...@lemur.org Sun Aug 26 17:22:30 2007
From: k...@lemur.org (Ken Danckaert)
Date: Sun Aug 26 17:30:44 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Klingsor machine
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aph4...@aol.com wrote:
If you look
In a message dated 8/26/2007 6:41:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
k...@lemur.org writes:
If you look carefully at the items in the previous auction and the ones
in their new auction, you will see that they are the same. Really odd!
Ken Danckaert
Thanks Ken,
I hadn't looked at the
Hi group,
I just acquired a great old Klingsor phonograph which needs much restoration
and I'm afraid I'm going to need lots of help. This phonograph is a fairly
rare model which includes a dancing doll on a stage above the phonograph--but
unfortunately is missing the doll. I'm afraid
@oldcrank.org
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Klingsor
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:41:14 EDT
Hi group,
I just acquired a great old Klingsor phonograph which needs much
restoration
and I'm afraid I'm going to need lots of help. This phonograph is a
fairly
rare model which includes a dancing
more.
I used to have a Klingsor but could not find any effect on the strings from
the sound.
Good luck anyway and this is really a great machine.
Best regards
Friedhelm
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Subject: [Phono-L] Klingsor
Date: Sun, 11
In a message dated 9/11/2005 9:37:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
nipper...@hotmail.de writes:
Congratulations for this great and rare machine. Very interesting. Please
keep us posted how and when you finish the project.
Regarding tuning of the strings I have read in some publications
In a message dated 9/11/2005 10:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aph4...@aol.com writes:
I just acquired a great old Klingsor phonograph which needs much
restoration
and I'm afraid I'm going to need lots of help
***
Hi
Do you have the original patents? I recall that the
In a message dated 9/12/2005 1:34:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
allena...@aol.com writes:
Hi
Do you have the original patents? I recall that the inventor wanted the
wires to vibrate in harmonic frequency with the music that emanated from the
horn.
Allen
www.phonobooks.com
Hi Allen,
In a message dated 9/12/2005 3:55:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aph4...@aol.com writes:
There's still no indication of how the tuning might be done in PHP. Would
*
Hi
Naturally the full patents contain more detail, but of course, their intent
(Klenk and Krebs) was not to
aph4...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/12/2005 1:34:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
allena...@aol.com writes:
Hi
Do you have the original patents? I recall that the inventor wanted the
wires to vibrate in harmonic frequency with the music that emanated from the
horn.
Allen
I also noticed that they liken it to a zither in the patent...
perhaps you should compare the configuration to that of a zither and
possibly tune it as such?
All that aside, I would find it remarkable if any sympathetic
vibration could occur as described. Put me in the non-believer
Art,
the strings would only vibrate sympathetically and are basically a gimmick,
although a fun one to be sure. When you get it home send me some closeup
pics of the stringing and pins. If they are rusty, etc. I'd just restring
it. I probably have what parts you need sitting in boxes.
Bruce
If anyone (Art?) would like the full patent direct from the uspto.gov
web site, drop me a line... I've compiled it into a neat little
(576k) PDF and will be happy to email it.
Loran
On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
I also noticed that they liken it to a zither in the
In a message dated 9/12/2005 3:27:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
lo...@oldcrank.com writes:
If anyone (Art?) would like the full patent direct from the uspto.gov
web site, drop me a line... I've compiled it into a neat little
(576k) PDF and will be happy to email it.
Loran
,
they ain't gonna sound none too purty.
Best to all,
Robert
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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
In a message dated 9/12/2005 3:27:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
lo
In a message dated 9/12/2005 8:25:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:
As such, I would be very surprised if the strings didn't add a shiny,
strange reverb quality to certain notes coming from the horn. The problem,
musically speaking, would be that the speed
more if I had more info. It sounds so far like the inventors might
not have had specific tunings in mind, even. Maybe the patent might know?
Best,
Robert
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:07 PM
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In a message dated 9/13/2005 2:47:07 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:
Any chance you might post a picture of the part with the strings? I could
tell you more if I had more info. It sounds so far like the inventors might
not have had specific tunings in mind,
and distinctive with the strings intact and in tune, and it's
worth the effort if I can help in any way.
Best,
Robert
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From: aph4...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
In a message dated 9/13/2005 2
All this is very interesting, and the Klingsor is unusual, but I personally
feel that any attempt to tune the strings would be a waste of time. I
believe that the addition of strings was just a marketing gimmick and never
did add anything significant to the sound of the machine. Nevertheless,
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From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
All this is very interesting, and the Klingsor is unusual, but I
personally
feel that any attempt to tune the strings would
Robert Wright wrote:
Incidentally, Art, the strings could possibly be replaced by pulling the
strings needed from a few sets of autoharp strings, which should be readily
available with a little research.
Best,
Robert
Might be a problem there, at least for the wound strings. Autoharp
In a message dated 9/13/2005 6:44:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilenz...@bellsouth.net writes:
All this is very interesting, and the Klingsor is unusual, but I personally
feel that any attempt to tune the strings would be a waste of time. I
believe that the addition of strings was just a
In a message dated 9/13/2005 3:00:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:
In fact, considering the gauges of the strings don't vary wildly, and
neither do the vibrating lengths, there's a good chance that only 1 1/2
octaves were intended to be used, with the strings
In a message dated 9/13/2005 4:44:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
wilenz...@bellsouth.net writes:
All this is very interesting, and the Klingsor is unusual, but I personally
feel that any attempt to tune the strings would be a waste of time. I
believe that the addition of strings was just
List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
Might be a problem there, at least for the wound strings. Autoharp
strings tend to be very long and will need the windings stripped.
Fortunately here's a site that will help you
I've rebuilt pianos for over 40 years and I have to say some of these posts
are hilarious. BTW...piano plates are cast iron.
Bruce
: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:07 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Klingsor
I've rebuilt pianos for over 40 years and I have to say some of these
posts
are hilarious. BTW...piano plates are cast iron.
Bruce
PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
uh, the pot calling the kettle black, or...?
On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Robert Wright wrote:
Exactly my point.
r.
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From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
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From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
uh, the pot calling the kettle black, or...?
On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Robert Wright wrote:
Exactly my
Having hollered at undamped (non-dampened? free?) piano strings (as a kid,
of course!) I am going to guess that the Klingsor strings are too short to
produce an audible effect when a record is played at them. Do let us know
what happens in real life, though !
-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
Having hollered at undamped (non-dampened? free?) piano strings (as a
kid,
of course!) I am going to guess that the Klingsor strings are too short to
produce an audible effect when a record is played
Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor
String length has nothing to do with it. Piano strings are that long
because of the amount of sustain desired (right, Bruce?). Holler
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