Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to your SuSE driven expectations. Though I'm not much interested in the thread anymore, I still find the psychology of it all pretty interesting. In essence, it is similar to people fleeing California (because California sucks?) to

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
I assume your talking about SuSE. Mike Garfias wrote: I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files. I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change. On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Dan Lund wrote:

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
This argument has gone on since the beginning of Red Hat being the Windows of Linux. Thankfully Red Hat has done a bit of shifting in their strategy and become less like that. It smacks of remnants of that argument, just completely backwards... back then it was people saying that it's better to

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
On 8/10/07, der.hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The firstboot routine is a script, isn't it? Can it be run again later to go through the same questions for setting up the system? Yes, edit /etc/sysconfig/firstboot and set to YES/ Daniel -- |

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Garfias
I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files. I do mind some craptastic distro burying the setting in an obscure directory and then making it hard to script (or hand edit) a change. On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Dan Lund wrote: This argument has gone on since the beginning of Red Hat

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread der.hans
Am 09. Aug, 2007 schw�tzte Craig White so: hostname ethernet configurations, date/time, etc. are also part of the 'firstboot' routine which apparently wasn't included in your 'image' either - too bad...not Red Hat's fault. The firstboot routine is a script, isn't it? Can it be run again

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Mike Garfias
actually i'm mostly bitching about RH i found suse to be even worse the one time i tried it have since refused to touch it On Aug 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Dan Lund wrote: I assume your talking about SuSE. Mike Garfias wrote: I don't mind tools editing the standard conf files. I do mind some

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Dan Lund
Okay, because you confused me... Red Hat doesn't bury the settings, so that's probably what confused me. /etc and /etc/sysconfig Mike Garfias wrote: actually i'm mostly bitching about RH i found suse to be even worse the one time i tried it have since refused to touch it On Aug 10,

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-10 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 06:51:40PM -0700, Mike Garfias wrote: RH puts many things in /etc/sysconfig that belong in either the top level /etc dir or their own dir under /etc (ex: /etc/apache/) granted some are in the right place, but at best its an inconsistent mess also another bitch:

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-09 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:03 -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: Craig White wrote: Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to your SuSE driven expectations. Yes, shame on me for expecting that Red Hat behave like an OS worthy of being the class leader. somewhat

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-08 Thread Kurt Granroth
Craig White wrote: Shame on you Kurt for thinking that Red Hat should pander to your SuSE driven expectations. Yes, shame on me for expecting that Red Hat behave like an OS worthy of being the class leader. First off, the full host name configuration tool smacks you in the face on install.

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-07 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 12:59 -0700, Kurt Granroth wrote: Okay, okay, maybe RH ES doesn't really suck. It is, after all, the most common server Linux (in the guise of CentOS, commonly). And it is ultra stable. Plus, every third party package has support for it. In fact, that's why I'm using

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-06 Thread Tony E - Jaraeth
Matt Graham wrote: Alan Dayley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Randy Melder wrote: Sounds like Kurt would be better off with Windows... Whooops! Did I say that?!? Kurt may be too modest so I'll post this for him http://people.kde.org/kurt.html Another Yooper in the desert! Who would've thunk it,

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-06 Thread Randy Melder
*sad that I was taken so seriously* If you ask me, Apple got it right with OS X Server. They created GUI configs for just about everything under the sun... (no pun intended) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-06 Thread Dan Lund
As wrappers around configuration files that, if changed by hand, are wiped by Apple's tools. I could never handle how far you are away from everything with OSX Server. On 8/6/07, Randy Melder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *sad that I was taken so seriously* If you ask me, Apple got it right with OS

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-05 Thread Randy Melder
Sounds like Kurt would be better off with Windows... Whooops! Did I say that?!? ; ) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-05 Thread Alan Dayley
Randy Melder wrote: Sounds like Kurt would be better off with Windows... Whooops! Did I say that?!? I doubt that! Kurt may be too modest so I'll post this for him http://people.kde.org/kurt.html http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kde/quotes/Kurt_Granroth.html Oh, and http://www.granroth.org/

Re: Pointless rant: Red Hat Enterprise Server sucks!

2007-08-05 Thread JT Moree
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I can sympathize. It would be nice if redhat's cli/ncurses equivalents had all the same functionality of the gui ones. It's seems a little silly to have them but they only do part of what the gui one's do. One really bad example is network