Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Wednesday, 2015-12-23, 17:08:42, Mark Gaiser wrote: > just the noto fonts, that is apparently not the case As it currently > stands, installing the font package breaks (read cripples it, it's still > readable) chrome rendering on archlinux. Archlinux itself is not at fault > here, they do

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Philipp A. wrote: > Sebastian Kügler schrieb am Di., 22. Dez. 2015 um > 17:13 Uhr: > >> Avoiding top-posting makes your emails a bit easier to read. I took the >> liberty to rearrange. >> > > if i have only one paragraph to

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

> > So the noto fonts are not to blame, just the noto package is. > That does match with what i said and a couple of people said in here, i just > didn't expect it to end up this way. > - I've said: "just having the fonts installed cripples chrome" > - Some in here: "The fonts are fine and the

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Sebastian Kügler schrieb am Di., 22. Dez. 2015 um 17:13 Uhr: > Avoiding top-posting makes your emails a bit easier to read. I took the > liberty to rearrange. > if i have only one paragraph to reply to i can’t be bothered to click the “full editor” button KDE doesn't ship nor

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

i did that, but they saw no problem. (i linked to the arch bug report in my previous mail) as you can see in the two linked bug report, i think the two correct places in which is could be fixed is the repo and the packaging. i’ll get back to the packagers when i have an answer in the repo bug

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Avoiding top-posting makes your emails a bit easier to read. I took the liberty to rearrange. > Sebastian Kügler schrieb am Di., 22. Dez. 2015 um 15:32 Uhr: > On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 14:03:19 Philipp A. wrote: > > all of those individually are perfectly resonable

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Hello, concerning fonts - the choice of fonts is always a tricky call. Aside from an exact, and more feature complete version of Oxygen which sadly doesn't exist, Noto is the perfect choice for us. It's a very well made standardized font and the only other contender was the Firefox Fira IIRC

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Hi, I feel like the same as Aleix. For me, as a part of CJK lang and fonts users, changing font settings is one of the highest priority work when I install fresh Plasma emvironment ( and when removing .config/* :P ) even though Noto is set to default. I think the Plasma dev and design team take

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

there is one part of this issue that bugs me as well, but it’s rather an unfortunate coincidence than anything else: - KDE requires Noto as a baseline default font. that’s fine as nobody forces me to use it. - the freetype project ships a metric-aliases config that defines a number of

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 14:03:19 Philipp A. wrote: > all of those individually are perfectly resonable decisions, so without it > being anyone’s fault, i’m forced to fiddle with my fontconfig to blacklist > the three metric alias fonts if i don’t want to see it. That sounds like you want to

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Op 18 dec. 2015 2:48 a.m. schreef "Martin Klapetek" < martin.klape...@gmail.com>: > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: >> >> >> Frameworkintegration is hereby forked [1]. >> >> I will keep this one in sync with frameworkintegration as it is on the kde

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

In data venerdì 18 dicembre 2015 09:26:20 CET, Mark Gaiser ha scritto: > It is most definitely not my system configuration anymore, Martin. The only > thing I can do to rule out everything on my system is reinstalling it > completely. I won't do that just for a font! This screams "systemwide

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Friday, December 18, 2015 9:26:20 AM CET Mark Gaiser wrote: > > I'm out of options here! I don't like forking (as I said before) but I > just > > see no other way to solve this in a somewhat stable manner for me.

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > > You can quite clearly see that the noto package adds a lot of extra > spacing. If that wasn't bad enough, it's also slightly offset from the > top. > > ‎Fwiw, font rendering in your tab bar looks shitty in both

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Friday 18 December 2015, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > > > Something is wrong. I see it and the font is causing it. Removing the > > font > > removes the issue. Installing the font (just having it!) gives me the > issue. Let's separe the issues... of all the thread (honestly, often with tones that

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

> You can quite clearly see that the noto package adds a lot of extra spacing. If that wasn't bad enough, it's also slightly offset from the top.‎Fwiw, font rendering in your tab bar looks shitty in both screen

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Friday, December 18, 2015 9:26:20 AM CET Mark Gaiser wrote: > I'm out of options here! I don't like forking (as I said before) but I just > see no other way to solve this in a somewhat stable manner for me. Let me > add this yet again since it seems to be overlooked over and over. Just > having

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Let me step in here. On Friday, December 18, 2015 00:42:50 Mark Gaiser wrote: > If i report font issues, nobody is looking at them anyway. See [1] for > oxygen. Mark, That's a hurtful accusation, and it's not the first time you stray way out of line in this thread. Before you learn to do

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Let me step in here. > > On Friday, December 18, 2015 00:42:50 Mark Gaiser wrote: > > If i report font issues, nobody is looking at them anyway. See [1] for > > oxygen. > > Mark, > > That's a hurtful accusation, and it's

Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Hi, I've (somewhat mildly) already stated that i do not like the oxygen fonts at all! Just having those installed always screws up "something" on my system. So what i used to do was simply removing the oxygen fonts once an update had the nerves to install it again. Which would be the

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Eike Hein wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I think you might not be entirely clear on what we're doing. > Perhaps. > > It's not a forced dependency/font, it's a default font setting > which compells distro packagers to pull the font packages in as >

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Hi Mark, I think you might not be entirely clear on what we're doing. It's not a forced dependency/font, it's a default font setting which compells distro packagers to pull the font packages in as dependency. However you can change the font in System Settings to your liking. As for why Noto:

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/18/2015 12:00 AM, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > I'll send you a bigger hard drive for Christmas as you constantly > complain about a few megs of dependencies without any runtime overhead. > I'm glad that we enforce some rules on fonts in Plasma 5 as in the 4.x > times it was usually just

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > ‎Hi, > > > It is a very hard forced dependency on that font. > > I'll send you a bigger hard drive for Christmas as you constantly complain > about a few megs of dependencies without any runtime overhead. I'm glad

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/18/2015 12:42 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > I consider that to be one of the biggest issues in plasma. It's a case-by-case thing. The actual installed size of Noto depends a lot on how a distro choses to package it (split by writing system vs big monolothic package). If a reasonable subset of

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

> It is a very hard forced dependency on that font. At build time, yes. At run time, you can simply reconfigure your preferences in System Settings, uninstall both Oxygen and Noto completely (with package manager) and still continue to use Plasma. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Mark Gaiser

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/17/2015 11:09 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > What you say might be true and might be the goal of that font. > But it is unusable for me at this moment and i'm not going to make bug > reports about that. > > It is the google font (noto) with the google browser (chromium) that > mainly screws

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eike Hein wrote: > > > On 12/17/2015 11:09 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > What you say might be true and might be the goal of that font. > > But it is unusable for me at this moment and i'm not going to make bug > > reports about that. > > > > It is

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > If i report font issues, nobody is looking at them anyway. See [1] for > oxygen. > Vernon Adams, the Oxygen font designer, was in a serious road accident in May 2014 with incredibly hard recovery ahead of him. Maybe

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > Frameworkintegration is hereby forked [1]. > > I will keep this one in sync with frameworkintegration as it is on the kde > servers, but obviously without those fonts. > Once Noto starts to work normally the fork can die.

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/18/2015 12:31 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > You will hear me when my workflow is severely interrupted and when i > find the cause of it. plasma-devel@kde.org is not mark-gaisers-workf...@kde.org. Bug reports go to bugs.kde.org. User support happens on the user list and in the KDE Forums. >

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Eike Hein wrote: > > > On 12/18/2015 12:42 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > I consider that to be one of the biggest issues in plasma. > > It's a case-by-case thing. The actual installed size of Noto > depends a lot on how a distro choses to package it

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Eike Hein wrote: > > > On 12/18/2015 12:31 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > You will hear me when my workflow is severely interrupted and when i > > find the cause of it. > > plasma-devel@kde.org is not mark-gaisers-workf...@kde.org. > > Bug reports go to

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

Hello, concerning fonts - the choice of fonts is always a tricky call. Aside from an exact, and more feature complete version of Oxygen which sadly doesn't exist, Noto is the perfect choice for us. It's a very well made standardized font and the only other contender was the Firefox Fira IIRC

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/18/2015 01:34 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > Ohh just stop it! > You're going into technical implementation details of a specification > (SVG in this case). Nope, I didn't. I'm saying this particular SVG (authored as such by someone) doesn't match the result you get when you throw the font data

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > Hi, > > I've (somewhat mildly) already stated that i do not like the oxygen fonts at > all! Just having those installed always screws up "something" on my system. > > So what i used to do was simply removing the oxygen fonts

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On 12/18/2015 01:47 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > Frameworkintegration is hereby forked [1]. Yeah, and your fork's wrong. The feature_summary() call you removed prints info among the packages marked as required; there's no Noto package, and so it's not marked as required. The message() call after is

Re: Noto fonts screw my system, please stop forcing fonts upon me!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Eike Hein wrote: > > > On 12/18/2015 12:31 AM, Mark Gaiser wrote: > > You will hear me when my workflow is severely interrupted and when i > > find the cause of it. > > plasma-devel@kde.org is not mark-gaisers-workf...@kde.org. > > Bug reports go to