Re: [PLUG] Thunderbird Changes

On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: When did the developers decide against DFWAB? (Don't Fix What Ain't Broke) Anyway, back to my opening rant, what is the point of all these changes? Do they fix something? For me they break things. Dick, Back in the 1980s, with DOS, I saw the

Re: [PLUG] Move cron jobs to new computer

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023, John Jason Jordan wrote: When I sat down at the computer this morning the gxmessage window was in the middle of the screen announcing that rsync ran at 3am and at 4am to make mirrors of / and ~/ with exit code 0. I had put a dummy file on both partitions before going to bed,

Re: [PLUG] Move cron jobs to new computer

On Fri, 29 Sep 2023, John Jason Jordan wrote: Well, that didn't come out well. In Xubuntu I did 'sudo crontab -e,' John, When you want to only look at the crontab contents use `crontab -l' to list them. Sparky's crontab is empty, so I can paste in the T-Mobile job from Xubuntu, but it

Re: [PLUG] Move cron jobs to new computer

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023, John Jason Jordan wrote: My efforts worked perfectly for years, but now I'm migrating from Xubuntu 22.04.3 to SparkyLinux 7.0, and I'd like to migrate cron jobs in the process. SparkyLinux automatically mounts / and /home from Xubuntu, so I can just copy config files from

Re: [PLUG] Battery Backup Question

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: The battery has 12.54v. Sounds like my UPS is borked. Any ideas on how to test it? And any recommendations on who makes a good, moderately priced model? Dick, Look at . I bought from them and am highly satisfied with my

Re: [PLUG] Battery Backup Question

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: We had a power outage this morning. My CyberPower 800AVR Battery Backup did not work, meaning that when the power went off, the computer shut down. After the power was restored, when I turned the unit back on, it went through a repeating cycle of

Re: [PLUG] Change hard drive FS

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, Ben Koenig wrote: Back to Rich's original question though you don't configure your filesystem with fdisk. If you already have drives that are actively in use then you can leave the partitions alone, and just reformat with mkfs. Slackware also includes several

Re: [PLUG] Change hard drive FS

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: You will ultimately have problems with a corrupted file system with ext4, almost guaranteed. Xfs is a much more robust file system but if you do not trust it, then try zfs or btrfs. Michael, I've used ext2, ext3, and ext4 with no issues on any of

[PLUG] Change hard drive FS

A while ago, when I had backup issues with the logical volume on the external MediaSonic Pro enclosure, I removed the LV and formatted the two drives to xfs upon advice here. My dirvish backup is on /dev/sde1 and when that's done rsync copies daily changes to /dev/sdf1. I've since learned that

Re: [PLUG] domainnetworks.com scam

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, Keith Lofstrom wrote: My wife got a letter from "MARKETING SERVICES" aka Domain Networks of Hendersonville, NC offering an "ANNUAL WEBSITE DOMAIN LISTING" for the low, low price of $289 :-( Keith, I've registerd my domains with namecheap.com for quite a few years and I'm

Re: [PLUG] looking for a 3d surface plotting program (besides gnuplot)

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023, American Citizen wrote: Has anyone used 3d surface plotting software (other than gnuplot splot with pm3d) ?? Randall, Three suggestions: 1. As Brian suggested, python3 and pandas. This would be my first choice for data sets such as yours for the shortest learning curve.

[PLUG] github connection issue, part 2

Yesterday I resolved the missing github private ssh key; I'm able to push changes from my local web site repo to the github repo using ``git push origin'' and entering my github pass phrase. That's the first half of my problem resolved. The second half, which makes no sense to me or Paul Mullen

Re: [PLUG] Github question

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: That is the tricky part. My Github account was linked in some corporate magic with my company email, and even though I remember the password it wants to verify with my old inaccessible company email. I guess I will need to create a new account and forget

Re: [PLUG] Github question

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: How does one delete a GitHub account? I have one from my previous employer that I need to delete and use a previous personal (school) account. Login to your github account. In the upper, right corner there's a symbol at the right end; click on it.

Re: [PLUG] Replacing github public key [RESOLVED]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Johnathan Mantey wrote: https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh/testing-your-ssh-connection Many thanks, Johnathan. I'm now authenticated with github and sync'd my local repo with github's. Regards, Rich

Re: [PLUG] Replacing github public key

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Johnathan Mantey wrote: Did you use their 'ssh -T url' function to see if ssh was configured correctly? John, No. I assume that's some place after I log in to my github account. Yes? Thanks, Rich

Re: [PLUG] Replacing github public key

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Johnathan Mantey wrote: Do you have any special settings in your .gitconfig? Nope; user, core, alias. Thanks, Rich

Re: [PLUG] Replacing github public key

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023, Ali Corbin wrote: ssh is picky about permissions, and won't work if the keys are too open. Mine are: -rw--- 1 ali ali 411 Jul 14 2022 id_ed25519 -rw-r--r-- 1 ali ali 102 Jul 14 2022 id_ed25519.pub Ali, So are mine: -rw--- 1 rshepard users 1766 Jul 31 07:16

[PLUG] Replacing github public key

Somehow I managed to lose ~/.ssh/id_rsa_github so I just generated a new id_rsa key pair. Logged into my github account, deleted the old public key and added the new one (github's email shows it to be much shorter than the string in ~/.ssh/id_rsa_github.pub). However, it's not working. When I

Re: [PLUG] Trail Cams?

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Whether you need wireless access depends on your use. $30 for a Browning Make that a Bushnell. Same suggestion: check the specs and your intended use. Rich

Re: [PLUG] Trail Cams?

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: Has anyone used this or some other trail cam without an iPhone or Android phone? Dick, I've had several trail cames and now have 2. I don't purchase any that are supposed to communicate wirelessly with a mobile phone or laptop, because where I'd

Re: [PLUG] Hard drive issue

On Sun, 25 Jun 2023, King Beowulf wrote: I'd start with a check of the drive's S.M.A.R.T reported health status and run some tests. As root run 'smartctl' to get overall health: # smartctl -a /dev/sdX A nice HOW-TO is here: https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:hardware:smart_hdd_diagnostics and

[PLUG] Hard drive issue

Good morning, group: On 2022-02-06 I purchased 4 WD Red 2T 5400rpm hard drives from Amazon for the MediaSonic Pro external hard drive. The two drives in slots 3 and 4 were combined into a logical volume and used for daily dirvish backups. Earlier this year the LV failed. I repartioned those two

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [FIXED]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Russell Senior wrote: It literally says right there "Fs [filesystem] was not properly unmounted [because you power cycled it, rather than reboot] and some data may be corrupt [although it won't be, because you weren't writing anything to the filesystem when you powercycled

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE 2]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: sudo umount /boot/efi sudo fsck /dev/sda1 sudo mount /boot/efi Logged in as root: # umount /boot/efi # fsck /dev/sda1 fsck from util-linux 2.27.1 fsc.fat 3.0.28 (2015-05-16) 0x41: Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Does it still boot despite the warning? If so, after booting, you ought to be able to unmount /boot and do the fsck. Russell, Yes, it does. Later today I'll umount /boot, run fsck, and remount it. Thanks, Rich

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote: For a vfat filesystem, I cannot imagine that the version difference will have any adverse impact. Paul, Makes sense to me. Thanks again, Rich

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote: I usually rely on a live CD (or a modern equivalent on a USB stick) to fsck the /boot partition. Paul, I have a Slackware64-15.0 installation on a USB drive. But the desktop's running -14.2. Thanks, Rich

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: Most times to repair a system partition, you will need to boot from a USB stick, then run fsck on the damaged partition. You can simply check the condition with 'sudo fsck /dev/sda1'. On my Linux Mint box I was able to umount, fsck, and mount the

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: /dev/sda1 is /boot/efi type vfat (rw) This is a separate SSD and the /boot partition is the only content. Rich

Re: [PLUG] A hardware issue [UPDATE]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: The desktop is still turned on but needs rebooting and I need to learn what's wrong so I can fix it. UPDATE: /var/log/syslog tells me: Jun 15 05:35:10 salmo kernel: [ 36.853148] FAT-fs (sda1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may

[PLUG] A hardware issue

Yesterday and today when I tried to log in my desktop server/workstation I couldn't: the monitor had no input from the desktop. Shutting down the computer and immediately starting it brought up the startup process and the system worked fine all day yesterday. Today's logs showed that the backups

Re: [PLUG] Make installed driver visible without rebooting [RESOLVED]

On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Paul Blattner wrote: It doesn't appear to install a kernel mod at all, just a udev rule and program that runs on login using xdg autostart. So reloading the udev rules and running that program should make it work. It should also be possible to do that as part of the install

[PLUG] Make installed driver visible without rebooting

Is there a tool to make a hardware driver installed on a desktop visible to lsmod without rebooting? I have an Xencelab graphic tablet for photo editing and the linux driver has been installed but doesn't appear in the lsmod listing. I suspect there is a way to make it visible to the kernel

Re: [PLUG] Question on a quick CLI program for validating a csv file

On Sat, 20 May 2023, American Citizen wrote: 1. using awk -F, fails when a cell contains a quoted cell with an embedded comma I download .csv files from agency databases where strings are double quoted and contain commas within them, as well as using commas to separated fields. I start my

Re: [PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

On Fri, 19 May 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Two different versions of GE and both have the 'save as ...' option greyed out. Mea culpa! 'Save my places as ...' does work. Rich

Re: [PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

On Thu, 18 May 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Does this help at all? https://support.google.com/earth/search?q=downloading+a+kml+file Russell, As it turns out ... no. Two different versions of GE and both have the 'save as ...' option greyed out. Thanks for the pointer, Rich

Re: [PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

On Thu, 18 May 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Does this help at all? https://support.google.com/earth/search?q=downloading+a+kml+file Russell, It may very well be useful; I'll check it out later this morning. I've saved places before, but didn't explore what else is in that panel. Thanks!

Re: [PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

On Fri, 19 May 2023, Ben Koenig wrote: The workaround is to save the file to disk, then attach to an email you composed in the client of your choice. If google doesn't want to see your client. Ben, I'm far from a GE expert. Each time I've tried to save or print a GE display it pops up

Re: [PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

On Fri, 19 May 2023, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What is the operating system/version/make/model/year of Linux you are using? Ted, Slackware64-15.0 the most current production distribution. Rich

[PLUG] Sending a Google-Earth Pro image via email

I'm trying to send myself a KML image from Google Earth Pro, but the only MUAs made available are the web browser mailer or Google. The Tools -> Options -> select the mailer does not allow any other option, such as alpine or mutt. Does anyone know of a way to use the MUA installed on the host to

Re: [PLUG] Looking for a paid POP/IMAP email provider

On Sat, 6 May 2023, Richard Owlett wrote: Though I live in SW Missouri, I've followed this list for years. My current provider is terminating email service soon. I run SeaMonkey on Debian. Wishing to avoid ads, I specified "paid" in the subject line. Richard, How about gmail? Or proton mail

Re: [PLUG] git not recognizing 'branch' command [FIXED]

On Thu, 4 May 2023, c wrote: What command are you using? Purcell, git master -m main That's supposed to work locally I tried: git branch -m master main and it worked in a quick test on my machine. It worked here, too. I thougt it was for remote repos, not local ones. Apparently it works

[PLUG] git not recognizing 'branch' command

I'm trying to rename the 'master' branch to 'main' on a laptop directory. Git tells me that 'master' is not a git command, while 'git branch' shows the only branch as 'master.' Why might this be? Rich

Re: [PLUG] Renaming file with back slashes and spaces

On Thu, 4 May 2023, Russell Senior wrote: The filename does NOT have backslashes, just spaces. The backslashes are displayed to *quote* the spaces. That is, show that the spaces are part of the filename instead of whitespace delimiters between different filenames. Thank you. Rich

Re: [PLUG] Renaming file with back slashes and spaces [FIXED]

On Thu, 4 May 2023, Johnathan Mantey wrote: Rich, I had to double check past history to confirm you use a Lisp environment that includes an editor (Emacs). You could also use `dired` to rename space delimited filenames. Other aficionados consider `dired` a killer feature of Emacs. I like to use

Re: [PLUG] Renaming file with back slashes and spaces [FIXED]

On Thu, 4 May 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: Do an 'ls -b' to see if there are any 8-bit characters in the name. You can also do 'mv Topo*pdf user-guide.pdf' Michael, The `ls -b' failed; the mv worked. I forgot about that. Thanks, Rich

[PLUG] Renaming file with back slashes and spaces

I have a file from an agency in which words are sepatated by back slashes and spaces. Wrapping the name in double quotes (as user and root) fails: [root@caddis /home/rshepard/projects# mv "Topo\ TNM\ Style\ Template\ Users\ Guide.pdf" Users-Guide.pdf mv: cannot stat 'Topo\ TNM\ Style\ Template\

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023, Tomas Kuchta wrote: You can stop the sshd service on the server, then start it interactively with - - then try connecting from the client to see the server response in your server shell. Tomas, et al.: I found the problem and it will take me a while to fix it. It's

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023, King Beowulf wrote: When you ssh caddis -> salmo, sshd will log the event on salmo (destination). Slackware 15.0 default for sshd is /var/log/syslog -> errors and status messages /var/log/secure -> errors and status messages (pam) look for sshd messages. Ed, Since last

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: type 51 is an indication that the server is rejecting the key you are trying to use. Success would be type 52. You need to look at the salmo logs to find out why. Russell, There are no ssh logs in /var/log/ or root's home directory. In salmo/.ssh/

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: Here's where I think the problem is: "debug1: Trying private key: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk debug3: no such identity: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk: No such file or directory debug1: Trying private key: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_xmss debug3: no

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: I don't think I mentioned on this list yesterday's test results: salmo and caddis can ping each other; salmo can ssh to caddis; caddis still cannot ssh to salmo. Just now I looked at the known_hosts file on both hosts. salmo has one line for caddis

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: Rich, are you seeing any error messages? Yep. Because I cannot attach the log file resulting from `ssh -vvv salmo` I've uploaded it to . I don't know enough to see what's still not correct on either the caddis client or the salmo host. I don't think I

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Michael Ewan wrote: Also, ssh can silently fail to connect if the permissions are too loose. Thanks, Michael. They're all now with the proper perms, both hosts. Still won't connect from laptop to desktop; still working on that. Rich

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Jeffrey Borcean wrote: 0600 / -rw--- Thanks, Jeffrey. I did not find this with my web searches. Rich

[PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

I've learned the permissions of all .ssh/ files other than authorized_keys. What should be the perms for that file? TIA, Rich

Re: [PLUG] Brave browser behavior changed

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, John Jason Jordan wrote: I can't answer your question directly, but my recent experience may give you some ideas. John, I switched from Firefox to Brave some time last year. On my Slackware64-14.2 I've had no issues at all with Brave. It's only the newer version from SBo

Re: [PLUG] Brave browser behavior changed [UPDATE]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: I'm building and installing many packages on the ThinkPad T430. Yesterday, after several hours the browser would not download a file until I reloaded the web page. I've not seen this happen on any browser or host. It's a bit annoying, not a critical

[PLUG] Brave browser behavior changed

I'm building and installing many packages on the ThinkPad T430. Yesterday, after several hours the browser would not download a file until I reloaded the web page. I've not seen this happen on any browser or host. It's a bit annoying, not a critical issue, and I'm curious why it may have started

Re: [PLUG] Set Brave-Browser's default download directory

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: Click on the "hamburger" icon, second row, right side, and select "Settings". Drag the list on the left down to "Downloads". That will let you pick a place to save things by default. Otherwise, right click on what you want to save, and you should have

[PLUG] Set Brave-Browser's default download directory

I installed the Brave-browser on my Lenovo ThinkPad T430. When I downloaded some files it didn't ask me where to put them but created a Download directory in ~/. I don't use a Download directory. Looking at all Brave settings I don't see where to specify either 'ask me' or ~/. Suggestions? Rich

Re: [PLUG] the dreaded hang

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023, bri...@pounceofcats.com wrote: i forgot about xset. just tried xset -dpms and after 2+ hours no problem. came back to my desk and the screen saver was active but the screen hadn't blanked. I was just reminded that, at least in Xfce4, screensaver is separate from power

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Since the only two external servers to which I connect have my public key, I don't need it locally. Yes? Not so. I commented out #PubkeyAuthentication yes on both salmo and caddis; rebooted both. From salmo: $ ssh caddis ssh: connect to host caddis

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Without looking it up, passphrase is the encryption that protects the private key on the client system, so that the super user (or others able to read files) can't just read/copy your private key. Russell, Since the only two external servers to

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: "debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method" That seems relevant. Russell, To me, too. But, does that mean disable passphrase authentification in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on both machines? If I do that what does it mean when I login to github or

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: I find it is pretty helpful to read the messages. If the messages are too terse, add verbose or debug flags. Then read what it says. Is there anything listening on caddis's port n? Russell, My apologies; I completely forgot to use the -v option

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: So, you can use an editor to remove the offending line 2, and you'll be asked to accept the new hostkey the next time to connect. Russell, The authorized_keys on both hosts each contains the public key of the other. The known_hosts on the laptop

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Your client is complaining about the new host key. You need to remove the old hostkey from your *CLIENT'S* known_hosts file. The message is telling you what it doesn't like "Offending ED25519 key in /home/rshepard/.ssh/known_hosts:2". Russell,

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Should salmo's id_ed25519.pub be in caddis' .ssh/authorized_keys? I think that I found the problem: salmo's id_ed25519.pub has only one line and it's for a host no longer on the LAN. So, I'll generate a new keypair for salmo, using the same passphrase

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: There is also a config for the server: sshd_config Oy! I forgot about that. The sshd_config files in both salmo and caddis are the same and do require passphrase authentification. On caddis my ssh attempt still fails and I am not certain about which

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote: It looks to me like sshd on salmo is configured to accept only public key authentication. It won't take your password. Paul, I was wrong. When I ssh into github or my website host I need to use my passphrase. But, in both salmo's and caddis'

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote: It looks to me like sshd on salmo is configured to accept only public key authentication. It won't take your password. Paul, I know that, but I'm not offered a prompt for the passphrase and entering it instead of my password won't work. If you don't

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Jeffrey Borcean wrote: Are you able to ssh into your desktop from the laptop? Jeffrey, Nope. That's what I'm trying to do. It looks like the desktop is configured to use keys for authentication, but you don't have any trusted keys on the laptop. So you can't connect.

Re: [PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: What was your goal in copying the public key? Russell, Adding it to the desktop's authorized_keys file. Rich

[PLUG] Transferring public key shows error

Generated a key pair and, following the Slackware OpenSSH instructions tried to use scp to put the laptop's public key on the desktop: $ scp id_ed25519.pub rshep...@salmo.appl-ecosys.com:/home/rshepard/.ssh/authorized_keys The authenticity of host '[salmo.appl-ecosys.com]: ([192.168.55.1]:

Re: [PLUG] Generating id_ed25519 key pair

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Johnathan Mantey wrote: Not -G, -t Thanks, Johnathan. Regards, Rich

[PLUG] Generating id_ed25519 key pair

It's been years since I last set up ssh on a host. Reading man ssh-keygen I'm not sure which option to use to generate an ed25519 key pair rather than a RSA key pair. Is it 'ssh-keygen -G ed25519 -T -P '? Rich

Re: [PLUG] Loading ~/.keymap on laptop fails

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: You may need to execute sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" Reference - https://askubuntu.com/questions/800871/failed-console-keymap Mike, This looks specific to ubunty. I run Slackware. Thanks, Rich

[PLUG] Loading ~/.keymap on laptop fails

I'm setting up my Lenovo T430 with Slackware64-15.0. In ~/.bash_profile is the command to load ~./keymap. This fails to work and I've had the same issue with other laptops, but never on desktops. Because I never use the CAPS LOCK key, but consistently use the CTRL key I've always swapped the two

[PLUG] Capture output of ssh -vv

I'm setting up a laptop and configuring ssh on it so I can transfer files between it (hostname: caddis) and the desktop (hostname: salmo). When I tried 'ssh salmo' I was asked for my password on salmo. Entered that and was immediately returned to the shell prompt. Then I tried 'ssh -vv salmo'

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output [RESOLVED]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Russell Senior wrote: Have you counted the little rings on the end of the connector? A headset jack has 4 electrically-separated pads: tip, ring, ring, sleave (TRRS). Ground, L, R, and Microphone (the arrangement can sometimes vary): Russell, Yep. Both are 3-segments:

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output [RESOLVED]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Please provide recommendations for an add-in PCIe audio card that outputs clear voice as well as music to speakers and headphones/headsets. It was a hardware issue. Zoom would not work with the Panasonic headphones or speakers. But, it has no problem

Re: [PLUG] Audio in?

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: I can now record. Quality is not ideal, but the original source is also not idea. But at least I have something I can work with. Dick, Perhaps ChatGPT can improve the quality? Rich

Re: [PLUG] mini-phone plug splitters

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I would be leery of putting 2 headsets off one audio output I would be concerned with overloading the output transistors in the sound circuit. But powered speakers should be no problem. Ted, That's what I decided, too. I just ordered a

[PLUG] mini-phone plug splitters

Can I stack two mini-phone plug splitters? I have three audio output devices: the ProSonus speakers, the Panasonic headphone, and the Yamaha headset. Now, the speakers and headset are on a spliter originating in the rear panel front speaker output jack. Can I add another splitter to keep the

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Looks like it. What do other linux uses do who need to participate in Zoom meetings? Does the Zoom browser work better? Ted, Good. I don't know if you have control of both ends or if you are required to use Zoom but if you do have control of

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, wes wrote: you could always do both - join from the computer for the video and call in from a phone for the audio. just mute the computer audio so you don't get undesired crossover. Wes, Aha! That would work. Earlier today I read a web page on improving Zoom audio.

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Zoom deliberately degrades audio quality to save bandwidth. Does Zoom also degrade audio quality on VoIP phones and not on TDM phones? Perhaps calling in to this rescheduled Zoom meeting (and possible future ones) would resolve the problem. It

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Rich Shepard wrote: Depending on when Amazon (or USPS) delivers the Soundblaster I'll install it after work, or tomorrow if it comes late in the evening. I'll report results after it's in. It arrived at 6:05; must have come from the Troutdale or Fairview warehouses. Rich

Re: [PLUG] Audio in?

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: First I tried the jack on the front that is not the headphone jack. I think it's a mic in jack, but don't know for sure. Then I tried the red ring jack on the back. I've switched to the blue ring jack. Still no results in Audacity. Dick, The front

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Zoom deliberately degrades audio quality to save bandwidth. Ted, That's interesting. Reminds me of issues I've had in the past in cell phone conversations with iPhone users because Apple focused (perhaps still does) on the cameras than voice

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: Does your PC have an onboard speaker that you can test with? No. Are the speakers and headset both plugged into the PCI-E soundcard? Not yet. I have a Y-extender with 2 mini-phono jacks and 1 mini-phono plug that's in the green-ringed port on the

Re: [PLUG] Audio in?

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Dick Steffens wrote: I have an old boom box and some audio tapes. I'm trying to run the headphone out of the boom box into the computer. I've tried the mic input on the front, and the back of my desktop, but none of my recording software finds the sound. I'm using Audacity.

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: So, to be clear, do you only have a problem with inbound voice audio quality from the Internet? Mike, Yes. Have you monitored resource, cpu/memory, usage when you're experiencing this problem? I've watched gkrellm. Maybe even shutdown and power

Re: [PLUG] Building pulseaudio-equalizer

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Ben Koenig wrote: Ah ok so here is where we got real problems. First off, you don't want to use pip. it makes it very difficult to remove packages later and can result in a broken python installation. Ben, I've used pip when I could not find an SBo package. You can try

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: "My issue is getting good sound quality from the 'Net using Zoom and Jitsi." This is probably the best & most useful piece of information you've to work with. That seems to point away from a audio card, audio software/drivers, cables, etc. I don't

Re: [PLUG] Building pulseaudio-equalizer

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Ben Koenig wrote: "meson build" didn't work? No: $ meson build Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/meson", line 6, in from pkg_resources import load_entry_point ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pkg_resources' Now I'm trying to learn why I can't

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, MC_Sequoia wrote: I also was thinking about an audio quality testing application that might be useful and came across this video on an app called Noise Torch. In the video he talks specifically about producing podcasts, zoom calls & jitsi meetings.

Re: [PLUG] Building pulseaudio-equalizer

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023, Ben Koenig wrote: $ meson build That is 'meson' then a SPACE then 'build'. They didn't tell you to run meson.build, so why are you executing the file manually? Did you just assume that they made a mistake? Ben, Well, I assumed that 'mason.build' was the file name, not

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