Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
As I said, my AN has a serial number near the 3,000 (2934) mark, and doubt if very many more then that were actually made. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:48:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy One thing in the Frow book I remember is he cites internal memos as to how many they were making at one point, I think it was 15/ week in late 1917 (could be wrong on time but I think number is correct), which was 1/5 of what they intended, so some numbers could be formulated from that. From the approximate date of that memo (and a cessation of production memo I think he cites) you might be able to find the production file through ENHS's paper archivist. I also think there is a photo of a AN serial plate with a number in the 1000s -- I can't check it because I'm on the road away from home -- and a notice of a piece on them in Edison's house journal Diamond Points which might give some numbers. I got the impression from close reading that Frow discovered roughly how many were produced but didn't see fit to mention it, for whatever reason. I wish you luck in finding one, as they do seem scarce; the only one I've ever had personal acquaintance with was Doug Anderson's in H erkimer. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ny victrolaman [victrola...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:47 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I've seen a number of ANs over the years (including my own), but I've never seen one numbered in the 3000 range. I expect yours was one of the last ones produced. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:18 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy As I said, my AN has a serial number near the 3,000 (2934) mark, and doubt if very many more then that were actually made. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:48:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy One thing in the Frow book I remember is he cites internal memos as to how many they were making at one point, I think it was 15/ week in late 1917 (could be wrong on time but I think number is correct), which was 1/5 of what they intended, so some numbers could be formulated from that. From the approximate date of that memo (and a cessation of production memo I think he cites) you might be able to find the production file through ENHS's paper archivist. I also think there is a photo of a AN serial plate with a number in the 1000s -- I can't check it because I'm on the road away from home -- and a notice of a piece on them in Edison's house journal Diamond Points which might give some numbers. I got the impression from close reading that Frow discovered roughly how many were produced but didn't see fit to mention it, for whatever reason. I wish you luck in finding one, as they do seem scarce; the only one I've ever had personal acquaintance with was Doug Anderson's in H erkimer. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ny victrolaman [victrola...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:47 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error,
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I used to have a beautiful example that I picked up at an antiques mall in San Diego back in the mid-1980's. I used to take it with me, along with a Maroon Gem, to Bluegrass and Old-Time music festivals that I frequented and set them up at my camp to play early country and string-band records for folks. Eventually sold it and the companion record storage locker for $1K. That was probably in 1995 or 1996. Private deal, not eBay. From: b...@taney.com Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:53:52 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
Wasn't there a connection between AN machines and the USS Shenandoah, a lighter-than-air craft? From: jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 17:19:57 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy In the March 1919 issue of “Edison Diamond Points”, one of Edison periodical's for the company’s jobbers and dealers, there was an interesting quote: “when all the Army and Navy models that have survived the war come back to this country, someone will have to write a book about them”. One of Thomas Edison’s long time,right-hand men, William Maxwell, who we’d now call Vice President of Sales, helped spearhead a charitable contribution pay for the for the supply of Army Navy Phonographs. After making the trip to France on a United States troup transport ship, Maxwell recognized the need for phonographs to entertain troops on their way to France and other European countries. Edison set up a special fund and launched a program to raise money at the Edison Dealers Convention. Before long, contributions from dealers and jobbers, individuals and charitable organizations had raised sufficient funds to supply all transport ships with these specially priced (below cost) Army Navy phonographs. Jack ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I had one and sold it for three times what I paid. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Ugly and clunky and huge and ungainly and heavy, and useful only to completist collectors and WWI fans. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On May 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote: I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
In the March 1919 issue of “Edison Diamond Points”, one of Edison periodical's for the company’s jobbers and dealers, there was an interesting quote: “when all the Army and Navy models that have survived the war come back to this country, someone will have to write a book about them”. One of Thomas Edison’s long time,right-hand men, William Maxwell, who we’d now call Vice President of Sales, helped spearhead a charitable contribution pay for the for the supply of Army Navy Phonographs. After making the trip to France on a United States troup transport ship, Maxwell recognized the need for phonographs to entertain troops on their way to France and other European countries. Edison set up a special fund and launched a program to raise money at the Edison Dealers Convention. Before long, contributions from dealers and jobbers, individuals and charitable organizations had raised sufficient funds to supply all transport ships with these specially priced (below cost) Army Navy phonographs. Jack ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
Ugly and clunkyness of the A N, was part of the beauty of the History of it. It was never intended to be put on display in your living room (Quite a frightening thought), but rather designed to be rugged, and dependable and useful for the boys in the battlefield to lug it around and play records around the campfire. Edison designed it for one purpose in mind. and that was doing his patriotic best, to design a machine that would be functional and hold up under unusual conditions and circumstances. If you are not into the colorful history of Edison, World War I, and the Edison AN, it would be a certain mistake to buy one . I gave a lecture about a month ago at a Local Historical Society, on Edison's Phonographs and Diamond Disc Records, and took along my Edison Army Navy Machine, I set up early and kept it covered until the final selection of the evening, which was Let us not forget played on the Edison Army Navy Machine. I told the story of the creation of the Edison A N machine and the Let Us Not Forget Record, and then unveiled the machine. The crowd of History buffs were absolutely fascinated by it and ran up to take digitals as it played LUNF . Sharing that machine and record and the history behind both of them with this highly receptive crowd will always be one of the highlights from my years of collecting. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfraser @mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:27:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I had one and sold it for three times what I paid. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Ugly and clunky and huge and ungainly and heavy, and useful only to completist collectors and WWI fans. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfraser @mac.com On May 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William Taney bill@ taney .com wrote: I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups , and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbud12@ wowway .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney bill@ taney .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrolaman @ gmail .com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli Philip_ Carli @ pittsford . monroe . edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org [phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known.
[Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD
I really like my Army/Navy machine and would think $800 for a complete example in good shape would be a good price. I have owned three since I started collecting. The last one was purchased from Peter and it went to a Portland friend. I remember reading a story about Edison donating one to be used on an air ship. The first time the air ship docked, the Edison was left behind to reduce weight. I own three Diamond Disks, an A-250, a long play console, and the Army/Navy machine. If I could keep only one, it would be the Army/Navy machine. All examples that I have seen have been army green,like mine. Has anyone seen a blue machine? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
If you are looking for an example of an AN machine that has all of its handles and latches functional, good paint, no dry rot, all internal spars, intact, complete manual, and not looking like it has been drug behind a French 75 artillry cart it will cost more than $800.00. The thing weighs something like 80lb or more. Shipping would be painful. On 05/27/2011 06:39 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: Exactly correct - and a far better way of describing the meaning and experience of the beast than my original words on the topic. Upon re-reading my earlier note, written while jostling along on public transportation, I see that I came off as rather brusque in my assessment of the thing. What I meant to say was that these things are not for casual collectors and are bigger and heavier, while not being very visually attractive, than most folks would enjoy. So especially considering the prices they seem to be commanding, it may not be worth the pursuit for a lot of collectors. I was just trying to share my own experience with an army/navy dd, which wasn't unpleasant financially, but otherwise not very worthwhile at all. On May 27, 2011, at 12:45 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Ugly and clunkyness of the A N, was part of the beauty of the History of it. It was never intended to be put on display in your living room (Quite a frightening thought), but rather designed to be rugged, and dependable and useful for the boys in the battlefield to lug it around and play records around the campfire. Edison designed it for one purpose in mind. and that was doing his patriotic best, to design a machine that would be functional and hold up under unusual conditions and circumstances. If you are not into the colorful history of Edison, World War I, and the Edison AN, it would be a certain mistake to buy one . I gave a lecture about a month ago at a Local Historical Society, on Edison's Phonographs and Diamond Disc Records, and took along my Edison Army Navy Machine, I set up early and kept it covered until the final selection of the evening, which was Let us not forget played on the Edison Army Navy Machine. I told the story of the creation of the Edison A N machine and the Let Us Not Forget Record, and then unveiled the machine. The crowd of History buffs were absolutely fascinated by it and ran up to take digitals as it played LUNF . Sharing that machine and record and the history behind both of them with this highly receptive crowd will always be one of the highlights from my years of collecting. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfraser @mac.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:27:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I had one and sold it for three times what I paid. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Ugly and clunky and huge and ungainly and heavy, and useful only to completist collectors and WWI fans. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfraser @mac.com On May 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William Taneybill@ taney .com wrote: I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups , and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercermaxbud12@ wowway .com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taneybill@ taney .com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@ oldcrank .org Cc: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrolaman @ gmail .com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD
I think Charles McCarn has a blue one - see YouTube Video Old Phonograph Heaven at the 1:54-1:57 mark in the video... Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:04:39 -0700 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD I really like my Army/Navy machine and would think $800 for a complete example in good shape would be a good price. I have owned three since I started collecting. The last one was purchased from Peter and it went to a Portland friend. I remember reading a story about Edison donating one to be used on an air ship. The first time the air ship docked, the Edison was left behind to reduce weight. I own three Diamond Disks, an A-250, a long play console, and the Army/Navy machine. If I could keep only one, it would be the Army/Navy machine. All examples that I have seen have been army green,like mine. Has anyone seen a blue machine? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Record Cabinets For Sale
A bit late but anybody need a nice record cabinet - three available that can be delivered to Union for a nominal fee. Need to know as soon as possible if there's any .interest best, Darrell Cylinder cabinet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/461/0511CylDrawer.jpg Mahogany 78 cabinet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/461/0511MahogCab.jpg Oak 78 cabinet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/461/0511OakCab.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD
I agree with Jerry. We like our A N model for its scarcity and history. We found ours for about $800 with the military company's insignia stenciled on the lid. It was complete and in nice condition. We sold the one we had before it for about half that price , but it was not complete and looked more like it had been through a war. -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 4:05 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD I really like my Army/Navy machine and would think $800 for a complete example in good shape would be a good price. I have owned three since I started collecting. The last one was purchased from Peter and it went to a Portland friend. I remember reading a story about Edison donating one to be used on an air ship. The first time the air ship docked, the Edison was left behind to reduce weight. I own three Diamond Disks, an A-250, a long play console, and the Army/Navy machine. If I could keep only one, it would be the Army/Navy machine. All examples that I have seen have been army green,like mine. Has anyone seen a blue machine? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
