Re: [PLUG] ssh pass phrase issue

2022-12-14 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Have you used the -v option with ssh. This option gives you a lot more information on who is asking what. Regards, Ken On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 9:28 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > I assume that when I want to log into my web site, and am asked for my pass > phrase, it's my local host asking

Re: [PLUG] File system permissions

2022-02-18 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, You say these mounts are on a server. How are the mounts exported to your workstation? Ken On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 1:59 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On this host /mnt has 755 perms while /mnt/backup and /mnt/hd both have 777 > perms. I and root can write to /mnt/backup but neither of us

Re: [PLUG] Desktop slow loading applications

2021-12-08 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Have you tried to convert your image to another format and insert it into your document? Just a hunch. Ken On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:02 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > Similar to Dick's slowness issue, today in the middle of writing a document > using LyX when I try to insert a graphic figure

Re: [PLUG] Two monitors, two applications

2021-10-26 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, You can configure your second monitor as an extension of your current desktop. I have not tried using two desktops. I run three monitors with lots of applications running in one desktop. Ken On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:44 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > Running Slackware-14.2/x86_64 with

Re: [PLUG] GIMP text editing help needed

2021-09-10 Thread Ken Stephens
to one layer which then loses all its smarts. Good luck,, Ken On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 12:13 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 2021, Ken Stephens wrote: > > > Did you make the layer active? Check you layers menu. > > Ken, > > I think so. It's background in the layer b

Re: [PLUG] GIMP text editing help needed

2021-09-10 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Did you make the layer active? Check you layers menu. Ken On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:40 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > Running gimp-2.8.18-x86_64-1_slack14.2. > > I want to change the font sizes in the text in two layers over a background > image. So, I read Chapter 9 (Text Management) and

Re: [PLUG] bash environment when ssh'ing?

2021-06-30 Thread Ken Stephens
Thanks for the pointers. Now it is as clear as milk. I added echo statements to: /etc/profile /etc/bashrc ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_login ~/.bash_profile ssh myLogin@thatSystem Last login: Wed Jun 30 15:35:44 2021 from mySystem /etc/profile /etc/bashrc /data/kens/.bash_profile /data/kens/.bashrc

Re: [PLUG] Perl: module fails to install

2021-06-21 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, I wonder if you use the pip module to install gtk3? python3 -m pip install gtk3 or is the CPAN module the pip module?\ Ken, sitting at a chromebook with servers resting for the night. On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 7:28 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Robert Citek wrote: > >

Re: [PLUG] Recommended method for destroying a failed SSD

2021-05-20 Thread Ken Stephens
Vat of salt water? On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:22 PM Jason Barnett wrote: > Just pry the controller chip off of the PCBA. Maybe not good enough for Top > Secret documents, but will keep any scavenger from getting the data. > > - Sent from my pocket computing telecommunications device. All typos

Re: [PLUG] Web site access issues

2021-02-11 Thread Ken Stephens
Dick, Rich, and Jason, Try clearing your cache, cookies, etc. If that does not work, then maybe snail mail?:-) Ken On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:44 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, Dick Steffens wrote: > > > In Firefox, did you try, from the menu, [ File > New Private Window > >

Re: [PLUG] Using curl for file transfer

2021-02-09 Thread Ken Stephens
Single quotes around the email addess? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:09 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > I use a program that uses curl to automate ftp file transfers. The problem > I have run into is the username for the ftp account is an email address ( > u...@host.com). When I enter the information in

Re: [PLUG] How best to connect a subnet of Pi Zeros? (Eric House)

2021-01-28 Thread Ken Stephens
Eric, How about reading in the lines from a file stored nearby? Just wondering. Ken On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:53 AM Eric House wrote: > >> What are you planning to do with these Zeros? Are they going to be part > >> of a cluster or just doing randomly things independently of each other? >

Re: [PLUG] Execute Script Via Email

2021-01-21 Thread Ken Stephens
I set up a printing queue in 1991 using a shell script that polled a directory for a file. You could set up email users for each command and have the script poll the mail queues. It would execute a given command for each user. There is always another way to do it in Linux. Ken On Thu, Jan 21,

Re: [PLUG] Which applications depend on specific library version

2020-12-27 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, If you need to crawl, use find. Ken On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 2:01 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, Ken Stephens wrote: > > > You could use the stat command > > <https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/display-file-or-file-system-status.html> > > t

Re: [PLUG] Which applications depend on specific library version

2020-12-26 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, You could use the stat command to list the library files after running your favorite python3 applications. Then move accessed files over to the site-packages directory. Ken On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:31 AM Rich

Re: [PLUG] No sound

2020-12-18 Thread Ken Stephens
Dick, Another way to control sound is use your desktop menu and go to settings->sound and try the various settings. Depends on the window manager menu. But command line like Rich suggests is good, too. Ken On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 3:02 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2020, Dick

[PLUG] Driver question (SOLVED)

2020-12-14 Thread Ken Stephens
Ken Stephens Dec 10, 2020, 10:08 PM (4 days ago) I subscribe to a monthly electronic surprise box. This month's surprise is a Propeller 2 8x32bit processor on a circuit board that connects to a computer with U Tom Dec 10, 2020, 10:26 PM (4 days ago) to me, Portland This message has been deleted

Re: [PLUG] Driver question

2020-12-11 Thread Ken Stephens
Galen, Yes I did before I soldered it to the board. Even checked the voltage: 3.22 V. Thanks, Ken On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:19 AM Galen Seitz wrote: > On 12/11/20 10:52 AM, Ken Stephens wrote: > > Jonathan, > > > > I've tried it on Tinkerboard, Jetson Nano, my Fedora L

Re: [PLUG] Driver question

2020-12-11 Thread Ken Stephens
to read its ID. Without reading the ID, my systems won't communicate with it. Thanks, Ken On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:37 AM Johnathan Mantey wrote: > Do you have a different PC to make the attempt? > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Stephens > wrote: > > > Just plugging

Re: [PLUG] Driver question

2020-12-11 Thread Ken Stephens
Dec 11 09:45:50 2020] usb 2-1.1: device not accepting address 31, error -32 [Fri Dec 11 09:45:50 2020] usb 2-1-port1: unable to enumerate USB device Exasperated, Ken On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ken Stephens wrote: > # lsusb > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 17e9:4301 DisplayLink > Bus 002 D

Re: [PLUG] Driver question

2020-12-11 Thread Ken Stephens
u, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:08 PM Ken Stephens > wrote: > > > I subscribe to a monthly electronic surprise box > > <https://www.instructables.com/HackerBox-0061-Props/>. This month's > > surprise is a Propeller 2 8x32bit processor on a circuit board that > > connec

[PLUG] Driver question

2020-12-10 Thread Ken Stephens
I subscribe to a monthly electronic surprise box . This month's surprise is a Propeller 2 8x32bit processor on a circuit board that connects to a computer with USB. The circuit board and chip are RT232RL Serial USB Interface. The FT232RL

Re: [PLUG] Accessing printer from Virtual Box on a laptop

2020-12-10 Thread Ken Stephens
Denis, How about sharing your host computer's printer that is configured for the wireless printer and not trying to configure the wireless printer directly from your virtual machine? Ken On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:06 PM Denis Heidtmann wrote: > I have a printer connected to a desktop machine

Re: [PLUG] Home Automation mochad netcat ha-bridge

2020-12-05 Thread Ken Stephens
Michael, Put the startup command in the /etc/rc.local. The OS is a systemd system, but you can turn on rc.local.service with systemctl. You should add the & at the end on the command in rc.local so it can complete. If there is no rc.local file create one and make it executable. Ken On Sat,

Re: [PLUG] Java on RPi Zero

2020-12-04 Thread Ken Stephens
Michael, You might try using a web interface rather than java. You might be able to use javascript instead. Ken On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:22 PM Michael Barnes wrote: > Mixing the old with the new. All my Christmas lights run on X-10 modules. > I'm trying to interface them with my Alexa. I

Re: [PLUG] Anyone using Linux based speech recognition for text entry?

2020-11-10 Thread Ken Stephens
Richard, Have you looked into the python module pyttsx3? It does have limited voices, but they are understandable. HTH, Ken On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:46 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 11/08/2020 11:15 PM, VY wrote: > > This is sort of related to your question. > > > > I have needs to do speech

Re: [PLUG] nVidia settings errors

2020-10-18 Thread Ken Stephens
Couple of things: 1. Did you try to change ownership of /home/rsteff/.config/ibus/bus to root? 2. I you want to appear exactly like root when you sudo do: 'sudo su -' The dash makes su take the new user's environment. Sometimes it's handy to keep your environment sometimes it's not. HTH On

Re: [PLUG] Scanner dependent on USB port

2020-02-02 Thread Ken Stephens
Permissions??? On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 11:47 AM Alan wrote: > On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 06:18 -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > > My desktop host has an Asus Prime X470-Pro motherboard and USB3.x > > ports on > > the rear panel plus two on the front panel. > > > > I have a 7-port USB3.x hub connected to

Re: [PLUG] Hardware question

2019-10-27 Thread Ken Stephens
Anything on line about the board? Use the full description. On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 9:08 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, Ken Stephens wrote: > > > Have you looked on the board for the Jack number? Silkscreens usually > have > > the jack number printed

Re: [PLUG] Hardware question

2019-10-27 Thread Ken Stephens
Have you looked on the board for the Jack number? Silkscreens usually have the jack number printed on the board. Good luck, Ken On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:55 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > I'm still not receiving messages from the plug mail list. This response is > to a message on the archive: > >

Re: [PLUG] nohup question

2019-09-18 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Why not let cron run the downloads? Ken On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:24 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > Oh! The shameless docker promotion! :-P > > Another +1 here for screen. It really is the K.I.S.S. solution. > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:51 PM Russell Senior > wrote: > > > +1 for screen. > >

Re: [PLUG] Imaging CF card...

2019-08-08 Thread Ken Stephens
Micheal, You using losetup to mount the image to a /dev/loop0? Ken On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:37 AM wrote: > The server uses a CF card in place of a hard disk. The server oddly enough > is Windows 98 SE based. I have a CentOS 7 box with a USB CF card reader. > I am trying to image the CF card

Re: [PLUG] C program: builds but segfaults when invoked

2019-08-02 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Have you ever used strace on the program. You might be able to find where if segfaults. strace Ken On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 5:38 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > I'm working with the developer on this but we could benefit from additional > ideas from experienced C programmers. > > I use

Re: [PLUG] Brother 9840CDW Fedora 30...

2019-07-08 Thread Ken Stephens
Michael, Found this for you with a DuckDuckgo search: https://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn1.html. I searched for "ppd file for Brother 9840CDW". Ken On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:15 PM Michael Christopher Robinson < mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote: > Anyone get this printer

Re: [PLUG] Distro suggestions

2019-06-29 Thread Ken Stephens
Fedora is most like OpenSUSE On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 9:21 AM David Fleck wrote: > For reasons not necessary to go into here, this long-time FreeBSD/OpenSUSE > user needs to move to a new laptop* Linux distribution, and I have the > following choices: > CentOS > Fedora > Mint > Ubuntu > > I use

Re: [PLUG] How do I get ssh to not challenge for a password

2019-06-12 Thread Ken Stephens
> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've never used ssh-copy-id (presumably adding a public key to an > > > > authorized_keys file). Have you checked the permissions on the .ssh > > > > directory and contents? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 11,

[PLUG] How do I get ssh to not challenge for a password

2019-06-11 Thread Ken Stephens
Fedora 29 both systems. Laptop does not challenge for password after ssh-copy-id from atlas. atlas challenges after ssh-copy-id from laptop. stopped sshd service on atlas and started on command line as root with /usr/sbin/sshd &. atlas does not challenge for password, accepts key. Where and what

Re: [PLUG] Audio goes away

2019-04-08 Thread Ken Stephens
Chuck, You could be running alsa. Check status by: systemctl status alsa-state.service Another check: systemctl status alsa-restore.service Ken On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:10 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, I thought I had a bad component on the mobo, but testing seems to be > sending me > in

Re: [PLUG] Modem Retrains Every 1/2 hour or so

2019-03-21 Thread Ken Stephens
are OK. Ken On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:53 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Ken Stephens wrote: > > > Talked with a laid back John who seemed to know his stuff. > ... > > The modem just does not know that so it spends its time retraining > itself. > >

Re: [PLUG] Modem Retrains Every 1/2 hour or so

2019-03-21 Thread Ken Stephens
I finally connected to Centurylink DPON service using the 800-788-3600. Talked with a laid back John who seemed to know his stuff. The standard service center kept giving me a number that would never let me out of automation hell. I am on a Digital Passive Optical Network which does not use

[PLUG] Modem Retrains Every 1/2 hour or so

2019-03-21 Thread Ken Stephens
Anybody have any idea what is causing this? 03/21/2019 10:59:30 AM DSL Link Ethernet WAN Mode, Stop to turn on DSL RED led 1 03/21/2019 11:12:49 AM DSL Link Line 0: xDSL G.994 training 03/21/2019 11:12:52 AM DSL Link Line 0: ADSL link down 03/21/2019 11:13:22 AM DSL Link Ethernet

Re: [PLUG] USB drive

2019-03-04 Thread Ken Stephens
uld be asleep before being plugged in. Unless, it > is one of those 3.5" with its own power. > > Perhaps we need to know little more about what kind of drive this is, > beside how slow is a slow? > > Tomas > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 7:41 PM Bill Barry wrote: > &g

[PLUG] USB drive

2019-03-04 Thread Ken Stephens
I have a USB drive housing with one drive in it. When I plug it into my Fedora 28 Workstation, the system sits for quite a while before it recognizes it. Is there something I can do to speed up the process? TIA, Ken ___ PLUG mailing list

Re: [PLUG] Right to Repair campaign

2019-02-28 Thread Ken Stephens
Russell and Rich, I wonder if the electric car or any automobile would be considered under this bill? Ken On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:55 AM Russell Senior wrote: > Gorsek is one of the sponsors. It can't hurt to let the know you support it > and are tracking the bill. > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019

Re: [PLUG] large format (>=13 x >=20-inches) flatbed scanners?

2019-01-30 Thread Ken Stephens
Russell (with two 's's and two 'l's), Right Angle in Tigard has every kind of plotter and a copy camera, too. Right Angle Ken On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 5:17 PM Jim Karlock wrote: > Haven't been there in years, but Kinko's (now FedEx), but I think I > recall a large

Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice tutorials?

2018-11-06 Thread Ken Stephens
Rod, Will a table do with a box to check? Ken On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:45 AM Roderick Anderson wrote: > Sorry for being off topic but my Google foo is failing me. > > I'm am trying to create a Writer Form that doesn't need an external > database. > > The form will be a membership application

Re: [PLUG] IBM acquires Redhat

2018-10-29 Thread Ken Stephens
Check out Cringely's article on IBM and Red Hat. https://www.cringely.com/ On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:26 PM Larry Brigman wrote: > Not 100% sure on that last comment as most of the people running the > infrastructure/Build systems are Redhat Employees. > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:16 PM Ben

Re: [PLUG] asking for suggestions on how to resolve a DNS issue

2018-08-25 Thread Ken Stephens
Randall, Check your /etc/resolv.conf file. It should contain your DNS server IP address. You can usually use your router as the DNS server or put in the DNS server your router uses. Ken On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:31 PM logical american wrote: > Hello > > I upgraded my system from openSuse

[PLUG] CUPs: can't live with it. Can't live without it.

2018-08-02 Thread Ken Stephens
I have a print server and client. Both run Fedora 28 and cups (cups-2.2.6-16.fc28.x86_64). The print server prints fine for the connected printer, but the client will not print until it is rebooted. Then any print is printed. But try to print after that, it won't. Firewalls have been disabled

Re: [PLUG] IP address for a virtual machine?

2018-07-27 Thread Ken Stephens
The command line command to get all that information in Windows is 'ipconfig'. I kept getting that mixed up with ifconfig when I use to go back and forth between Window$ and Linux. Regards, Ken On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:57 PM wes wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:41 PM, John Jason Jordan

Re: [PLUG] SANE not quite easy - Resolution

2018-06-28 Thread Ken Stephens
In the sixties, the only way I could afford taking pictures was doing my own processing. Much better than the commercial shops. Ken On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:45 PM Russell Senior wrote: > Some film processing is better than others. I have some excellent prints > (and negatives) from early

Re: [PLUG] Emacs macro slows with repeated use

2018-06-17 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, As I understand processor performance, the longer a process runs the smaller time-slice it gets. This seems counter intuitive to me, but if this weren't the case, a process could hog the processor and would not let other processes run. Ken On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 8:44 AM Rich Shepard

Re: [PLUG] How do I talk to it

2018-06-10 Thread Ken Stephens
n /dev to see if it was there but no joy. I > see the > device appear on my desktop as a ST MicroSD Flash, but I cannot find where > to setup a link to the thing. > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Ken Stephens > > wrote: > > > Chuck, > > > > Yo

Re: [PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

2018-05-30 Thread Ken Stephens
Johnathan, Rich, Thomas, Thanks for the replies. I added an isolated "5" to the grub.cfg. Rebooted. No effect. I think I will just login and issue startx. Enough is enough. Thanks for the suggestions. Regards to all, Ken On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 30

Re: [PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

2018-05-30 Thread Ken Stephens
start" command. This launched GDM if it > > wasn't running already. > > Fedora probably has whatever systemd stupidness the kids are promoting > > these days. It reads a service config file and launches the daemon > > described in that file. In your case this should be GDM. >

Re: [PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

2018-05-30 Thread Ken Stephens
default graphical.target > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 30, 2018, 11:16 AM Ken Stephens > > wrote: > > > >> Johnathan, > >> > >> No entry about run levels in grub.cfg. Still searching and scratching > >> head. >

Re: [PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

2018-05-30 Thread Ken Stephens
check for a solo "3" and > change it to a "5", which is the run level for UI. > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Ken Stephens > > wrote: > > > Ali, > > > > Thanks, but there is no /var/log/Xorg. I can start X using startx after > > l

[PLUG] Some how my system boots into text mode

2018-05-30 Thread Ken Stephens
I am puzzled. Ages ago I did something to stop my Fedora 26 system from booting into graphical login mode. I wish I could remember or identify what I did, but age and time have intervened. #systemctl status default.target ● graphical.target - Graphical Interface Loaded: loaded

Re: [PLUG] Machine won't boot from USB drive

2018-04-29 Thread Ken Stephens
Dick, You can use dd to copy the iso to a USB stick. dd if= of= bs=1M It's that simple. Regards, Ken On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 04/29/2018 04:32 PM, John Meissen wrote: > >> d...@dicksteffens.com said: >> >>> I've downloaded the Ubuntu

[PLUG] Printer problems Linux to Linux cups printers

2018-04-16 Thread Ken Stephens
I just spent 2 days working on a problem I have had for a few years. My laptop Fedora system CUPS client would not use the Fedora Desktop CUPS print server. It finally boiled down to the laptop was configured as a local printer using a network socket via IPP protocol. I searched the web for

Re: [PLUG] System issue: application build fails to find installed library

2018-03-18 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, I find the if an install does not say a particular library is installrf, but find that it is installed in my package manager, I have to install the development library. The development library (in Fedora, it usually is the library-devel package) contains the include files for which the

Re: [PLUG] Latest openproject not working...

2018-03-15 Thread Ken Stephens
Micheal, Mayby your rpm database is corrupted. Rebuild it with: rpmdb --rebuilddb. Ken On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:01 AM, michael wrote: > On 2018-03-15 09:52, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, michael wrote: >> >> I'm not opposed to paying for support,

Re: [PLUG] Dell Optiplex 360 BIOS update

2018-03-12 Thread Ken Stephens
Rich, Is the file on the flash drive an ISO image? If so, try the external USB CDROM Drive. If it does not work, you have lost nothing. Ken On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > A while ago I bought a Dell Optiplex 360 from FreeGeek and I'm now >

Re: [PLUG] Getting up from chair brings desktop out of suspend

2018-02-21 Thread Ken Stephens
The mouse is sensing the vibrations you cause when scooting your chair back. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > Setting anxiety aside, to address the non-EMI possibilities: > > I am running Ubuntu 16.04. I use the drop-down menu entry

Re: [PLUG] Virtual Box hard crashes desktop system

2018-02-05 Thread Ken Stephens
Sounds like you need to install the extension pack for your upgraded VB. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Tony Schlemmer wrote: > My base OS is Win7 and I run a guest operator system of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. > My Ubuntu would not boot.

Re: [PLUG] Another SpiritOne Question

2017-12-11 Thread Ken Stephens
Be warned that when you switch to fiber and have phone service through Centurylink, your "land" line will be powered off your house power. One of the reasons they want you to switch to fiber is that they no longer have to power your phone. Saves them money in the long run. Ken On Sun, Dec 10,

Re: [PLUG] Need to use DBus...

2017-12-02 Thread Ken Stephens
Michael, Back in the dark ages of last century, I wrote a c-shell script that sent CAD plots to a plotter from two different CAD systems. I discovered that the file size started at zero and then grew to the final size. I would watch the files size and wait until it was stable for at least a