-f3404935.html
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Janko Mivšek wrote:
Guys, be patient please, this is alpha release only! I think StHub is
worth waiting a bit more to stabilize and I'm sure Nico and Seb will
manage to do the job.
And you already see how big step forward not to mention all yet to be
explored potential has this hub,
Great stuff! I realize it is still a work in progress so just a couple of
questions:
- How about compare versions?
- Non Smalltalk resource files?
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Nicolas Petton wrote:
- Non Smalltalk resource files?
That's a good question. I don't have an answer for that right now.
Don't get me wrong this is great stuff already but since SmalltalkHub itself
is a web app that uses non-smalltalk resources (javascript, css, images etc)
it would be
Nicolas Petton wrote:
I understand, it would be a good addition.
but how would you manage it?
Dunno, how about in the Source tab, in addition to the section for
(Smalltalk) Packages add a Resources section?
What does everyone else think?
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Tudor Girba wrote:
I know, but it is an issue with the usability and I thought the authors
should know about it :)
Maybe add it as a bug in the SmalltalkHub's issue tracker :)
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I added the new list to forum.world.st at:
http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Issue-Tracker-f3456798.html
I do have one question though, is it possible to remove the Re: prefix to
the items that are automatically posted to that list?
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Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
OK, so if this is a general replacement for Squeaksource, the tagging
issue comes up again. How do we identify which branch of Squeak a package
might be for? And can we maintain forks for those things that
require it?
That's where the ConfigurationOf...'s and
How does one load Nautilus? I tried by adding the nautilus repository and
using the ConfigurationOf on a clean 1.2 OneClick but I get a DNU
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Geert Claes wrote:
How does one load Nautilus? I tried by adding the nautilus repository and
using the ConfigurationOf on a clean 1.2 OneClick but I get a DNU
readStream?
Mmm, seems to be a network issue because I get the same message for other
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I reckon the OneClick should also use this excellent Pharo branded Cog VM :)
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Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
And a Cog version:
https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28439/Pharo-1.2.1-CogOneClick.zip
It would be great if this Windows VM would also have a nice Pharo name/icon
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Nabble had hardware issues and have almost resolved the problem, the forum is
back online but still sorting out the subdomain forum.world.st to point to
the top level forum again. In the mean-time the forum is at:
http://smalltalk.1294792.n4.nabble.com
Apologies for the inconvenience on behalf
forum.world.st is back up again
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
...
We are rewriting from scratch the basic tools
- Browser (Nautilus soon to be announced - with groups, package browsers,
refactorings, may be plugin architecture)
- Finder
- TestRunner (soon)
- MCBrowser
...
Yes, it would be great if it were easier to
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
the key problem is that if people do not jump in the water and decide to
do something then nothing will happen beside reporting what other cool
communities are doing.
I fully agree what you are saying here ... personally I find the Morphic
learning curve waay
It is a bit off topic, but I thought it's some interesting info to share
anyway. I only just now discovered that the company that manages the
top-level domain .st for Säo Tome' and Principe at www.nic.st (e.g. world.st
and seaside.st) is the same company (i.e. Bahnhof AB; www.bahnhof.net) that
Brent Pinkney-2 wrote:
Hi, I am that mental toddler that coded up the ANSI compliant date and
time
package.
Please refer to ANSI spec §5.8.2.11. I promise it will only take a minute.
Instead of a polite enquiry as to why the implementation is such, you had
to
define obvious for
Brent Pinkney-2 wrote:
...
Hell, my initials are all over the code, just ask.
Cheers
Brent the Tolerant and Approachable
No worries, I fully agree with the draft ANSI spec approach and that
everyone should be able to just ask
Geert the diplomat and peace-keeper :)
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Hi Francois, Excellent job again. Just one suggestion, can we use the actual
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Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I expect a windows user to be more satisfied with a typicall installer
that also set up program group, ...
and allows also to uninstall. And this installer download is also smaller
than the OneClick since Linux/Mac VMs are not necessary.
I don't think we need to
I noticed that the .lnk file in the PharoOneClick downloaded from the
ci.pharo-project.org does not work and - correct me if I am wrong - this is
most because Windows shortcut files (.lnk) do not allow relative paths
I just read that VMWare (Gemstone's parent) has just acquired Wavemaker (a
company that I have been following since they were called ActiveGrid) who
make a cloud IDE based on java/springsource (another VMWare acquisition).
I actually thought that Gemstone was in a great position to create a
Francois has posted another nice weekly summary on his blog at
http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be For visibility I thought Dmitri and
Farncois were to be given access to the Pharo website so they can post on
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Dennis Schetinin wrote:
Yes, it works. Thank you!
Great! Dennis, this is probably information more people would want to know
so could you put together a little how-to and share it on the Russian forum?
ps. Does info like this need to go into http://book.pharo-project.org
somewhere?
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I only just looked at the screenshot on http://metacellobrowser.dcc.uchile.cl
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ConfigurationOf why not just drop the ConfigurationOf because that would
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Alexandre Bergel-7 wrote:
I agree. But using the configuration basename instead of the complete name
has some magic feeling to me.
For example, the ConfigurationMetacelloBrowser loads the package
MetacelloBrowser, itself contained in the squeaksource MetacelloBrowser
repository. I feel
csrabak wrote:
Focusing in the squeak/pharo/cuis branch, I've noticed that pharo
people got really concerned in
aspects that can attract market interest. They're looking for
funding, fighting to have hired
people (meaning under wages) minding hairy aspects of development,
Camillo Bruni wrote:
I just figured you cannot use google to program in pharo!!
At least my common approach is to use google to search for some code
snippets in order to fill my overloaded brain.
How about setting up a website, Browse Pharo, which has a simple UI for
browsing the
I just cringed when I read: The Sydney-based Object Consulting has released
a paper detailing those languages which will no longer be supported in the
near future, including the likes of .NET 2.0, J2SE 1.4 and Cold Fusion
(according to Object Consulting they have a three-year shelf life), while
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
My favorite parts were:
“I have seen examples of developers on older technologies like RPG and
Delphi charging twice the rate of a developer on a newer technology.“
Did it ever occur to them that some of these systems (e.g. Smalltalk)
might actually be more
Chris Muller-3 wrote:
how about a file based system and git?
-1.
Hang on, I think we may be missing the point here. There is no need to all
agree or come to a consensus as someone else mentioned here. I would like
to think that Pharo is open minded enough to accept other alternatives.
We would like to invite those Pharoers who have a LinkedIn account to join
our LinkedIn Pharo group.
http://www.linkedin.com/e/hzbhb7-gkawp6l9-36/vgh/2558378/
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Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
63 and counting...
74 and counting
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Nicolas Petton wrote:
...
The reason is that we want to wait until we have a first prototype to show
to the community. We can't ask for feedbacks if we don't have anything to
show.
...
Excellent Nicolas! I think a lot of people are just very keen for Smalltalk
to have a cool, modern
Janko Mivšek wrote:
It would be nice to rebirth back past Squeak People into something like
Smalltalk People on http://people.world.st and use account there for
single sign-on on all other Smalltalk websites, what do you think?
We'd need that for our GSoC site for instance, to avoid that
I only just now noticed the interesting
http://blog.doit.st/2011/02/15/cloudforksso-openid-and-oauth-support-for-smalltalk
cloudforksso post on the seaside forum. Even though SmalltalkSource (if
that will be its new name?) is an
I'll leave in the middle whether or not the Morphic UI Designer is the
right solution for Pharo, but looking at the number of posts in this thread
I do have a feeling that:
1. most do agree that a better way to create the user interface really is
needed
2. there are strong opinions on how this UI
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
@Tobias: Hi, what is the license because the wiki does not say it or I
could not find it.
I reckon the GUI designer would be a nice addition to Pharo? Did you end up
hearing from Tobias about the license?
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Bearded +1
Bearded +1 :)
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Nice, maybe we should rename the tab Tous to All :)
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Maybe we should follow the banner approach like wikipedia and wikileaks :)
http://forum.world.st/file/n3260101/PharoBoardAppeal.png
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A bit of a laugh, it's Friday after all :)
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James Robertson spotted this post:
http://unhandledexpression.com/2011/02/04/smalltalk-for-engineers/
I was especially interested in the statement you don’t understand what you
can/should do ...
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Any news/update on the project ESUG is funding to replace sqs?
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Can we replace the Croquet VM exe file that is bundled in the one-click
images generated using Hudson with a with a Pharo branded one?
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Je zal voornamelijk bij onze klant werken als Smalltalk Developer aan de
ontwikkeling en aanpassing van software voor televisiestations.
Benefits: brutoloon, bedrijfswagen, hospitalisatieverzekering, dagvergoeding
per bij de klant gepresteerde werkdag, gsmabonnement, budget voor
beroepsmatige
Since we are using Hudson I was wondering if anyone has been following
Hudson's issues with Oracle at all?
This is how I understand it; the creator of Hudson (Kohsuke Kawaguchi) and
founder of infradna.com (which has now joined forces with Cloudbees -
offering Hudson support) has had some
Adrian Lienhard wrote:
For convenience, we have set up the following domains:
http://issues.pharo-project.org
http://ci.pharo-project.org
http://book.pharo-project.org
http://wiki.pharo-project.org
That's funny, I was just about to post about having added the following
sub-domain
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
Yes, but sadly the installed version of hudson is too old for this plugin.
(yes, we need to update. I will ask again)
Might as well go for the new Jenkins one then :)
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Might as well go for the new Jenkins one then :)
Marcus Denker-4 wrote:
Yes, but sadly the installed version of hudson is too old for this plugin.
(yes, we need to update. I will ask again)
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For those who have missed
http://astares.blogspot.com/2011/01/seaside-at-fossdem.html Torsten's and
http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView?showComments=trueprintTitle=Seaside_at_FOSDEMentry=3473591155
James' blog posts or the post below on the Seaside mailing list;
Smalltalk/Seaside at FOSDEM
Lukas Renggli wrote:
...
AFAIK, most operating systems number the mouse buttons.
- The primary button is what you use to perform actions (typically left
mouse button).
- The secondary buttons is what you use to open context menu (typically
right mouse button).
- The third button is
Guillermo Polito wrote:
I hate yellowButtonPressed and redButtonPressed and blueButtonPressed
messages.
Why not lefClick, rightClick and middleClick?
I agree that the meaning of the colors is no longer useful, although hate
is maybe a bit harsh :)
Surely this has already been
Ricardo Moran wrote:
I totally agree with the color buttons being really confusing. What's
funny is that it's not even consistent. For instance, preference
swapMouseButtons comment is if true, swaps mouse buttons 2 and 3.
What's
that suppose to mean? Weren't mouse buttons colored?? :)
Just to let everyone know that there seems to be an import problem on our
Nabble forums since yesterday afternoon. Nabble support has been contacted
and I hope things will be back to normal shortly.
Hi Max, Can you tell us a little bit about pharogenesis?
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Hi Max, I just watched your screencast on Vimeo and it does sound
interesting. Could this be the foundation for an alternative for
squeaksource?
ps. Are you a kiwi? :)
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Igor Stasenko wrote:
we're talking about changing single color, not introducing new colors.
And i really don't like the button highlighting in original glamorous
theme..
pale blue to gray gradient makes me vomit, that's why i changed the way
how to indicate 'selected' button appearance,
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I would love to see money raised for doing this kind of startup over
pharo.
I would love to get funding for a vision I've had for years now; a Smalltalk
(Seaside, AIDA or Iliad based) Platform as a Service (intuitive online IDE,
transparent version control,
Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum
I guess it is very subjective and I don't like the look-and-feel of the
theme Glamourous either, having said that, a nice non OSX (nor Windows)
looking theme would be nice too :)
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I reckon a Smalltalk-type Heroku/PHP Fog
(http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/10/php-fog-raises-1-8-million-to-be-the-heroku-of-php)
would be nice :) Would there be a viable business opportunity there or is
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Nick Ager wrote:
there's always EC2 and Gemstone: http://www.vimeo.com/18375790
Yep, I reckon the screencast you made is great ... but ... it's not quite
the same though :)
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Name|Native Language|Greeting in native lang|Born country|Writing from
Geert Claes|Dutch|Hallo/Helaba/Yo|Belgium|Malta
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