[Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?

2011-04-09 Thread Vinyl Visions
I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714

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2011-04-09 Thread john robles
Edison did offer special decoration but that was usually on the metal parts and not on the cabinet. I tend to think some amateur did this, though it is very nice. John Robles --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject:

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2011-04-09 Thread Steve Andersen
I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and

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2011-04-09 Thread Rich
Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen

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2011-04-09 Thread Ward Sandstrom
I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent:

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2011-04-09 Thread Mike Stitt
Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his

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2011-04-09 Thread Vinyl Visions
Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over

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2011-04-09 Thread Rich
He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by

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2011-04-09 Thread john robles
So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:

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2011-04-09 Thread Steven Medved
Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject:

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2011-04-09 Thread Mike Stitt
My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike

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2011-04-09 Thread Jay Horenstein
Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare,

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2011-04-09 Thread Steven Medved
As far as he knows is a very loaded statement. In other words within the realm of his knowledge. He is either a cheat or knows very little. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an

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2011-04-09 Thread Rich
My 0.02 is on a early 50s antique shop with a big pile of these to move out for 15.00ea original and $20.00 decorated. On 04/09/2011 10:13 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on