Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 1 III
Hi - Thanks for the response. No, I have no intention of doing anything permanent or irreversible. I basically want to add cylinder storage. My III lost its shelf before I got it, and looks awful. From the sounds of things, horn size will be the main issue... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:36 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you get your answer about the III mechanism fitting in a 1-A cabinet? It will install just fine and the crank lines up but it's not correct. The 1-A mechanism is a 24 minute player and mechanically quite different from the 1-B and III mechanism, which are the same. I personally would not take a III mechanism out of its cabinet to install in a 1-A cabinet. If both pieces are lose, it might be OK for the short term. A marriage of parts seems to muddy the water. When it's sold, you are basically selling parts. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
Hi folks If anyone is interested, I am offering a very fine BA of Social and Industrial Justice by Theodore Roosevelt and a 2 minute copy of The Farmer and the Republican Party by William H. Taft for sale here before they go to eBay. The Roosevelt I am asking $100 for, and the Taft $85. The Taft seems to be more scarce then the Roosevelt. I also have a 2 min Columbia of President McKinley's Address at the Panama Exposition by Len Spencer for $50. I have never seem this cylinder before. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
In a message dated 1/11/2011 12:09:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: I also have a 2 min Columbia of President McKinley's Address at the Panama Exposition by Len Spencer -- Hi, is this title inscribed on the cylinder or obtained from the spoken announcement? Are you sure of Panama? Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
It is inscribed, but I will double check the wording when I get home at lunch. -Original Message- From: allena...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:15:57 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s In a message dated 1/11/2011 12:09:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: I also have a 2 min Columbia of President McKinley's Address at the Panama Exposition by Len Spencer -- Hi, is this title inscribed on the cylinder or obtained from the spoken announcement? Are you sure of Panama? Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you direct me? George P. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
How do you explain original machines that have been in the same family since new that have mismatched works? There are different shades of mechanisms and for what those machines cost originally people were picky. If you expect to find a period written record good luck. On 01/11/2011 11:46 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you direct me? George P. -Original Message- From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
In a message dated 1/11/2011 12:23:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
john9...@pacbell.net writes:
It is inscribed, but I will double check the wording ('Panama') when I get
home at lunch.
-Original Message-
doing some mind-reading here, how about:
Pan-American exposition (1901)
Allen
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
I guess one has to define mismatched works... An Amberola 1A mechansim serial number matches a corresponding nameplate which is affixed to the cabinet. Cabinets are stamped with a different number which is on the lid, main cabinet, and on the doors. Without the nameplate on the cabinet, nobody can prove if the mechansim was or was not originally with the cabinet. I would think the only reason why a nameplate matching the mechanism would be put on the machine in the first place would be for warranty consideration. I cannot see a dealer swapping the mechansim without also swapping the nameplate if the machine was brand new. I could see a dealer swapping out a mechansim without the nameplate if the machine was used and out of warranty. That being said, If the cabinet nameplate doesn't match the mechanism, then one or the other was replaced after the machine was new. If the mechanism serial number doesn't match the stamped number on the various cabinet parts, thats perfectly normal. Steve On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Rich wrote: How do you explain original machines that have been in the same family since new that have mismatched works? There are different shades of mechanisms and for what those machines cost originally people were picky. If you expect to find a period written record good luck. On 01/11/2011 11:46 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you direct me? George P. -Original Message- From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
Yeah that's probably it!!
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In a message dated 1/11/2011 12:23:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
john9...@pacbell.net writes:
It is inscribed, but I will double check the wording ('Panama') when I get
home at lunch.
-Original Message-
doing some mind-reading here, how about:
Pan-American exposition (1901)
Allen
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
No, I don't expect to find a period written record. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:54 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards How do you explain original machines that have been in the same family since new that have mismatched works? There are different shades of mechanisms and for what those machines cost originally people were picky. If you expect to find a period written record good luck. On 01/11/2011 11:46 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you direct me? George P. -Original Message- From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Amberola III
I have one available if anyone is interested - contact me off-list Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
I have a 1B mech in a 1A cabinet that was original as far as the original owners family could remember. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
The theory is that the cabinet numbers all match and the cabinet number matches the serial number plate and the mechanism serial number. I have seen way too many of these machines that have verifiable provenance where the mech sn and the plate sn match but they do not match the cabinet. I have also seen the case where they all do match. there are collectors who will tell you that a requirement of the patent laws of the period required all numbers to match when the piece left the factory. I have no recollection of ever seeing that in print in a period publication though. On 01/11/2011 12:21 PM, Steve Andersen wrote: I guess one has to define mismatched works... An Amberola 1A mechansim serial number matches a corresponding nameplate which is affixed to the cabinet. Cabinets are stamped with a different number which is on the lid, main cabinet, and on the doors. Without the nameplate on the cabinet, nobody can prove if the mechansim was or was not originally with the cabinet. I would think the only reason why a nameplate matching the mechanism would be put on the machine in the first place would be for warranty consideration. I cannot see a dealer swapping the mechansim without also swapping the nameplate if the machine was brand new. I could see a dealer swapping out a mechansim without the nameplate if the machine was used and out of warranty. That being said, If the cabinet nameplate doesn't match the mechanism, then one or the other was replaced after the machine was new. If the mechanism serial number doesn't match the stamped number on the various cabinet parts, thats perfectly normal. Steve On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Rich wrote: How do you explain original machines that have been in the same family since new that have mismatched works? There are different shades of mechanisms and for what those machines cost originally people were picky. If you expect to find a period written record good luck. On 01/11/2011 11:46 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I'd be most grateful to see period documentation of that practice. Can you direct me? George P. -Original Message- From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixingmatching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards
The original owners are long dead unless you consider someone born around 1920 to parents that bought the edison who is still alive to be an original owner. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards There have been several recoded cases of that marriage with evidence that it is original. Keep in mind that as cylinders were displaced by disk records these machines went to the refurbishers and were resold as new-used machines through the catalog stores. Th old cylinder machines became trade-ins or sold outright. Probably late teens and early 20s period which would make the original owners close to 90 now. On 01/11/2011 02:50 PM, c5...@aol.com wrote: I have a 1B mech in a 1A cabinet that was original as far as the original owners family could remember. -Original Message- From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Seems that after many of those machines left the factory the retail dealers swapped the mechanisms to make customers happy with the color of the machine. On 01/11/2011 10:54 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: See my prior response, plus...my III mech and cabinet already have mismatched numbers... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:44 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jerry is correct about mixing a 1A and a III, but a 1B uses the same mechanism as the III. Even so, the number stamped into the III mechanism will not match that on the 1A/B cabinet. This sort of mixing matching permanently separates mechanisms and cabinets, preventing the proper restoration of the original machines. I'd advise against it. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraserpjfra...@mac.com To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola I vs III innards Does anyone happen to know how much difference there is between the guts of an Amberola I and a III? Hoping to do a swap into a Amberola I cabinet from a messed up III I have... Thanks... -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] amberola cabinets
I woud retore the III cabinet at all costs, the shelf is not hard to duplicate. My A-150 dd had a missing shelf, and I made a new one with a mahogany board, and made a stencil of another machine and duplicated it. Many f these cabinets are almost black and very bubbed, restore it! The 150 is one of my fave cabinets. The 1-A is a belt driven machine with a motor similar to a mdel F or G triumph, I had an opera and I-A in the shop at the same time. Rebuilt both the M and L reproducers on them too. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Long pin for Edison 2/4 min standard and set scew for Edison mandrel gear
I am looking for an Edison long pin for the large gear and the set screw for the mandrel gear for my 2/4 min model B Standard. any help will be greatly appreciated. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
Hi John, I would love the Taft cylinder at your price. Let me know. Art Heller aph4...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s
Hi Art It sold earlier. The Roosevelt cylinder is all that's left. Thanks John --Original Message-- From: aph4...@aol.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s Sent: Jan 11, 2011 3:41 PM Hi John, I would love the Taft cylinder at your price. Let me know. Art Heller aph4...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Matching serial numbers
What I said was the mech and tag match but those 2 do not match the cabinet numbers even though all of the cabinet numbers do match each of the other cabinet numbers. It is a given that the mech has been changed if it fails to match the tag on the case. And as you said, many mechanisms were replaced due to wear and failure. The lubricants of the period were not up to the task in any way so parts failed. On 01/11/2011 07:20 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote: If a machine, such as a big Amberola, has been in the same family since new and the serial number on the mechanism does not match the ID tag, I would suspect that the mechanism was swapped out near the end of its useful life span. Lets say a Amberola 1-B was sold new in 1913 and saw continued use until being replaced by a radio in 1928. In 1923, the spring broke and it was cheaper to replace the entire mechanism with one from a parts machine rather than install a new spring. It's only my best guess that this happened more often than something being swapped out when new. * As a side note to my story... The Amberola was moved to the attic in 1928 and sat there until Mike Stitt bought it in 1985 for $500. He kept all the 5000 series cylinders that were bought in the 1920s and sold me the machine for $1500. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison GEM reproducer
Group. I have a early Edison GEM model A phonograph missing the special GEM reproducer. Does anyone have one they would sell. Thanks Ward Sandstrom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board
Bob: The back panel is still stuck fast but you can see in my earlier reply to this thread that I used suggestions of several members to get the motor board open. Next I will be giving the back panel a whack from the inside with my trustee rubber mallet by putting in the motor board hole. Thanks for writing. GrnMountain Bill On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: William: If the cabinet has a back removable panel, Can you remove the back panel to the upper portion of the cabinet? If so, you may be able to inspect or tap from underneath. I am not familiar with the XI in terms of how it is constructed. On some models, this is the way to remove the horn, out the rear. You may have already eliminated this, given this is not a design feature of your phono. Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of William Zucca Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board If I could verify that the motor board is on a swivel then I would place a board lined with a felt strip on it across the BACK of the motor board and give a few swift blows with the mallet to see if I can loosen it. Perhaps someone who owns an XVII can verify that the motor board swivels on a pivot just to the rear of its center so I don't do any damage. GrnMountain Bill On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:54 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: SOunds like a case of simple warpage and wood swelling then... --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:52 PM John: Yes, everything have been removed from the motor board and frame. Only the motor screws remain. I even tried tapping with rubber mallet to see if there would be any movement. But there is none. Thanks for the picture. GrnMountain Bill On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:35 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you remove the turntable and reposition the automatic stop yoke? This is often the culprit, because the two arms of the stop yoke overlap form the motorboard to the motorboard frame. Check this link to a photo of what I mean. The yoke is circled in white. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/ John Robles --- On Mon, 1/10/11, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck Motor Board To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 8:04 PM Dear Phono-Lers: I recently acquired a Victrola VV-XVII. It is pretty nice machine but is missing the crank, needle cup, motor board knob, and one large storage door knob. ANYWAY... After removing the screws that hold down the motor board (two in the front and perhaps a third in the rear center just in from the tonearm bracket), I have been unable to get the board to either swivel on a pivot or come up out of the top of the machine! What am I doing wrong? There is no movement of the motor board in any direction. It is stuck tight. Any suggestions about how to remove it? On the back of the machine there is a panel that seems to be held in with two brass screws on its bottom edge and also has two acorn wooden plugs at the top. I removed all of these and this panel too is stuck fast! What is going on? Regards, GrnMountain Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3374 - Release Date: 01/11/11 12:34:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Matching numbers
Why would the Edison Company go to the trouble of assigning a number to the major cabinet parts, the mechanism, and the ID tag? When I look at a big Amberola with the eye of a buyer, I check those numbers and expect them to be the same. Right or wrong, I'll assign a lower value to a machine that does not match. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phonos for sale
The Excelda Cameraphone is sold. If anyone is interested in the Victor VV-VI table model, please make me an offer. I won't be offended if your offer is too low. I just may be unable to accept it. Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: Tom Jordan [mailto:tom...@msn.com] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:48 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Phonos for sale Due to circumstances, I need to part with a couple of machines. Here is what I have to offer: Thorens Excelda Cameraphone ($160.00 or make me a reasonable offer, plus shipping) This machine is in good condition and runs well. The reproducer is tight a plays well and sounds great. This one is in better condition than any others I have seen. Victor VV-VI table model ($170.00 or make me a reasonable offer, plus shipping) This machine is a good solid runner and the case is in nice condition. It comes with an exhibition reproducer that is tight and plays well and sounds great. This machine can be your work horse and could be used to play your records on a daily basis, saving your more valuable machines for the future. If you are interested, please e-mail me directly at tom...@msn.com and I will be happy to provide you with photos and answer any questions that you might have. I accept Paypal and will work with you for timely delivery. Thank you. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Human nature...
And a very interesting book it is, Jerry! Thanks so muchly for the ramble. I really enjoyed reading it! : ) Edward in Zigzag/Rhododendron, Oregon In a message dated 1/11/2011 9:00:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: Years ago I purchased a Victrola that was autographed by Louisa Tetrazzini. Next to the turntable, handwritten in white ink was Souvenir from Louisa Tetrazzini, April, 1923. Over the years I acquired other Tetrazzini items that were signed with the same signature and I'm reasonably sure that the Victrola autograph is genuine. But why did she sign the Victrola? I developed a romantic theory that she was in Portland, Oregon for a performance and instead of staying in one of the hotels, she stayed with a wealthy Portland family. As a courtesy for their hospitality, she signed their Victrola. I really wanted to believe my theory, right up to the moment that I saw another Victrola with the same inscription and same date! I had to face the fact that she must have signed several Victrolas, probably at a Victrola sales promotion for a large dealer. I really wanted to believe that my Victrola XVI was the only Tetrazzini Victrola. Then I saw a second and it was a XVII! * I know strange things happened but they were the exception. I've personally seen a Vernis Martin Victrola with an upside down decal. I was dumbfounded! With that said, I still think 99.99% (or more) of the big Amberolas left the factory with matching numbers. Those numbers were there for a reason. When an Edison was traded in, the number was recorded by the dealer. Stolen machines were identified by the serial numbers. I would not expect a dealer to swap a mechanism from one new machine to another but it was possible. Those machines are a century old and the original owners a long gone. Even a machine that has been in one family has gone through several family members and probably repairs. When those same machines started to be collectable I suspect first generation collectors upgraded mechanisms and cabinets until they were pleased and gave no thought to the serial numbers. I remember reading a modern collector statement that he was against swapping any mechanism or cabinet. I immediately realized that I had violated his ethical position by swapping out a very ordinary and dull works for a nicer one in my mahogany Edison Standard B. Even though the replacement mechanism was period correct, I had not even considered for one moment what I was doing something wrong. * I recently bought a NOS 1968 Sting-Ray Run-A-Bout from a man that was a dealer in the 60's and 70's. The bike was never sold until I bought it. I asked the seller if he would write a note on his old letterhead with a brief history of that bike. I was with my son, Tyler, and grandson, Wyatt. Tyler inquired why I asked for the note and I replied that providence of the bike was importa nt. Wyatt asked what that meant and I replied that the note would show the history of the bike from the Schwinn factory to me. * If I were buying a big Amberola and questioned the seller why the numbers didn't match and his reply was it's always been that way... my grandfather bought it new..., that's really not providence. Too many things could have happened. I may really really want to believe it but my better judgement says otherwise. * I'll stop now or I'll need to get a title for this book. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
