On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 07:55 +0200, Alain Roger wrote:
Hi,
Till now, i'm used to have a php file (for each language) to store all text
labels for my international application.
i tried with Ajax to improve it but it seems not so flexible at it promised.
my purpose was to limit the transfer
honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
project.
the thing is, i already develop few working library. no matter how hard i
look into it. i always
Umm hell yes?
I don't use frameworks, its an awsome thing, but I don't like them.
But if I'm not using any framework at all, the least I do is writing the
application object-oriented'ly.
Regards,
Nitsan
On 22/04/2008, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
honestly, i never used any framework to do
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 17:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
project.
the thing is, i already develop few
Hi Everybody,
I am a newbee in Linux and php. My fellow team members left me a system and
I am trying to maintain it.
The system is sending sudo messages from php in order to run shell script.
Up to last Monday everything with these calls was ok however the system is
failing from last week and
For all of you with an upload/access page to your site that is
world-viewable I have made available copies of scripts that kiddies have
tried to use to take over my own server. As my upload page has yet to
be broken nor my site taken over, I wanted to share them with everyone
as a way to
My clients benefit downstream whenever I add to my framework. A problem
solved two years ago is a problem still solved today, and I don't need
to copy and paste into their project and thus maintain multiple versions
of the same solution.
i am quite new in php. i only spent about 3 year
http://ambiguous.dnsalias.net/
what a nice collection you have. i also have some of this files on my
server.
i don't know how the files end up on my web page directory. That time i am
using a shared
server with 300+ website hosted on the same host. i do not have ssh or
telnet access
(ftp and
Robert Cummings wrote:
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
There's plenty of people out there who don't believe in frameworks.
Nothing wrong with that-- to each their own. Only thing I would ask you
is whether
At 5:25 PM +0800 4/22/08, paragasu wrote:
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
I don't use a framework either. However, I do have a collection of
routines (many stolen from Rob, David et al on this list) that I
i just wondering whether i am the only one thinking this way.
anyone out there still doing php without using framework?
Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
use a framework.
--
Richard
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
use a framework.
But that is kind of a framework!
You get two kinds of framework in PHP
You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like
Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend
Framework etc).
personally i prefer to call component framework as code library =)
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 14:41 +0200, Paul Scott wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:34 +0100, Richard Heyes wrote:
Absolutely. Personally I use a lot of disparate libraries, a lot of them
from PEAR. Doing this I've never found the need or the inclination to
use a framework.
But that is
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:49 +0800, paragasu wrote:
You get two kinds of framework in PHP IMHO - the Glue frameworks (like
Chisimba, CakePHP etc) and the component frameworks (like PEAR, Zend
Framework etc).
personally i prefer to call component framework as code library =)
Well since
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I agree , you couldn't avoid using a framework unless you're writing a
Hello Everyone.
I'm trying to use xml structure my pages. My problem was when I was embeding
html into xml documents.
adding ![CDATA[ html code ]] resolves problem for reading. And if I
serialize any php array contains html code int xml problems repeating agin.
So ?
I'm asking is there any
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Tony Marston
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If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:06 +0800, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
which contains 130 database tables, 230 relationships and 1000
On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Jason Pruim wrote:
On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Philip Thompson wrote:
On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Jason Pruim wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Last week you all helped me with the code to pull the database
field names directly from the database rather then being
At 9:06 PM +0800 4/22/08, Kinch Zhang wrote:
On 4/22/08, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application.
I agree , you
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:25 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
honestly, i never used any framework to do my coding.
i look into few popular framework like cakePHP and codeIgiter.
I did learn the tutorial but still decide whether to use it on my next
project.
[snip!]
i just
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:25 +0800, paragasu wrote:
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
which
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. ..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in cloud
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guys,
I switched to gmail since I was having so many issues getting my emails thru
the spam filter thanks to M$ adding ads to the bottom of the message. To
make it even better, the unsubcribe confirmation email is also
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If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing
a proper application. For example, I have just completed an ERP
application
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
I'm guessing, since you quoted os-commerce and phpBB, you don't know
shit code when you see it. Just because it's popular doesn't mean the
code is good. Have you ever tried to modify either of these? What a
mess.
honestly, i don't and not really interested to dig inside thus code. but i
guess,
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was comperable.
My toughts about php frame work was;
All those frameworks claim their way was
All those frameworks claim their way was perfect for making love
good joke sancar. i do not see any connection between framework and making
love.
if making love what you looking for. Porn might be a good answer for you.
And I say, I'm 34 years old, and I got enough knowladge to how to make
Tony Marston wrote:
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can
Hi,
I am a newbee in Linux and php. My fellow team members left me a system and
I am trying to maintain it.
The system is sending sudo messages from php in order to run shell script.
Up to last Monday everything with these calls was ok however the system is
failing from last week and on. The
On Apr 22, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Sancar Saran wrote:
Hello there,
Is anyone looking jQuery recently ?. Thas what I call framework...
You are really doing tons of things with much less code.
And jQuery was javaScript thingy and in php world nothing was
comperable.
My toughts about php frame
Try looking in my signature at http://www.radicore.org
wow! i read your personal website and have it on my bookmark list. i salute
you =)
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
level of productivity WITHOUT a framework then you are living in
On 4/22/08, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can achieve the same
level
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing
but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when it comes to
writing a proper application.
..If you think you can
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Tony Marston wrote:
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't stand a chance when
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
[snip]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain the
contents of that table. I can do this in 5 minutes without having to
write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Marston
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[snip!]
The real measure of a good framework is the length of time it takes to
create a new database table, then write the components to maintain
Tony Marston wrote:
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then obviously you are writing nothing but
mickey mouse programs, and wouldn't
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is not the only real measure of a good framework, it is just one of
many. I wrote a tool a long time ago that does the table/form/query bit
in well under 5 minutes with several permutations. A good framework is
I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the real
measure of a good framework was how much of the monotony of coding
was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
So I guess the BASh script I just whipped up a few seconds ago
could be classified as a good
My 2 cents. I've found that people who buy into using frameworks think that
it will establish order in the code, and improve the chances of a successful
implimentation, and it sort of delivers on these two things most of the
time. It never occurs to them that it also adds a level of complexity
I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
the same league.
-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple hello
Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Tony Marston wrote:
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Tony Marston wrote:
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[snip]
If you don't use a framework then
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to write a PHP
application
without a single line of code even a simple hello world! application.
i am really cannot be in the same league :( . well, i might have to
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can do this in 5 minutes without having to write a
single line of PHP, HTML or SQL. If you can't match this then you're not in
the same league.
-Tony Marston
i can only think of copy paste method if i were required to
Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I had never heard this before. Silly me I thought the real
measure of a good framework was how much of the monotony of coding
was removed, how many problems solved, et cetera.
So I guess the BASh script I just
[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a single line of
code? Can you do this with immediate access to a role based access
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without writing even a
You do need javascript to do this. Look into the window.open()
function to open your other window, and then something like
self.close() to close the login window.
--c
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Richard Kurth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have my login.php file that when I access the login
imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
can
do it :D
-nathan
i am going to miss the fun doing programming then.
As a comparison, framework is like a canned food. available anytime you
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:02 AM, paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
imagine a cms, like drupal or joomla. you install the thing w/ the web
based installer then go through adding content via the web interface; u
can
do it :D
-nathan
i am going to miss the fun doing programming
But then, this debate comes up about once a month because people don't
know how to RTFA of this list.
And I don't know about you, but I've written a BASH script to work with my
PHP script to work with an API to deal with relational and flat files and
mail interfaces that takes me 1
[snip]
Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we
can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since we are in a
semantical discussion about frameworks then this re-usable code
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an online user to read, write,
update
and delete records from this table without
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
Yes, and it doesn't take 5 minutes.
Then where can us mere mortals download this wonderful framework so that
we can all share in your wizardry?
[/snip]
It is not a framework, it is a set of functions. But since
Frameworks not only are great for piecing together an application quickly
with user management, content filtering, access control, etc..., there is
another HUGE advantage to using a framework.
If the framework you are using has a thriving community behind it, the
framework will constantly get
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've been
reading this all
[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download but it has been reviewed by peers on
several project teams who have used it. It was developed specifically
for a company who
Malicious code can still be embedded in images. The vulnerabilities ISTR
are in Windows image handling libraries. I assume they've been fixed now
though because it was some time ago. But that doesn't mean to say more
won't be found.
Could you suggest me a good piece of code to check the PNG
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Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
But can you create a database table, then generate the PHP scripts
which
generate the HTML and SQL which allow an
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wrote:
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
I didn't originally
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be substantiated by
Tony Marston wrote:
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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[snip]
You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be
downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers?
[/snip]
It is not available for download
So your claims cannot be
First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it looks like that to me at this beginning point) is
Check out
knigifts.com
--
Robert Burdo
nuschooldesign.com
revDAVE wrote:
First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it looks like that to me at this
On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:04 PM, revDAVE wrote:
First of all - I know this is an entirely subjective question, and I
know
there's no single approach to learning this technology. I'm just
looking for
a few hints from seasoned professionals basically whether Dreamweaver
verbose code (at least it
Welcome to PHP! Please have exact change.
As a general rule, I distrust generated code in PHP, or in HTML. I virtually
never use Dreamweaver (or its evil twin, FronPage), as the code it generates
is rarely what I want at the quality level I want. Such code is designed for
the
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