Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread rick
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:57 -04:00, andr...@itship.ch wrote: > On 28.04.20 22:53, Guido Stepken wrote: > > > > (Blathering removed.) > > You generalize too broadly in one sentence and then contradict > yourself the next. ^^ This. ^^ -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Guido Stepken
"gcc -fanalyzer" will fundamentally change safety of C programs, such as Linux, GNOME, DQlite (distributed SQLite), Cython, Python, Crystal, Ruby, NIM, ZIG, Vala/Genie ... but also the C compiled version of PicoLisp ... https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/03/26/static-analysis-in-gcc-10/

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, > I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and sometimes > additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared > screen. firefox sounds good Yesterday I tried to watch the Lisp conference but streaming kept stopping so I had to give up. Not

Re: Digging into Symbols

2020-04-28 Thread Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
On 4/28/20 2:18 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: E.g Python dqueue doesn't show any performance loss here The performance of a particular python data structure has no bearing on the fact that your original statement: In most Lisp languages, you only can "append" to a list, never "prepend" ..is

Re: Digging into Symbols

2020-04-28 Thread John Duncan
It’s hard to predict cache behavior without an actual workload, so i would recommend using cachegrind with a real program (not a benchmark) to evaluate the cost of doing things one way or the other. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 05:24 Guido Stepken wrote: > Certainly. But how is it *implemented*

回复:Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Enwei Zhang
Where can we get safe hardwares? Zhang Enwei发自我的华为手机 原始邮件 发件人: Guido Stepken 日期: 2020年4月28日周二 傍晚6:50收件人: picolisp@software-lab.de主题: Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, USsoftware and US

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 18:20, Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: > > > >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to >> compile 75 for myself. > > There is an account on the way the FSF

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Guido Stepken
I think, it's decided now, that China is going to remove US hardware, US software and US protocols. In fact, US software stacks, especially those Open Source by Apache, Linux, .. "Foundations" have become a *huge pile of shit*: *Billions lines of code, millions of bugs, thousands of NSA

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) > wrote: > > Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to > compile 75 for myself. There is an account on the way the FSF moved LibrePlanet online and that involved non-exclusively Jitsi, but also voice

Re: Digging into Symbols

2020-04-28 Thread Guido Stepken
Certainly. But how is it *implemented* internally? Mostly you suffer massive performance loss when prepending, because complete linked list gets moved to a new place in memory. If internal representaion ist a double cell, one value, pointer to next, then you quickly suffer CPU cache misses. Wild

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Wojciech Gac
Hi Guys, I agree with Christophe. It's best to organize a rehearsal way ahead of the actual event to give ourselves time to debug problems and investigate alternatives in case the proposed approach fails. And perhaps having pre-recorded presentations (if only as backups) would put us on the safe

Re: EU Lisp online now

2020-04-28 Thread Wojciech Gac
Yes, It started yesterday. The approach to streaming and scaling is based on pre-recorded talks by the speakers. Initially there was talk about making it fully interactive and live, but the organizers decided we don't really have the infrastructure to support that many people simultaneously. The

EU Lisp online now

2020-04-28 Thread cilz
Hi guys, FYI EU Lisp 2020 is online now here: https://www.twitch.tv/elsconf This could gives us some ideas for our own PiLCon 2020. Best, Eric -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)
Hi Christophe, Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to compile 75 for myself. And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation myself?  Am 28. April 2020

Re: Stop using US controlled software stacks!!!

2020-04-28 Thread Edgaras Šeputis
Now you seriously smoking something. China's bullshit new IP was not accepted by anyone, no one wants their authoritarian extensions, and say whatever you want about US (and one can say a lot of shit about them and be quite correct), US is still millions of miles better than China and if you are

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Christophe Gragnic
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:48 AM Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who > have presentations to see if things work well ? I was thinking about having much more time before the event. Like at least a month or two but I don't

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) > wrote: > > Dear List, > > My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an > online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this > is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:26, Christophe Gragnic > wrote: > > 2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who have presentations to see if things work well ? Jean-Christophe Helary

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Christophe Gragnic
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:44 AM Alexander Burger wrote: > We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5 members > so > far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I don't > know > how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize

Re: PilCon 2020

2020-04-28 Thread Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)
Dear List, My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of WebRTC. Unfortunately for me there is no alternative ATM.