[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
I watch the Antique Road Show quite often.Some of the experts seem quite well informed and do special research for individual items. The phono guy obviously had done no research. He had little understanding of the unusual Herzog cabinet which was the valuable piece. The presentation certainly wouldn't have inspired a novice collector. SIGH. stan - Original Message - From: Loran T.Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week Fortunately, I was wearing my boots while watching that episode. Makes you wonder about everything else you see on that show. Loran On Mar 29, 2005, at 2:56 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Re: The Antique Road Show in Reno That was something of a let down! The phonograph shown was an Edison Home Model D with an S reproducer in an alligatored finish oak Herzog #740 Cylophone cabinet. The unrebuilt reproducer was set to the wrong stylii so the reproduction of sound was terrible. The person doing the description and evaluation seemed less knowledgeable than one could hope for. He had no idea if the cabinet was sold by Edison or an aftermarket item. One wonders what they would have said should something really esoteric come before them. This was not a good representation of an antique phonograph on the Antique Road Show in my opinion. Kindest regards to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
... and he didn't say anything about the cylinders or include them in the appraisal. Very disappointing in deed. Actually, the appraiser on the Road Show was Nick Hawkins, who handles mechanical music, incl. phonographs, for Skinner in Boston. He was previously with Christie's in London, and should know quite a bit about phonographs. I was surprised that his performance on the show was not very good. Ray
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
On the plus side, he DID know that Edison made something called Art Models, but he thought that was 1907 or so this wasn't one of them and they were Disc models, for that matter. But he'd heard of Art Models! ps - The owner thinks all the records are worn out; maybe it's because he's hearing them with the wrong stylus? From: Bob b...@lemker.com ... and he didn't say anything about the cylinders or include them in the appraisal. Very disappointing indeed.
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
Can you really blame them? In the day when you can research any topic on the internet, yes I can blame them. Ignorance, a lack of knowledge is understandable, failure to do research is sad. Steve
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
In a message dated 3/30/2005 10:24:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: In the day when you can research any topic on the internet, yes I can blame them. Ignorance, a lack of knowledge is understandable, failure to do research is sad. I always thought of the Antique Roadshow as entertainment, not eductional. For education, there are many fine books, eg. Fabrizio Paul,at least 7, Robin Joan Rolf, at least 2 and a Library on Allen Koenigsbergs website. Aaron
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
The Road Show exists primarily to entertain. However, the appraisers are on the show for quite a different reason. My understanding is they are not paid (they may be reimbursed for travel expenses, I am not sure). They are there to promote themselves (I guess many times that is a form of entertainment!), promote their company, and also to obtain consignments. Sometimes there seem to be conflicts of interest or, at least, apparent conflicts of interest with the appraisers (surprise?). Example: A while back either David Rago or his wife Susanne Perrault (sp?) were on the show appraising a piece of George Ohr pottery. What they failed to disclose during their appraisal was the fact they were in the process of negotiating or had just recently purchased the largest single collection of George Ohr pottery in the world. I thought that their overly effusive praise and rather high value ascribed to the piece of rather unremarkable Ohr pottery on the show was a bit problematic. I suspect that this kind of thing happens on the show more often than one would suspect. Occasionally, you hear the appraiser make such comments, I recently sold one like this in my shop, or :If I had this item in my shop . . .) In my opinion, it undermines all of the appraisals, when you have flagrant self-serving on the show.
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
hi all take the road show for what it is just plain entertainment zono
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
My thoughts exactly, and very well put! If the program were broadcast on Fox or WB, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but it's broadcast on PBS. That signifies the intent of being taken seriously. Best, r. gt;From: quot;Robert Plavzicquot; lt;plav...@hotmail.comgt; gt;Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List lt;phono-l@oldcrank.orggt; gt;To: phono-l@oldcrank.org gt;Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week gt;Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:49:15 + gt; gt;So where is George Glastris when we need him!! :-) gt; gt;I do not think that the Road Show should be entertainment. On TV we gt;are being stupidified with all manner of programs once may have been gt;informative and are now 'entertainment'. Can we expect the Road Show gt;to now try up there viewer numbers by having Pamela Anderson do an gt;appraisal, or have contrived objects being valued in the millions, gt;just to make it to the front page of TV guide? - just a thought - gt; gt;Rob gt; gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt;hi all gt;gt;take the road show for what it is just plain entertainment gt;gt;zono gt;gt;___ gt;gt;Phono-L mailing list gt;gt;Phono-L@oldcrank.org gt;gt; gt;gt;Phono-L Archive gt;gt;http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ gt; gt;_ gt;Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's gt;FREE! gt;http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ gt; gt;___ gt;Phono-L mailing list gt;Phono-L@oldcrank.org gt; gt;Phono-L Archive gt;http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
I wasn't going to jump into this one, but decided to share an interesting (at least I thought it was interesting!) tidbit about Roadshow. A friend who is quite knowledgeable of British militaria saw an 18th century dragoon helmet being examined on the show. My friend took immediate notice because of the rarity of this helmet, and its excellent condition. In fact, there's only one known! My friend contacted HIS friend - the owner of the helmet - and yes indeed... The Road Show actually RENTED the helmet from the collector, and hired an actor to present it on camera as an attic find. That's showmanship, folks! I have less of a problem with the phoney provenance of an item than I do having an unqualified person discuss/appraise it. George Paul
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
In a message dated 3/31/2005 2:08:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes: I wasn't going to jump into this one, but decided to share an interesting (at least I thought it was interesting!) tidbit about Roadshow. A friend who is quite knowledgeable of British militaria saw an 18th century dragoon helmet being examined on the show. My friend took immediate notice because of the rarity of this helmet, and its excellent condition. In fact, there's only one known! My friend contacted HIS friend - the owner of the helmet - and yes indeed... The Road Show actually RENTED the helmet from the collector, and hired an actor to present it on camera as an attic find. That's showmanship, folks! I have less of a problem with the phoney provenance of an item than I do having an unqualified person discuss/appraise it. -- I seem to recall an instance a few years ago with an appraiser of Civil War artifacts who did a similar setup. He was found out and severely censured for his unethical grandstanding Best regards, Rene Rondeau
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
Gosh, I remember seeing both the watermelon sword and helmet episodes. I'm beginning to think that I watch way too much ARS! Loran On Mar 31, 2005, at 3:46 PM, taediso...@aol.com wrote: As a PS to my previous post, here's an article about the incident from Maine Antiques Digest. There's much more to be found about this on Google, including something posted by the FBI! snip
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
In addition to being not really on with his research on that Art Herzog cabinet with built in horn which Housed the Edison Home, I would think that the appraisers estimated value must have been off the mark as well. Isn't the cabinet shown on Antique Roadshow much rarer then say a full barreled Tiger Oak Herzog Cylinder cabinet? I have seen these sell for over $7000 on Ebay, while the appraiser said that the Herzog and Home combination would bring between 2-3 thousand dollars. Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week Fascinating account of the watermelon sword, Rene. Thanks for sharing. I hadn't heard about that, but the various stories seem to suggest something of a pattern, don't they? What won't people think of next? George ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
