Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Tony E - Jaraeth
Call me crazy, call me geeky... I kind of wish I could see Gene Roddenberry's idea of society come to fruition. No more bounderies of money barter. Instead, a society that provides for one another, and people have jobs that they like, and benefit the rest of society. A place where everyone has

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Scott
While trekkies certain hold a lot of ground in our society, I really wish there would be more movies about Arthur C. Clarke. They are already working on Rama, but where are 2061 and 3001? You talk about a utopian society, pick up 3001 sometime and see just how crazy and far humanity could go as

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Vaughn Treude
Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull in

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Vaughn Treude
Tony E - Jaraeth wrote: Call me crazy, call me geeky... I kind of wish I could see Gene Roddenberry's idea of society come to fruition. No more bounderies of money barter. Instead, a society that provides for one another, and people have jobs that they like, and benefit the rest of society.

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:31 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread keith smith
I read about 6 posts and when I came up for air there was 20 more! Vaughn Treude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony E - Jaraeth wrote: Call me crazy, call me geeky... I kind of wish I could see Gene Roddenberry's idea of society come to fruition. No more bounderies of money barter. Instead, a

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/31/07, Vaughn Treude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't resist joining the fray! On the one hand, I've personally never produced anything of value that wasn't intellectual property. On the other hand, a society that actually tried to _enforce_ the copyright laws as they stand would be

It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread gm5729
Canada is partly there with the government provided health care. LOL thats why their doctors and health care pros in droves come to the usa with work visas to make more money ... leaving very unreasonable waiting periods for consumers because of lack of services available

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Vaughn Treude
Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/31/07, Vaughn Treude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't resist joining the fray! On the one hand, I've personally never produced anything of value that wasn't intellectual property. On the other hand, a society that actually tried to _enforce_ the copyright laws

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Dec 31, 2007 1:28 PM, Vaughn Treude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/31/07, Vaughn Treude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't resist joining the fray! On the one hand, I've personally never produced anything of value that wasn't intellectual property. On the

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-31 Thread Vaughn Treude
keith smith wrote: Can you imagine what the law would look like and how hard it would be if we had stuff like - Burglary is stealing stuff from a yard after 10pm and before 6am or from a residential structure while it is occupied. If the residential structure is not occupied and it is

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
the funniest part about it is the songs she was downloading: Destiny's Child Bills,Bills,Bills Journey Don't Stop Believin do they really think were going to risk getting sued to listen to this crap? -jmz On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: get a load of this...it's

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
You're scaring me. I seriously point out where the RIAA is claiming that it is illegal for a user to copy music from legally purchased CD's to his/her hard drive and you want to ridicule someone's music choices. On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:59 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: the funniest part about it

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Alan Dayley
Come-on now! Journey Don't Stop Believin?? I drove my mom crazy playing that 45 RPM over and over again so I could play my air-drum set! Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think they will loose twice: Once as more and more people abandon their products and again

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 20:20 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: Come-on now! Journey Don't Stop Believin?? I drove my mom crazy playing that 45 RPM over and over again so I could play my air-drum set! Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think they will loose twice:

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Well I think its an indicator of how absurd thier thinking is. What if I have a sound file in my temporary web cache that I got from visiting a site? Can they take me to court? In order to enforce copyright at the level they appear to be aiming for, would require regulations at the hardware

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html Clearly Apple, Microsoft et al. are turning us into lawbreakers OK - did a little

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Sorry, my generation has a hard time appreciating what is sometimes called 'Dude Rock'. But to each, his own! http://www.mulletsgalore.com/ I do like The Cars, however. -jmz On 12/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think that Journey is crap? I feel sorry for you!

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
Tony Soprano has an offer for you that I am sure you won't be able to refuse ;-) On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:25 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Sorry, my generation has a hard time appreciating what is sometimes called 'Dude Rock'. But to each, his own! http://www.mulletsgalore.com/ I do

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:22 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote: --[clip good stuff]-- I haven't been appreciating Lawrence Lessig as of late, he appears to have

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html Clearly Apple, Microsoft et al. are turning

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Scott so: I think you're getting a little over-excited there. The point, I believe, that Josh is trying to make is that the RIAA had a number of songs flagged awhile back that could phone home when they're downloaded via the internet. The songs called home? Or do

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:00 -0700, der.hans wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull in lots of crops. Really? I

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Scott so: I think you're getting a little over-excited there. The point, I believe, that Josh is trying to make is that the RIAA had a number of songs flagged awhile back that could phone home when they're

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: On 12/30/07, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull in lots of crops. Really? I think I'll just go over there and get me

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Are you trying to troll in favor of a Big Brother environment? no, but I know enough about how the OSS world works to know that many of its highly held notions are quite another animal altogether when brought into the Real World. And unfortunately, the Real World is the place we all live

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:21 -0700, der.hans wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:00 -0700, der.hans wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: the filing

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull in lots of crops.

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:31 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences,