On Monday 12 December 2005 19:36:26 Adam Gołębiowski wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:01:14AM +0300, Denis Ovsienko wrote:
That would probably require some hacking. You could try to install Th
from scratch into a chroot on another partition and than try to boot
from it. It should be
Tomasz Pala napisał(a):
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 18:14:48 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
boost from concurrency since most programs/daemons don't depend on each
other and don't need to wait for others to start first.
If they don't depend, why do we have priorities in current init scripts?
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 13:54:01 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
We have because some of them depend on others. OTOH Samba, Squid, Apache
and DHCPd rarely depend on each other. ;]
So we can give them the same priority and introduce feature from patrys'
blog: run everything with the same prio
Tomasz Pala napisał(a):
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 13:54:01 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
We have because some of them depend on others. OTOH Samba, Squid, Apache
and DHCPd rarely depend on each other. ;]
So we can give them the same priority and introduce feature from patrys'
blog: run
Take a look at amavisd-new config file - it's de facto a piece of perl
code you must rewrite. Have you got any idea how to automate process of
upgrading it? It takes me about an hour.
No, you don't need to rewrite it with each upgrade. I'm using
amavisd-new for +/- two years and I had to do
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 18:40:24 +0100, Tomasz Grobelny wrote:
Why don't you guys try to write down _requirements_ ie. list of properties
that the new system must have before introducing it to PLD?
Because some people tried to convince me, that it is done and we must
only adapt some scripting
Dnia Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:32:06 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Because some people tried to convince me, that it is done and we must
only adapt some scripting to PLD. So if it exists I wanted to know how
it works. It turned out that there's noone here who knows anything more
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:01:01PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:32:06 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Because some people tried to convince me, that it is done and we must
only adapt some scripting to PLD. So if it exists I wanted to know how
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 19:18 +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?TWFyY2luIEtyw7Ns?= wrote:
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as
well,
other distros also make new versions and move on forward.
For me personally if
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 15:05 +0100, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:22PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
It's ok as long, as we make ISO-s from time to time.
That is the part of always in developement idea.
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th.
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 16:07 +0100, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:54:20PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:52:49 +0100, Adam Gołębiowski
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On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:22PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
1) Maintain my
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 16:14:34 -0700, Aredridel wrote:
Have you seen a distro that supports full machine upgrade (incl.
configuration fixes/rewrites) in less than one night ?
Let's be the first.
Take a look at amavisd-new config file - it's de facto a piece of perl
code you must
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:09:11 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
You could give it a try: bootchart.org
Nice, but I don't have a place to run it;/
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On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 18:14:48 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
boost from concurrency since most programs/daemons don't depend on each
other and don't need to wait for others to start first.
If they don't depend, why do we have priorities in current init scripts?
If we abandon priorities,
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 16:53:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that, because it doesn't work yet and that's why the whole idea is wrong
No, I'm not saying. I'm STILL asking some 'HOW' questions and don't get
answers.
to start with. There are possibilites which we could utilize and give me
Why don't you guys try to write down _requirements_ ie. list of properties
that the new system must have before introducing it to PLD?
On Thursday 15 December 2005 15:56, Tomasz Pala wrote:
Assume that my OSPF dies (it happens with PLD quagga). It's not
restarted by supervisor because I've
Dnia Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:56:19 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Because I completely don't understand what You questions mean (like 'how
to run services), it's better You look into the packages yourself
(initng-pld) and then ask. If You want to learn scripting in initng go
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 09:10:33PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had already written that it can be nice feature on desktops. But when
your system becomes operational? Means working services - that's what
customers may be interested with.
Are You sure You've read previous posts?
Dnia Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:19:46 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Are you sure you've read mine? Don't you understand what means RUNNING
service, SERVING requests? It's not the same as 'I can login and write
blablabla in shell'.
Parallel running via backgrounding jobs gives
I have a suggestion:
Lets stop feeding the troll.
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Dnia 14-12-2005, śro o godzinie 18:00 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa
napisał(a):
I have a suggestion:
Lets stop feeding the troll.
To add to the discussion (support for faster parallel booting before
init-ng): http://patrys.jogger.pl/comment.php?eid=161721 (pl_PL only)
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Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:56:55 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Anyway I simply do not believe, that
it's 'proven' to be two times faster, especially when speaking of
machines which have some real load.
I'm testing it right now on my laptop( yea - it doesn't have this much
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:55:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm testing it right now on my laptop( yea - it doesn't have this much
load, but it runnes few server-like daemons, like apache and mysql + pgsql
). The boot speeds up *really*! X starts in like 10sec from powering on
Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:55:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm testing it right now on my laptop( yea - it doesn't have this much
load, but it runnes few server-like daemons, like apache and mysql + pgsql
). The boot speeds up *really*! X starts in like 10sec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:56:55 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Anyway I simply do not believe, that
it's 'proven' to be two times faster, especially when speaking of
machines which have some real load.
I'm testing it right now on my laptop( yea -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:13:06 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
Maybe you need just to have a choice ?
Exactly.
Choice means maintaining two stes of init scripts.
Nope. The current init scripts could be modified to expose all the
needed
Dnia Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:05:06 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
I had already written that it can be nice feature on desktops. But when
your system becomes operational? Means working services - that's what
customers may be interested with.
Are You sure You've read previous
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:01:14AM +0300, Denis Ovsienko wrote:
That would probably require some hacking. You could try to install Th
from scratch into a chroot on another partition and than try to boot
from it. It should be more secure than installing from scratch.
Is there any
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 02:06:39 +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
mass murder by supervisor bug. I do trust init and that's all.
Maybe you need just to have a choice ?
Exactly.
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Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 18:56:28 +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
Irrevelant? My customers _do_ care if a maintenance break (e.g. reboot
during kernel upgrate) lasts 5 or 10 minutes.
If so, why don't you use some HA? Anyway I simply do not believe, that
it's 'proven' to be
Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 21:29:59 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These two alternatives are where we should search for a way out. Or we
hold an enviroment to build patches and so on (the question is how long
and how many steps back).
The '???' alternative sound great
Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?TWFyY2luIEtyw7Ns?= wrote:
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as well,
other distros also make new versions and move on forward.
For me personally if we will switch to awlays in developement distro
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 05:56:56PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
But think about big transitions, such as gcc - when most of
C++/Fortran/Ada/GCJ-based Java stuff must be rebuilt. And many programs
appear broken, so they wouldn't exist in distro even for few months.
All those programs will not
Well... we can see Ac as such development tree for gcc/glibc transition
after Ra. Ac hasn't been released yet not because it was too early to
release something new, but because it was never considered complete...
The truth for me is that Ac wasn't released yet because most of us are
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 22:48:45 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
http://initng.thinktux.net/index.php/Boot_charts_Official
First check, than argue.
With pleasure. Just tell me what to install and I will do it on one of
my backup systems.
remain simillar. The simplest reason I can think of
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 23:10:40 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
We can have ready and test. Ready could be then used for bug-fixes and
critical updates before the whole new environment is complete.
Just ONE thing: where would you inject gcc4?
Second? I've got BIG problem with mysql in AC,
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 00:32:23 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
You are free to create mysql40.spec in the way that it can coexist with
current mysql.
I'm waiting for glen with his mysql4 ;
And as it's to be done in my job I'm waiting for agreement from my
employer to license/sth. BTW
Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 22:48:45 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
http://initng.thinktux.net/index.php/Boot_charts_Official
First check, than argue.
With pleasure. Just tell me what to install and I will do it on one of
my backup systems.
I've tried once to make it run
Hi
I have a working 2.0 installed. How can I switch it to 3.0 to continue
learning ways to incorporate /etc/net into PLD?
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On Sunday 11 December 2005 02:38, Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:23:12 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
Small chances for such think to work, as many of our services shall
return HGW instead of DONE.
Huh? You seem to have no idea how supervising is usually done. The
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 14:06:39 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
background for user but foreground for supervising process. We don't use it
I see. However I'm afraid there will be problems with services starting
a few different processes, like jabber (router, resolver, sn, c2s, s2s).
I
It's ok as long, as we make ISO-s from time to time.
That is the part of always in developement idea.
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as well,
other distros also make new versions and move on forward.
For me personally if we will
On Sunday 11 of December 2005 12:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's ok as long, as we make ISO-s from time to time. I can't see what's
blah blah blah
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as well,
other distros also make new versions and move on forward. There is no
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 14:06:39 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
I don't care about faster startup. I care only about one thing - start
service
again if it died.
Such watchdog can be simply created by croning `service [/etc/init.d/*]
status`.
On Sunday 11 December 2005 03:38, Tomasz Pala wrote:
No idea. Maybe bind requires network while zebra becomes part of network
when it's installed?
bind requires interfaces (to bind to) - that's for sure. But how about
routing? Dependency means 'can stand up and WILL work if...' (bind to
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:22PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
It's ok as long, as we make ISO-s from time to time.
That is the part of always in developement idea.
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as well,
other distros also make
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:34:31 +0100, Adam Gołębiowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
In case you didn't notice, NEST was disbaned some time ago.
In deed I didn't - so it was? Didn't know that - sry
Nevertheless don't make a second NEST out of TH!?
NEST was
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:47:45 +0100, Daniel Dominik Rudnicki
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
let jut RMs and CDG do the job ok ?
blah blah blah
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Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:52:49 +0100, Adam Gołębiowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:22PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
1) Maintain my machines, by simply doing poldek --upgrade-dist out of
stable tree. Occasionally there will be need to do some manual upgrades
like
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:52:36 -0500, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
That's a very ugly solution. I haven't been following this
init.d discussion too closely, but what you're proposing is
ugly.
Daemons shouldn't die and they don't without any reason. I've got only
one broken - ospf, if you have
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:54:20PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:52:49 +0100, Adam Gołębiowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:22PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
1) Maintain my machines, by simply doing poldek --upgrade-dist out of
stable
Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:52:36 -0500, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
That's a very ugly solution. I haven't been following this
init.d discussion too closely, but what you're proposing is
ugly.
Daemons shouldn't die and they don't without any reason. I've got only
one
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:07:23 +0100, Jakub Bogusz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
And what can I do with ISO full of security holes (or other serious
bugs), with only binary-incompatible updates on ftp?
Every sytem gets outdated and with security holes with time. We do the
main ftp the best w
On Sunday 11 of December 2005 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
blah blah blah
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 16:10:19 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
The startup time with init-ng is proved to be less than a half compared
to plain SysVinit.
With 3-6 months uptimes it's irrevelant if restart due to new kernel
takes 5 or 10 minutes.
My conclusion coming from this discussion is
But think about big transitions, such as gcc - when most of
C++/Fortran/Ada/GCJ-based Java stuff must be rebuilt. And many programs
appear broken, so they wouldn't exist in distro even for few months.
All those programs will not exist, but just in devel tree on ftp. They
however will still
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:31:33PM +0100, Tomasz Pala wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 16:10:19 +0100, Jakub Piotr Cłapa wrote:
The startup time with init-ng is proved to be less than a half compared
to plain SysVinit.
With 3-6 months uptimes it's irrevelant if restart due to new kernel
=?UTF-8?B?TWFyY2luIEtyw7Ns?= wrote:
I can't see what's
bothering ppl bout dying ac and th. Windows 98 and 95 and ME died as well,
other distros also make new versions and move on forward.
For me personally if we will switch to awlays in developement distro
it would be easier to:
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:31:33 +0100, Tomasz Pala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
My conclusion coming from this discussion is that's desktop solution,
not server one. Am I right?
The equasion is simple - I see new functionality added, few new fatures,
faster boot and nothing taken - so, where
Dnia Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:06:58 +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
- building a bugfix package and move it to main - not possible because of
incompatible builder envinronment
- ???
These two alternatives are where we should search for a way out. Or we
hold an
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marcin_Kr=F3l?= wrote:
Upgrade from Ra to Ac == 1 night at server room for every production
machine. And this will IMO not change in Ac-Th transition or any other
leater X-Y transition.
Have you seen a distro that supports full machine upgrade (incl.
configuration
Have you seen a distro that supports full machine upgrade (incl.
configuration fixes/rewrites) in less than one night ?
Of course not, but less differences == less time in server room. Which
leads me to conclusion: no matter what philosophy we will choose we
should be releasing stable
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 18:56:28 +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
Irrevelant? My customers _do_ care if a maintenance break (e.g. reboot
during kernel upgrate) lasts 5 or 10 minutes.
If so, why don't you use some HA? Anyway I simply do not believe, that
it's 'proven' to be two times faster,
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 19:01:55 +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
That would be in an ideal world. Daemons have resource leaks and will be
To my information: which one?
killed when reach the resource limit (with process supervision ulimit
becomes very usefull).
Hmmm... what's with ulimit
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 21:29:59 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These two alternatives are where we should search for a way out. Or we
hold an enviroment to build patches and so on (the question is how long
and how many steps back).
The '???' alternative sound great - but we have to
Tomasz Pala wrote:
It's nice solution for fast system startup (but I doubt it's
signifficant change - do me a favour and add '' at the end of
/etc/rc.d/rc line 213 to check it please). Process supervising if
configurable can be nice feature too, but for me it's not worth risking
mass murder
That would probably require some hacking. You could try to install Th
from scratch into a chroot on another partition and than try to boot
from it. It should be more secure than installing from scratch.
Is there any documentation on installing 3.0 from scratch?
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The time has almost come.
There will be one more bigger move from ready to main but it will be the last
one. Futher updates to main tree won't be allowed unless it's important
bugfix or missing package.
If installer isn't (and won't) be ready - well, we can't do anything about
that. The
Dnia sobota 10 grudzień 2005 15:01, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz napisał:
I think it's also time to make a TODO list - there are still some things (eg.
lirc em8300 for 2.6) missing...
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Dnia Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:01:44 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
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The time has almost come.
Great!!! now that's talkin!
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The time has almost come.
That can't be... ;)
There will be one more bigger move from ready to main but it will be the last
one. Futher updates to main tree won't be allowed unless it's important
bugfix or missing package.
And we'll finish the way Ra did.
If installer isn't (and won't)
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 09:11:50PM +0100, Marcin Król wrote:
The time has almost come.
That can't be... ;)
There will be one more bigger move from ready to main but it will be the
last
one. Futher updates to main tree won't be allowed unless it's important
bugfix or missing
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 09:44:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:11:50 +0100, Marcin Król [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał:
How about making Th always in developement like it
was proposed on devel-pl (or discuss, I'm not sure).
How about You using NEST instead of
Dnia Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:34:31 +0100, Adam Gołębiowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał:
In case you didn't notice, NEST was disbaned some time ago.
In deed I didn't - so it was? Didn't know that - sry
Nevertheless don't make a second NEST out of TH!?
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
The time has almost come.
Yay!
Question: Th is 3.0. Is there any other difference? Any
philosophical changes? e.g. smaller packages, more packages,
fewer dependencies, different compiler flags?
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On Saturday 10 December 2005 23:41, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
The time has almost come.
Yay!
Question: Th is 3.0. Is there any other difference? Any
philosophical changes? e.g. smaller packages, more packages,
fewer dependencies, different
How about You using NEST instead of PLD?
Go and grep some list archives to learn what was philosophy of NEST and
what was proposed for Th. It was something completly different. Making
Th always in developement doesn't mean making Th always unstable.
M.
Ra was OK as stable system for servers for about a year.
Ac should be released two years ago ;)
Thats true, Ra was _very_ stable... and still is :) I hope that
releasing Th will take us less time than releasing Ac :) I'm just
worried that one maybe two years after relesing Ac almost everyone
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 23:53:04 +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
rc-scripts and replacing it with something that could supervise services,
start things based on dependencies (not priorites) but at this moment no one
Small chances for such think to work, as many of our services shall
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 07:43:17PM -0500, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 01:07, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
smaller sets of architectures.
What do you mean?
lftp
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 07:43:17PM -0500, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 01:07, Andrew A. Gill wrote:
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