Anyone can see that Social Security is a ponzi scheme (it would be called
that if the Government wasn't running it).
It's not a fund we're paying into that goes into 'our account'.
The money we pay goes to pay people currently on Social Security.
Everything is great until there are more people
really? we've just had some very interesting and articulate ideas
discussed that are relevant to Linux users. This sort of thing
attracts intelligent people. Honestly I get the impression that some
people are blowing it out of proportion because they have some stupid
petty agenda.
-jmz
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Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Honestly I get the impression that some
people are blowing it out of proportion because they have some stupid
petty agenda.
Like? Please, articulate your point.
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Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Honestly I get the impression that some
people are blowing it out of proportion because they have some stupid
petty agenda.
Like? Please, articulate your point.
well, who is complaining? are
Joshua Zeidner wrote:
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Honestly I get the impression that some
people are blowing it out of proportion because they have some stupid
petty agenda.
Like? Please, articulate your point.
well,
On Sunday 02 August 2009 03:53:37 pm Shawn Badger wrote:
Same result with and without the -1 :(
I believe it is a L (but lowercase) not a 1
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Thank. This likes it will help quite a bit.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:27:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Serial Port Terminal Emulation problems
Good catch, and sorry I was less clear. The switch/router is running a
stripped down version of Red Hat they call Redhagis. It does not have
room for very much at all, so installing RPMs or even source is
problematical. You normally have to cross compile from another
platform. Only the Desktop
Depending on the contract I'll be glad to join you :) I have my own crimping
kit, wire snake, line toner, wall plates, rj45 inserts, a few hundred feet
of cat5, and I think I still have a few new punch blocks in the garage
someplace :)
I usually do cabling as a lost leader to reel in other jobs
Along the way, y'all can answer one of the great philosophical questions:
Wire we here?
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I Love it!
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Just like it says!
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Along the way, y'all can answer one of the great philosophical questions:
"Wire we here?"
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ShTP you want an answer to that. CoAx we are. At least the Copper did not
take you to jail ;)
For those of you may not know ShTP is the opposite of UTP and is pronounced
with the vowel of i
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Along the way, y'all can answer
I once had to string Ethernet between two boat docks. Ended up with a
pier to pier network.
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Hey All,
I'm not sure if anyone remembers me from last years ableconf (I did a
presentation on Inkscape), but for those that do, farewell. Due to some
pretty big life changes I will be relocating to Reno in the near future.
Unfortunately I will be unable to participate in ABLEconf this year (as
I
I am sorry to hear of your departure and wish you great luck in Reno :)
As for the off topic at hand; I am someone who enjoys the OT discussions.
However, like Josh, I also not not participate much. I can say I do not
participate in IRC because I don't IRC. I don't come to many meetings
because I
People are generally considerate enough to label their discussions and I do
not mind moderating OT discussions, or even just putting in an automated
2-24 hour delay. However if it is truly moderated I would hope several
moderators who all have the ability to approve and no one has the ability to
Same result with and without the -1 :(
I believe it is a L (but lowercase) not a 1
It should be the number 1, meaning list one file per line.
-Dale
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On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 19:16 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 7/30/09, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:
The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health
Joshua A. Andler wrote:
Hey All,
I'm not sure if anyone remembers me from last years ableconf (I did a
presentation on Inkscape), but for those that do, farewell. Due to some
pretty big life changes I will be relocating to Reno in the near future.
Unfortunately I will be unable to
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
I once had to string Ethernet between two boat docks. Ended up with a
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I would have to second!
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Subject: Re: OT: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date:
I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than
should be necessary.
This is one reason I thought it would be better to go to a forum.
With a forum, if the thread goes off course, it can split and moved to the
correct Subject.
The thread could also be locked if it gets
Bob Elzer wrote:
I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than
should be necessary.
This is one reason I thought it would be better to go to a forum.
With a forum, if the thread goes off course, it can split and moved to the
correct Subject.
The thread could
PLEASE Add a Political LIST for PLUG members interested in such discussions.
On 8/3/09, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than
should be necessary.
This is one reason I thought it would be better to go to a forum.
With a
Hey Mike, did the key sequence:
escape escape o
work for you to save in Nano?
On 8/3/09, Mike Bushroe mbush...@gmail.com wrote:
Good catch, and sorry I was less clear. The switch/router is running a
stripped down version of Red Hat they call Redhagis. It does not have
room for very much at
I think the single thing that impressed me about you was your visiting the
state legislature.
When I get settled in in Phoenix I hope to visit the state legislature and see
what is going on first hand.
Keith Smith
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Lisa Kachold wrote:
Eric Please!
On 8/2/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 8/2/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 7/31/09, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Quoting:
sudo apt-get install pico
If I'm reading this right, the
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
The thread I started and fed a bit, Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to
do in PHX[1], has spun off into the weeds of non-Linux and
non-group discussion. Some of it is very interesting but it is far
afield from the purpose
Hold on to your hat Craig. You might be surprised what happens in the next few
years. Yes, your statement Free market economics is now officially dead. is
partially true. But not for long.
The citizens are upset about what the government is doing and it shows in the
tea parties and other
On 8/3/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
Eric Please!
On 8/2/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 8/2/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 7/31/09, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Quoting:
sudo apt-get
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:
Just like it says!
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I love it as well. The silhouette effect is so different from the usual
penguin stuff that it really stands out.
Lisa, if you made this, I wonder
is this A flame war? I find it kind of educational. Now if each side would
just site some resources we would know who to believe. Neither of the sides
has done so. My opinion is that state health care will not work. Only from
what I've heard do people die in Canada and the UK waiting for
no one will post to it and it won't stop in the general list. if I
remember right none of the other lists get any traffic; just this one, the
one for general discussion.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:
PLEASE Add a Political LIST for PLUG members
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
I don't know if this has ever been suggested in PLUG, but one thought might
be to put together one or more canned presentations on Linux and/or FOSS and
have a small group of presenters that can put the show on at
Lisa Kachold wrote:
On 8/3/09, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
My agenda (if you need to call it that) is simply to understand how
IPCop and debian might be related, which was triggered by your statement:
Well there's a Freelance project related to migrating to a newer
kernel sources
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Bob Elzer wrote:
Each has it's own drawbacks and advantages. For one it would increase the
web site traffic. More traffic, and they see other stuff that may interest
them.
Not sure if it could still be part of gmane or not.
GMane only handles mailing lists, not forum software :(
It
Is gmane subscribed to our list ? Or does it get it some other way ?
I'm sure we could merge the archive into the forum, we're linux users, we
can do anything. :)
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Is gmane subscribed to our list ? Or does it get it some other way ?
Yes, gmane is subscribed. I use gmane for list access. I quit getting
the emails once I started using gmane.
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Bob Elzer wrote:
Is gmane subscribed to our list ? Or does it get it some other way ?
Yes, gmane is subscribed. I use gmane for list access. I quit getting
the emails once I started using gmane.
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Well,
this list went too much off topic lately. Everyone is interested about
politics, but, unless you're the main expert on some topic, and you're able
to be impartial and not offend the political view of others, it's better
keep the focus on technology. I'm not able to read all threads, they're
There are 2 sides to this.
1 it deviates from the Linux part of our users group. and ultimately
this is counter to the list's intent and those users will be annoyed
and leave.
2 we are a community of geeks and nerds (you pick which you want to
be) and as such its kind of nice to find them with
/thwap
bad pun no shell.
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i think its pretty well.. part of me would like to see the penguin
staring at the cactus.
but in any case a wallpaper sized graphic would be great.
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a forum would limit my mobile interaction as i dont like running
forums on my blackberry.. the interface on buttons is rarely conducive
for this.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than
should be
Am 03. Aug, 2009 schwätzte Joshua A. Andler so:
moin moin Josh,
I'm not sure if anyone remembers me from last years ableconf (I did a
presentation on Inkscape), but for those that do, farewell. Due to some
pretty big life changes I will be relocating to Reno in the near future.
Unfortunately I
Like the others I also really like this image :-). I dig the sunset,
silhouette, and cactus actions.
A couple weeks back I saw the russian Linux image floating around.
I wonder if someone can figure out a way to make Lizard vs Tux mashup
:-)
Hi Eric,
Thanks for the reply. By default, the users on the blue network can only
use the internet and nothing else, unless you specifically give them
access. Here are a few things that helped understand the blue zone:
2.6.1. What traffic is allowed between Interfaces?
Lisa,
Yes it did. Worked perfectly! Would have saved MUCH frustration if I
had thought of it last week! I think I even tried a single escape
followed by ^O, but did not quite hit the correct sequence.
And on a second note, I finally got the configuration of VLANs,
routing domains, default
R
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:33:55
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Just like it says!
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Watch this and then tell me we do not have a problem brewing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAseurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemarketcure.com%2Fbrainsurgery.phpfeature=player_embedded
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I was kind of suspecting the routing tables might be stored in the flash
chip and suffered from bit rot. When I was having the problem I had a bit
less knowledge/experience then I do now.
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jason Hayes ja...@jasonhayes.org wrote:
I guess that this must be a
Hi Lisa Eric,
Questions:
Can you just assign an ip number to a computer? Or does something up
stream of it, (a computer, router, dhcp server, whatever), have to be
made aware of that computer's ip number.
Example, when I assign static ip's on the green zone, I always enter the
ip on both IPCop
Hi Lisa,
You can assign static ip addresses to any interface as virtual addresses.
In Ubuntu assignment looks like so; static files manage the
configuration (which also can be done via the Networking tab [I like
command line]):
Hi Eric,
It looks like you have the subnet, gateway and ip address setup
correctly for your webserver.
I think your issue is with the DNS server in the green zone. Are you
sure that your dns is working?
What part is not working?
# ping [gateway on ipcop]
# nslookup apple.com
# ping
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 20:11 -0700, Matthew A Coulliette wrote:
Hi Lisa Eric,
Questions:
Can you just assign an ip number to a computer? Or does something up
stream of it, (a computer, router, dhcp server, whatever), have to be
made aware of that computer's ip number.
Example, when I
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