Re: [nepomuk-kde] Plasma activities and Nepomuk

2009-08-03 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi, Note though, that the plasma folks have their own thing in their head regarding this topic, so maybe I am missing someone important who Heh, I am one of the Plasma folks. :) The reason I started this topic now is that we are approaching Tokamak 3 (meeting of Plasma developers / hackaton)

Re: [nepomuk-kde] Plasma activities and Nepomuk

2009-08-07 Thread Ivan Čukić
Btw, a bit offtopic, but shall we share favourites between those menus? you're not sharing them? :( There are both pros and cons for this. Pros are easy to recognize. The main con (and the reason why Lancelot only loads the favs from Kickoff on first start, but doesn't share them) is that

Re: [nepomuk-kde] Plasma activities and Nepomuk

2009-08-07 Thread Ivan Čukić
what would you do with an activity type that you couldn't do with just the activity name? The type could be used by the /activity switching/ plasmoid - to group the activites, or to show only a certain type of activity... (this is the only thing that comes to my mind at the moment :) )

Re: [nepomuk-kde] Plasma activities and Nepomuk

2009-08-08 Thread Ivan Čukić
be in it anyways, the contextChanged signal would have the new context, that would contain not only the activity name but also the type.. I'd rather have a typeForActivity(String activityName) than having the parameter type as a part of the signal. (since type is defined by the activity

Re: [nepomuk-kde] Plasma activities and Nepomuk

2009-08-08 Thread Ivan Čukić
The activity type can have the following options (these need be set only while defining a new activity type, not while creating every activity!) - Activity Type Name (user given string) - Show apps (in menu) related to productivity, etc - Allow / Disallow / Provide hint about messages from

Re: IRC Meeting: virtual desktops 2.0

2009-09-01 Thread Ivan Čukić
+1 for not before 10 :) 2009/9/1 Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org: On September 1, 2009, Martin Gräßlin wrote: So we just need a time. I think we should do it somewhen in the morning or early afternoon (UTC time) so that Lucas can join us. So perhaps on Thursday morning. works for me. before

Re: Tokamak III Wrap Up

2009-09-05 Thread Ivan Čukić
A few errors: Rob's surname (beginning of the text) Community and Team-building efforts passage is not finished - it ends in during the sprint, and a number of While Kickoff is in theory a competitor, or rather a replacement for Kickoff, Cukic showed great team... - strange isn't it - like

Kickoff Krunner whitelist

2009-09-09 Thread Ivan Čukić
Here is the list of current runners (that I have installed) http://pastebin.ca/1560026 Which ones should be enabled in kickoff? (that is, which ones don't crash :) ) Cheerio! ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org

Re: Kickoff Krunner whitelist

2009-09-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Thursday 10 September 2009 21:13:38 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 9, 2009, Ivan Čukić wrote: Here is the list of current runners (that I have installed) http://pastebin.ca/1560026 Which ones should be enabled in kickoff? i think just the locations, shell, services

Re: Kickoff Krunner whitelist

2009-09-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
1. Keyboard navigation of the search results appears to have broken, can you please have a look at that. The only thing changed is the data model. Do you have any idea how that could screw up the keybd nav? 2. The search results for applications now take longer to appear than they used to

Re: Review Request: RunnerManager: Whitelist enforcement (bugfix)

2009-09-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
so setAllowedPlugins probably needs to store its list in a separate key and compare against it first. will commit a patch shortly. OK, I'll cancel the review request ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org

Re: Tokamak 3 - Photos

2009-09-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
p.s. the tracker is http://drako.homelinux.org/announce (i hope it works) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel

Re: Tokamak 3 - Photos

2009-09-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Saturday 12 September 2009 11:03:27 Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote: And someone upload the pictures on flickr for unfortunate people like me whose admins have blocked torrents. I'll upload some of them - they are 100MB in total - a bit too much to send via http :) cheers

Re: Tokamak 3 - Photos

2009-09-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
I've posted some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivan-cukic/sets/72157622346934426/ ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel

Nepomuk+Plasma review

2009-09-23 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi all, Here is the preview of the nepomuk activities for plasma started at T3. This is not in any sense a final version, that is, it will need a lot more testing (with nepomuk both enabled and disabled). Currently, I'm hunting a few bugs left related to activity storing. The good thing is

Re: Nepomuk+Plasma review

2009-09-23 Thread Ivan Čukić
any chance you could put it up on reviewboard? :) Ok, although it is not yet meant for merging. http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1699/ http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1700/ Cheerio ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org

Re: Plasma-Model/View-Nepomuk

2009-10-06 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi, what happens when you just restart plasma (kquitapp plasma-desktop; sleep 2; plasma-desktop) - does it load the data then? How do you access nepomuk? Via its classes or via d-bus? session, when KDE starts, it seems, plasma is started before Nepomuk You can check whether this is the case

Re: plasma+nepomuk activities, take N

2009-10-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Tuesday 13 October 2009 19:17:26 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On October 13, 2009, Ivan Čukić wrote: Since there are bound to be some changes in the concepts behind activities, virtual desktops etc. I'll postpone the plasma+nepomuk integration in order to introduce it alongside the new overview

Re: plasma+nepomuk activities, take N

2009-10-15 Thread Ivan Čukić
I'd still like to see a minimal implementation of this to already get used to having this kind of stuff. So please, don't postpone. Plasma is not the only potential user of this ... Heh, Sebas, you haven't read the rest of the mails :) I was talking about the plasma-ui integration (the

Activities service in KDEreview

2009-10-21 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi all, After some time I spent on the ice due to problems with compiling Qt 4.6, I've finally been able to polish the activities service. It is now in kdereview/nepomuk-activities-service We can not really start doing anything else concerning the activities until this gets accepted. A few

Re: Activities service in KDEreview

2009-10-29 Thread Ivan Čukić
As I understand the code, current activity is globally modal? Yes. Although plasma will be the main manager of activities, other applications can be as well. I'm currently preparing a bit of nepomukification of the storage (as per Sebastian's instructions) - will be committed very soon.

Re: Activities service in KDEreview

2009-10-31 Thread Ivan Čukić
That's interesting, but I am interested in the UI implications of having a single modal current activity. That implies that exactly one activity is visible at one time - including in such exotic setups as second monitors. ee How does your model handle that? Well, this was discussed before

Re: Activities service in KDEreview

2009-11-02 Thread Ivan Čukić
Updated version in kdereview - it uses nepomuk in a much better way. Since the ontology is not yet written, it uses a dummy link http://www.kde.org/ontologies/activities#Activity which can later be changed or made to redirect to a real rdf. If anyone (Sebastian) has a better idea for the url,

Re: Widget Explorer usability problems

2010-01-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
Here is a idea for a way to remove widgets and more than one of the same kind http://imagebin.ca/view/UaQTcxW.html The idea for listing and removing/killing running widgets was to have it in Ctrl+Escape dialogue - just like when killing/listing normal processes. Cheerio. -- You know,

Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)

2010-01-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
who raises hand? :) Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p I love gadgets, so when not working on plasma+nepomuk, I could join the mobile group as well :) Cheerio -- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth

kdeplasma-addons libs

2010-01-18 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi, Are there any requirements for libs in kdeplasma-addons/libs? API, ABI compatibility? I'm asking because I'm thinking of moving liblancelot and liblancelot- datamodels there so that other projects could use them. (including plasma dataengines based on models in L) Cheerio, Ivan

Re: kdeplasma-addons libs

2010-01-18 Thread Ivan Čukić
that they are maintained ;) lol :) Ok, so expect two /new/ libs there soon :) Cheerio! -- Before you talk to me, I should warn you: I am kind of strange ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org

Re: notifications, again :D

2010-01-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
last thing i was thinking about was something that resembles rssnow: http://imagebin.ca/view/fiFONCc.html It /looks/ like a nice idea but whether it really is is hard to tell. The problem I see with it is that it complicates the interaction even more than it is now. We really need Seele for

Re: notifications, again :D

2010-01-26 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Tuesday, 26. January 2010. 11.57.36 Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: On Monday 25 January 2010 13:20:56 Marco Martin wrote: opinions? comments? would like to hear some feedback before implementing anything since each solution would lead to a different total screwing of the current

Re: notifications, again :D

2010-01-26 Thread Ivan Čukić
in general, i agree with the approach you describe, but i think it needs to be a bit more involved behind the scenes to ensure a spammy app doesn't take over and that the notifications and jobs are sensible. which is what my looong email reply describes :) Cool, so we take a operating

Re: T4: Opening Day Presentations

2010-01-26 Thread Ivan Čukić
if you do have a topic you'd like to do a full presentation on, please do add it to the wiki and we will work out a schedule for them. Chani and I will cover the activities. We'll meet on IRC soon to discuss how to divide the topic. Cheerio -- Money can't buy happiness, but neither can

Re: TokamakIV update

2010-02-03 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Wednesday, 3. February 2010. 23.22.20 Lukas Appelhans wrote: Hey! Just to give an update from my side... I will arrive at 18:24 on Friday and will depart at 17:33 on sunday... anyone got the same times (and maybe the same train, it's some ICE)? You should fill that info to T4 page on

Re: activities

2010-02-05 Thread Ivan Čukić
We seem to have two or three definitions of the word activity in kdebase now. Oops. First, there's the original: desktop containments. Second, there's the nepomuk activities: they're UIDs that can have an associated name, and then other arbitrary things can be associated with them. Third,

Re: Tokamak IV breakout groups

2010-02-05 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Friday, 5. February 2010. 21.02.37 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On February 5, 2010, Lukas Appelhans wrote: I think we should have a working group (only for a few hours maybe) about how we manage application menus... (especially interesting for Ivan, ruphy, Nuno et moi) sounds good; let's

Re: Tokamak IV breakout groups

2010-02-08 Thread Ivan Čukić
We may want to integrate it with Nepomuk, get some thoughts about sharing as most code as possible and get some enlightenment on the concept of TOM... This could probably be merged with the mobile one for like even just a couple of hours. I'm not for merging - then we'd have to merge

Re: Tokamak IV breakout groups

2010-02-18 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Thursday 18 February 2010 Marco Martin wrote: On Thursday 18 February 2010, Sebastian Kügler wrote: if you would like to give a presentation, add it to the list as well. I wonder if I should give one on Silk. Not sure in how far it's actually +1 :) Cheerio, Ivan -- Before you

4.5 - Activities

2010-03-08 Thread Ivan Čukić
Ok gang, check out the https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/nepomuk-kde/libactivities The code is currently organized into following: - services/kded The KDED service independent from Nepomuk (that is, it works even if Nepomuk is not enabled, otherwise it passes the necessary info

Re: Tokamak 4 photos

2010-03-08 Thread Ivan Čukić
so i finally uploaded tokamak 4 pics :) sorry, I'm late as always ;-) That reminds me, I should post these few of mine as well :) I created (and am now seeding) a torrent with small versions of the pics i took in nuremberg (already filtering out most crap). photos are small resolution

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
so... I dunno... should we build the API so that it's possible to have 1 visible activity? or should we decide that the activity is completely global, and then figure out how to gracefully handle changes in the number of monitors? I'd prefer the latter, but I just don't have experience

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On March 8, 2010, Ivan Čukić wrote: - libs/consumer ActivityConsumer - basic access to kded service for normal apps ActivityInfo - access to extra info provided by nepomuk - this one will probably get expanded in future. - libs

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
hmm. am i reading this correctly that this kded service is only needed if nepomuk is not there, and that it serves as a cache-in-the-middle between nepomuk and the applications? this seems like a lot of overhead just to this was one of the kwin people wishes. Even with nepomuk, a cache-in-the

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
sorry, i wasn't clear enough. i meant where in kdelibs :) :) I have no idea :) i'd recommend workspace/libs/kworkspace/. runtime isn't for libs :) Ok :) runtime isn't for libs; and i think it does make sense next to Consumer. perhaps they could both go into kdelibs/nepomuk? would have to

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
there's also a penalty for keeping the cache in sync across multiple clients. the other concern is memory usage due to having that cache around ... The cache is in the kded service - so no need to sync anything. Or I misunderstood you? So the memory overhead is not big at all. i'd really

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
kdeui and even kio do not currently depend on nepomuk. a puzzler :) we should ask Sebastian Trueg for some guidance here i think. Well, these classes don't depend on nepomuk directly, that is, no nepomuk linking required. The Controller class is completely usable without it. That's why I

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
ah, and it's transfered over dbus to the client app on each call? Only on request - if the client wants list of activities, it is sent to it. The same goes for (soon to be) activitiesForResource. It is not like those methods should be called that often. The alternative (discussed with kwin

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Thursday 11 March 2010 Marco Martin wrote: even go so far as to suggest that there should be a LocationResource in the ResourceType enumeration. Just a note about types - the enum values are for the built-in support of resource types and are provided for *convenience*, if an application

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
registerDocumentWindow? :) Since we are renaming Document to Resource in the API, any pretty names for this one with the resource in it? (I'm not that thrilled about registerResourceWindow, although it will have to do if we don't find something better...) Cheerio, Ivan -- Money can't

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-26 Thread Ivan Čukić
Updates: - all manager signals converted into listener objects - consumer signals left as is (they are not invoked that often, and are something most applications should respond to eventually) - changed d-bus API to fit the style of other KDE services - added test shell script for nepomuk

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-31 Thread Ivan Čukić
can we get together on irc soon and do a once-over of this and then get it moved into kdereview? Ok, I'll try to be online tomorrow. If not, then the weekend? if we work around subsystems because they don't work well yet then the odds they ever will work well goes down as there is less

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-03-31 Thread Ivan Čukić
the important motivator for nepomuk is applications using it. aka relevance. I agree on this one, I just wanted to point out that our usage of Nepomuk is not that advanced, thrilling or anything to be a driving force for devels. As for relevance, your statement stands ;) how can i say no

Re: 4.5 - Activities

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 Chani wrote: On March 31, 2010 11:37:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On March 31, 2010, Ivan Čukić wrote: can we get together on irc soon and do a once-over of this and then get it moved into kdereview? Ok, I'll try to be online tomorrow

Re: SoC Updates -- Kontact and Skrooge Plasma Dashboards

2010-04-23 Thread Ivan Čukić
You might want more control over the applets than the newspaper containment---again, I'm not sure, but in my experience, apps with different use-cases, form factors, and intended plasma widgets will want While I agree that no containment can suit all applications, if we choose the way of

Re: using org.kde. prefixes to our plugin names

2010-05-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
in one of those better late than never, right? things: i'd like to see us pre-pend org.kde. to all of the X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name= entries in our .desktop files for new plugins we ship, to avoid potential name collisions outside our little universe. Does that mean we could even change the names

Re: Panel icon sizing bug in 4.4

2010-05-23 Thread Ivan Čukić
There appears to be a bug, or at least a change in behavior for panel icon sizing in KDE 4.4 (specifically Debian 4.4.3-2). In previous versions of KDE (e.g., 4.3), panel icons would resize with the panel up to at least 48x48. However, as of KDE 4.4 panel icons appear to be restricted to

Re: Panel icon sizing bug in 4.4

2010-05-23 Thread Ivan Čukić
wait a sec... it's not greyed out for me. I can change the icon size. however, X randomly crashed before I could test whether plasma follows it. now I'm pissed off at my computer, so I'm gonna go do something else. Strange, for the panel icon, it was disabled (for me) since I can remember :)

Re: Panel icon sizing bug in 4.4

2010-05-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
This will be needed in Plasma::PopupApplet as well. I'll can do it when this gets accepted. Cheerio -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun ___

Re: Panel icon sizing bug in 4.4

2010-05-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
Seems to do the trick on my end. Your thoughts? popupapplet:866 When on desktop, popup applet is not an icon, so it should return Plasma::Applet::sizeHint(...) Other things seem ok Cheerio, Ivan -- The bleeding hearts and artists, Make their stand. -- Pink Floyd

Re: 4.5 polishment: krunner (under_the_hood)

2010-05-30 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi Lukas, Or scrape that library and make it a private implementation in krunner It is too late for 4.5. Which is good from my POV since it will be able to integrate with activities in 4.6*. BTW, where is the code located? Cheerio, Ivan * Maybe even get it integrated into the activities

Re: 4.5 polishment: krunner (under_the_hood)

2010-06-01 Thread Ivan Čukić
Well we need if we want to have the applications ranked/get a useful score... AppStats::score() does some final calculations based on the last launched date... Oh, I forgot that. I could make it like: StatsLib::launched(Nepomuk::Resource)... and then And this :) so, we need API

Re: Panel icon sizing bug in 4.4

2010-06-02 Thread Ivan Čukić
One more issue: the simple Application Launcher Menu (which I prefer to kickoff) needs to be fixed too. Attached is a patch based on the Icon applet changes that fixes the MenuLauncher applet too. Sorry, my bad, forgot to commit the changes... it should be ok now. Cheerio, Ivan -- While

Re: dreaming...

2010-06-02 Thread Ivan Čukić
80 euro per hour. That's a tad low (esp with the low euro now) so let me know if that would be completely unacceptable. it completely depends on where in the world the person lives. i'd suggest drafting the timeline and then finding out, based on that, what can be From my point of view

Re: 4.5 polishment: krunner (under_the_hood)

2010-06-07 Thread Ivan Čukić
On Monday, 7. June 2010. Lukas Appelhans wrote: Ok to give you guys an update on this... I will try to move from our own ontology to a more generic one which is already in shareddesktopontologies, for that I've mailed Evgeny so we can discuss how to continue here... The stats need to be

Re: IRC meeting: point of what was done at akademy

2010-07-09 Thread Ivan Čukić
For me, it'd be perfect if this doesn't happen before Monday. Cheerio! -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun ___ Plasma-devel mailing list

Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-11 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi all, At aKademy, Nuno proposed a bit different design for identicons used for plasma activities. 1. The identicons should be showed inside a bubble with background and an overlay. 2. He will make some default icons for users that want to choose specific ones instead of the automatically

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
now, what if $plasmoid wants to use the icon (eg, activity bar)? what if $application wants to use the icon (eg. when associating something with an activity)? it'd be nice if I could see the icons when assigning windows to activities, but I dunno if that'd be possible with autogenerated

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
0. Not going to discuss about the reasoning behind identicons again. 1. Activities are no more only /desktop-setups-group-of-widgets/ so making thumbnails can be counter-productive - you can keep the desktop empty in all activities and still want to use other activity-related features. Or if you

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
me realy does not care much as long as we have something that looks pretty and is easy to recognize by the user, i proposed to do those icons because wen I saw how our Chani chose random icons to represent them, i had my typical your icons look soo ugly used like that feeling...  so I proposed

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
-in the activity configuration, there would be something that looks like a combobox to chose icons, that shows just the set of 20 good ones or an other... option Yeah, we'll need to discuss this one a bit more - whether it is good (usability-wise) to make a separate UI for icon choosing. Maybe

Re: IRC meeting: point of what was done at akademy

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
WORKSFORME as well On 11 July 2010 16:21, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: On Sun 11 July 2010 7:32:14 am Chani wrote: On Saturday, July 10, 2010 03:41:47 am Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 10 July 2010, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On July 9, 2010, Marco Martin wrote: oh, fsck, scrap that: i

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-12 Thread Ivan Čukić
separate UI? wuh? 1 - menu of icons and a 'more...' option 2 - standard icon chooser when 'more...' is clicked I'm starting to wonder if maybe it's not so bad to leave it to the user. After all, we don't try to auto-name the activity for them, new activities currently start at unnamed... One

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
Yeah, I could do that, but while I'm not afraid of reading blogs, typical users won't do that. It'd be really great if by SC 4.6 it was easily I completely agree. For 4.5 it was not the case since we only scratched the surface. discoverable for common users (and advanced users alike) what

Activities protocol

2010-07-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
a.s. This is a cross-post Hi, A few notifications and questions. 1. The ActivityManager (KDED module) now accepts application name/id when the application notifies it that it has opened a document (or any other type of resource that has an url) If the name is not specified, KWindowInfo is used

Re: Activities protocol

2010-07-13 Thread Ivan Čukić
On 13 July 2010 15:45, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: it must be done indeed. but is it possible to automatically unlink it as well when the window is detached from the activity? Yes, but that would be undesired - if you open a file from an activity, it belongs to it. (and possibly

Re: Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi Sebastian, First of all, I hope you are on plasma-devel since a lot of people didn't take me seriously concerning the cross-posting... So applications need to notify it about opening a doc manually? I am asking because I started implementing the exact same thing and we should Yes, the apps

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
Sebastian: once more just so this is not forgotten: there is no need for ranking - at least not on the data level - when linking the activity to the event rather than to the file. Agreed. The only problem I see is that we'll need much more complex queries when sorting the results by usage.

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
i think windows outside of the current activity should be hidden from the taskbar, at least by default. and this must be done in 4.5, otherwise will cause another ser revolt. I agree. The current plan is to have it in 4.5.1 - Chani thinks it would be risky to do it for .0 - not enough testing.

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
I'm not against doing it in 4.5, if someone can do it without introducing bugs I'm willing, but I'll need a hint - how to expose the things you did to libtaskmanager? -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
?event nuao:involves ?r . ?r relatedTo activity (just a rough example) The sorting is the complicated one - it should be done according to some formula like this: sort rating = number-of-times-used / log (days-from-last-usage) (this formula was for when had only those two fields remembered,

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
On July 14, 2010, Luca Beltrame wrote: From what I'm reading on the forums these days, it may happen, as there is already a lot of discussion on activities (sometimes heated). this is not a good reason to make these kinds of decisions. being directed by the popular topic of the day amongst a

Re: Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
which is a bit of a design flaw imho. being able to know what URI(s) a window It is not a design flaw, it is about the design not being used at the moment :) Naturally, once the apps start using our new protocol, we'll have the wid-uri association. (this is the most awesome side effect of

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
Just for completeness: I already have a scoring algorithm that takes the desktop events and a bunch of other criteria into account to score all files and thus, guess which files are most important to the user. Ok then, no complaints from me :) Cheerio

Re: Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
only thing that concernes me a bit is that this kind of association in kwin, and in the kded seems a bit uhm separate This is only temporary -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-14 Thread Ivan Čukić
p.p.s. If you hadn't done anything related to Nepomuk Queries and ||, , ! (and what else we had), I can start making a patch for it. Already in trunk. :) Fantastic :) Exactly. My approach was rather similar to Ivan's I think: I have a dbus service that handles all the events. Apps simply

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-15 Thread Ivan Čukić
The advantage of a DBus API is simple: we could make it a freedesktop standard and share interfaces with systems like Zeitgeit. Yes, that is my idea as well, but still, accessing the dbus api via a higher-layer class makes it easier to change the dbus api as needed (until it becomes fdo

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities protocol

2010-07-15 Thread Ivan Čukić
nothing to do with activities. The currently opened and saved documents are of interest even without activities, right? +1 -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun

Re: IRC meeting: point of what was done at akademy

2010-07-15 Thread Ivan Čukić
I'm not gonna be here before 7 (5pm utc) On 15 July 2010 10:23, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 July 2010, Chani wrote: On July 14, 2010 21:15:23 Ryan Rix wrote: On Wed 14 July 2010 8:41:57 am Marco Martin wrote: just a reminder for everybody meeting at 9:00 am UTC

Invitation: Activities IRC meeting @ Tue Jul 20 7pm - 8pm (plasma-devel@kde.org)

2010-07-16 Thread Ivan Čukić
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Activities IRC meeting

2010-07-16 Thread Ivan Čukić
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Re: Activities IRC meeting

2010-07-16 Thread Ivan Čukić
Probably #nepomuk - less traffic there, so we will not get distracted (I hope) 2010/7/17 Chani chan...@gmail.com: Activities IRC meeting *When* Tue, 20 July, 7pm – 8pm GMT+02:00 *Who* erm... there's no where mentioned. :) #plasma? #nepomuk? -- While you were hanging yourself on

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-17 Thread Ivan Čukić
A small update: - KIdenticonGenerator can now create QIcons as well as QPixmaps - More states - all QIcon::Modes supported - Test applet - Rather pretty :) (maybe kdegames would like pretty marbles like this :) ) - in plasma's playground under libs (Chani will kill me for this) Todo: -

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
maye there could still be a little bit of shading more. like a ight gradient in the bottom part of the marble too and have a 1 pixel light border inside the dark border? The theme can be easily changed. I'll probably leave it up to Nuno :) Cheerio -- While you were hanging yourself on

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
This is just an idea that came to me looking at some mobile GUIs (or was it websites?), but I think that could really work in order to have the common user find out our best features. What do you think? problems with those things is that users tend to find this kind of things abboying

Re: Activity identicons v 1.99 :) (post-akademy)

2010-07-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
speaking of which... *coughs* we still don't have a Welcome Plasmoid, do we? Yep :) Well, this would be nice to have in the welcome plasmoid, but it would be a *huge* thing to implement. -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was

Re: JJ: align these icons

2010-07-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
BTW, to add to this question, why is the applet background drawn now for the items in applet/activity browser!? On 19 July 2010 19:54, Chani chan...@gmail.com wrote: someone adjusted the list thingy that the add-widgets and activity-manager UIs use so that it's prettier and shows the names on

Re: JJ: align these icons

2010-07-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
at that point icons seemed completely detached to the text, so something to join them was needed. the applet background seemed a good choice since those icons represent indeed, applets. From my POV, it would be better to introduce a new svg than to use the applet background. It is like if we

Re: Activities IRC meeting

2010-07-20 Thread Ivan Čukić
fine with me, if I succeed in connecting to it :) 2010/7/20 Sebastian Trüg tr...@kde.org: Any chance we can have this meeting in a jabber conference at nepo...@conference.xabber.de? My internet connection is acting up again. Cheers, Sebastian On 07/16/2010 02:46 PM, Ivan Čukić wrote

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities and desktop events - Results from the meeting

2010-07-21 Thread Ivan Čukić
I'm updating the d-bus service and merging the currently separated nepomuk service into it. (and the playground thingie) Cheerio -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities and desktop events - Results from the meeting

2010-07-21 Thread Ivan Čukić
I think we forgot one thing to discuss - API for data retrieval. We have the API for apps to tell us what they are doing, but we don't have the API for the apps to get, for example, a list of recent/popular/high-rated docs Cheerio -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities and desktop events - Results from the meeting

2010-07-22 Thread Ivan Čukić
For me that always was nepomuk queries but maybe it would be nice to have convenience methods for some special cases. The problem with this approach is that people would need to know how we save the data so that they could write queries. Most of the time, for simple things, this would be too

Re: [Nepomuk] Activities and desktop events - Results from the meeting

2010-07-22 Thread Ivan Čukić
1. Methods that return Nepomuk::Query::Query objects For the time being we could go for this one. We could always add (4.) if needed (if we or somebody else finds it useful to have) later. Eventually, we could even turn this into a data model or something like we have for files. Cheerio, Ivan

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