[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

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Present:
+ Norbert, Andras, Markus, Michael, Will, Rainer, Bjoern,
  Stephan, Petr, Caolan, Fridrich, Cedric

* Completed Action Items
+ Hamburg Hackfest
+ Hamburg Hack-fest mail the developers list (Bjoern)
+ Hamburg Hack-fest in topic of IRC channel (Bjoern)
+ annotate RTF bugs with 'rtf_filter' to break-down regressions (Cedric)
+ Official TDF blog item announcing GSOC required (Fridrich)

* Pending Action Items
+ [well underway] review and re-close 3.4.x MAB fixed in 3.5.x (Rainer)
+ [ever-pending] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / 
Admins)
+ rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo  fix (Michael)
+ cost and usefulness of exceptions proposal (Michael)
+ Hamburg Hackfest
+ blog some artwork for 'going to the LibreOffice hack-fest' 
(All)
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012
+ TDF blog entry publicising the Hamburg hack-fest (Fridrich)
+ poke RedHat security chappy wrt. keys (Caolan)

* Action Items review

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.5.2 status ...
+ Windows build for rc2 re-spinning  currently up-loading
+ Win32 downloads disabled until that's done
+ possibly delayed by mirror synching issues
+ following 2 weeks no release.
+ 3.4.6 retrospective ...
+ lots of fixes here from 3.5 re-using the reviews
+ no issues reported / little interest (?)
+ 3.6 - release plan ...
+ feature-freeze is two months away: June 4th
+ hack like crazies before then !

* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ 2-3 applications filed so far
+ some students getting stuck into easy hacks
+ perhaps a perception problem:
+ do people get scared of the scale ?
AA: + add a bold heading: LibreOffice is easy  fun to hack (Cedric)
+ how can we make LibreOffice seem less scary now it's less sick ?
+ answers on a postcard

* Collaboration Hack-fest update (Will Thompson)
+ various videos on-line eg.
+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsa212X2OE
+ over enthusiasm in media wrt. ship-ability etc.
+ telepathy improvements being fed-back to the core code
+ how far to completion ? (Norbert)
+ not that much work on the comms side (Will)
+ chunk of UI work needed (GSOC)
+ lots of model/view/controller splitting heavy
  lifting needed in calc (Michael)
+ hopefully much more incremental work
+ experimental feature for a while ...
+ how do we avoid getting out of sync generally ?
+ how much needs to be done before the number of
  things that de-sync becomes reasonably small ?
+ how much of a model/view separation is needed (Fridrich)
+ not needed as yet - as long as we can intercept
  model changes (Michael)
+ calc an easy start for referencing (Michael)
+ layout nodes have id's to nodes, could re-use
  those for writer / SwPaM ? (Cedric)
+ using undo/redo for calc is not ideal (Markus)
+ great chunks of data are stored, it's not conservative
+ same for writer (Cedric)
+ hopefully can use this logging to replace autosave too
+ save on a given log-size ...
+ undo/redo is abstracted behind the ScDocFunc interface
+ can expand undo/redo more.
+ can we look at / interoperate with other work in this area (Will?)
+ interesting ideas, real DOM vs. ODF

* exception size stats (Caolan)
+ likes exceptions, but they are big
+ trade-off - bigger tables for smaller code ?
+ new constructors in 3.6 - work on string literals
+ shouldn't have to throw - small strings
+ not strings controlled by malicious input (Stephan)
+ we abort anyway in these cases
AA: + drop exception specs from new string constructors (Lubos)
+ drop from Any / small object allocations as interested

* memory / heap usage prodding (Caolan)
+ every static object construction
- don't go adding thousands of these, not necessary
  and slows startup
- also chews memory to clean them up.
+ much of heap is in configmgr
+ lots of maps 

[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:00:51 +0100
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* Present:
+ Rainer, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern, Michael, David, Tor, Eike,
  Andras, Caolan, Astron, Kohei, Markus, Norbert, Thorsten

* Completed action items
+ poke Jimmac for updated Tango icons (Mirek/Astron)
+ v. positive response from Lapo
+ Noel to ack repeat-format proposal for ODF/TC (Noel / Thorsten)
+ get Alexander commit access  give a free hand (Michael)
+ look at bytemark / win32 tinderboxes (Fridrich)

* Pending Action Items
+ [working on it] pull up misc. internal versions for 3.6 (Fridrich)
+ latest cairo build bust on Windows - cairo needed for svg
+ switch to ChromeOS fonts in master if no reply from Liberation team 
(Caolan)
+ 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/167150.html
+ rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo  fix (Michael)
+ [pending] add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten)
+ [in-progress] think over consequences of moving master - 3.6 on 
release etc. (Rainer)
+ finding the best sol'n
+ [in-progress] create new bugzilla components next week (Rainer)
+ write 2 paragraph gerrit teaser to dev-list (Bjoern)
+ connect Rainer with sysadmins wrt. status/live issues ticker 
(Thorsten)

* Action Items review

* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ poke students who havn't interacted - kick them if no
  git commit details setup  interactions.

* UI / design update (Astron/Mirek)
+ Alex - working on a design for Android / file manager
+ another good looking design for the impress remote
+ discussions around updating Tango on-going
+ conditional formatting - color-scales for 3.6 or not ?
+ it will be in 3.6, with data-bars ...
+ prettier rulers  theming (Kendy)
+ improved ruler thanks to Mirek's design
+ Windows 7 theming improvements in progress

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.5.4 - update
+ RC1 builds up-loading to mirrors; on-schedule.
+ Monday: deadline for 3.5.4rc2
+ 3.6 status
+ Will do an Alpha0 build to test building ...
  week before feature-freeze ie. week after 3.5.4-rc2
+ connectivity, reportreader, shell, scp2
+ will enable adding 10-12 modules to tail_build.
+ will merge next week, in time for 3.6
+ eager tripple review volunteers for experimental features
+ Petr, Bjoern, Caolan

* git submodules status / update (Norbert)
+ plan to integrate remaining modules into git
  using submodules
+ switching to it is a bit of a pain
+ renaming everything one directory up is annoying
+ applying patches across is annoying
+ can still checkout just the repos you want
+ tinbuild work is ongoing
+ best window to include it - before LibO 3.6

** Interesting for Release Engineers **

+ will move the git structure around inside
  binfilter, dictionaries, helpcontent
+ will try to get it in before 3.6 branch
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules

+ Advantage is - one sha identified version, across
  the board - and git bisecting works.

* build / tinderbox machines
+ bytemark windows tinderbox machine up  running ...
+ building a full install with debugsymbols
+ once per day.
AA: + get up-load ssh keys sent / setup (Norbert / Thorsten)

* security bug / updated website review (Caolan)
+ latest CVE information update at:
http://www.libreoffice.org/advisories/
+ perhaps should list CVEs that don't affect us too ?

* QA update (Rainer)
+ creating new bugzilla components
+ please visit link  answer questions tomorrow
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:BugReport_Details

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
+ 60 open (of 213) older 67/211   68/205  71/205  68/199 74/201 73/193 
66/183
 28%  32%  33% 35% 34%37%38%
36%
+ 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 151(+6) bugs open of 556(+24) total

* Componentcount net *
+ Writer   - 58 (+5)
+ Presentation - 18 (-4)
+ LibreOffice  - 15 (+2)
+ Spreadsheet  - 13 (+3)
+ Drawing  - 9  (+0)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all,

here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC.

attending: Markus, Florian, Rainer, Petr, Bjoern

pending action items:
   - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer)
   - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer)
 - blocked on CC/Litmus choice  availability
   - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy)
   - bulk change remove EasyHacks in summary, make that white board only 
(Rainer, Florian, all)
 (actually not possible in bulk, so lets crowdsource this: when you come
 across a bug with EasyHack in title, please remove it there
   - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros
 to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc.
 RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing
   - send a proposal for liberal assigned use in NEEDINFO to Rainer for review 
(Bjoern)
   - create a QA EasyHack Gather own bugzilla requirements (Bjoern)
 - create a wikipage with what we have so far and link to it (Rainer)
   - blog about bug verification (Bjoern)
   - bibisect: update docs (Bjoern)

completed action items:
   - MozTrap evaluation install (Bjoern) - obsolete
   + blog about QA EasyHacks (Cor/Bjoern) - done by Cor, need repetition of 
course
   + blog about daily build changes/bugs/features from git log (Cor)
   - add EasyHack for bugzilla-twitter integration (Bjoern) 
   - bibisect: also rebuild the old ~50 3.5 bibisect installs for the next 
update (Bjoern)
 - obsolete, just needs libjpeg62 package installed on precise

structured manual testing:
  - Yifan had good progress setting this up (Petr)
- account creation still creates some issues
- still might be ready as soon as next week

bug wrangling (Rainer):
  - bugzilla twitter integration
- bugzilla git integration might be a blueprint (Markus)
- EasyHack: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50096
  - assigning policy: really assign or CC? (Petr)
- CC is better, dev can then self-assign
AA  - update bugwrangling docs to say CC instead of assign (Rainer)
  - some confusion about the use of new components (Rainer)
- seems to be a better way to distrubute bugs to devs as teams grow
- (assigning to one dev isnt that helpful anymore then) 
- likely a good topic for our own bugzilla, not worth it earlier (Bjoern)
AA  - bring topic back to ESC (Rainer, Petr, Bjoern)

community building/communication (Cor?)
AA+ add yourself on openhatch.org (all)
- mark yourself as a mentor for LibreOffice too
  - QA mentoring (Florian)
- EasyHacks seem to work great in dev, we should get something similar for 
QA
- How do we find/identify mentees?
  - twitter integration might get blood in the project, but here we need 
those
who did some verifications/confirmations to take them to the next level
  - once we have our own bugzilla we should have a Wanna meet the 
QA-team-link
to the QA-List in the header/footer
  - QA-List is freedesktop/hasslesome (Florian)
AA+ - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern)

bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit):
AA - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern)
 - should be done with the next update, likely around 3.6 branchoff
   - having bibisect in a PPA for automatic updates would be nice (Florian)
 - investigate bibisect in a PPA (Bjoern)

The next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC.

As always comments and additions welcome.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 07:38:10PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
   - Yifan had good progress setting this up (Petr)

this being MozTrap.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

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Hi,

here are the belated minutes of the LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-01 14:00 
UTC.

attending: Rainer, Petr, Korrawit, Bjoern

pending action items:
   - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer)
   - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer)
 - blocked on CC/Litmus choice  availability
   - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy)
   - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros
 to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc.
 RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing
   - update bugwrangling docs to say CC instead of assign (Rainer)
+  - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern)
   - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern)

completed action items:
   - bulk change remove EasyHacks in summary, make that white board only 
(Rainer, Florian, all)
 (actually not possible in bulk, so lets crowdsource this: when you come
 across a bug with EasyHack in title, please remove it there)
   - send a proposal for liberal assigned use in NEEDINFO to Rainer for review 
(Bjoern)
   - create a QA EasyHack Gather own bugzilla requirements (Bjoern)
 - create a wikipage with what we have so far and link to it (Rainer)
   - blog about bug verification (Bjoern)
   - bring new components topic back to ESC (Rainer, Petr, Bjoern)
+  - add yourself on openhatch.org (all)
   - bibisect: update docs (Korrawit -- was originally Bjoern)

structured manual testing (Yifan?):
   - MozTrap still on the way (Petr)
 - ETA June/August
 - probably too late for 3.6, but will be there for 3.7/4.0
 - Accounts/OpenID still an issue
 - dust has not quite settled for the project at Mozilla themselves

bug wrangling (Rainer):
   - watching AOO bugtracker interest, but too much noise
   - just watching for resolved bugs should be useful (Bjoern)
   - watching other downstreams (RedHat/Ubuntu) more closly might be more 
useful than AOO (Bjoern)

community building/communication (Cor?):
   - no news discussed

bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit):
   - OWA images are there and awesome
   - docs are updated
AI   - tweak details (Bjoern)

The next call is on 2012-06-12 14:00 UTC.

Comments and additions welcome.

Best,

Bjoern
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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:12:19PM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote:
 Hi *,
 
 for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, the first public ALPHA1 builds now
 start to be available on pre-releases. 

 Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't
 spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab
 them here:
 
  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/
 
 If you've a bit of time, please give them a try  report bugs not yet in
 bugzilla. The first beta release is planned for after the feature freeze
 that will happen on 4th of June 2012.

I also finished a very early prelease package of the LibreOffice-3.6.0~alpha1.
It is:

 - i386 only
 - in https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/
 - totally untested
 - I had to disable smoketest to finish it
 - will eat your cat and sacrifice your children to Zul
 - if you throw valueable data at it or install it on a productive system and
   complain about dataloss, I will mock you in public for it ;)
 - if you file bugs however, thats of course most welcome!
 - see:
   - 
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/06/03/new-and-changed-features-experience-and-test-them-now/
   - 
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/05/11/new-and-changed-functions-you-can-experience-and-test-them-now/
   for things to test and try out

To test this:
 - install Ubuntu 12.04 in a VMWare/VirtualBox
 - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases
 - sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-gnome

Dont use this on productive machines!

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:33:53AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
  - totally untested

Indeed -- I will need to fix some dependencies to make in install cleanly. So,
hold on for a bit until that is fixed. 

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] 3.6.0~beta1 in ppa for precise (was: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 beta1 available)

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all,

On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 03:00:43AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 Hi *,
 
 for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, we today upload a first beta1
 build that is (almost) feature-complete. For further milestones on the
 way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release plan timings here:
 
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release
 
 Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't
 spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab
 them here:
 
  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/
 
 If you've a bit of time, please give them a try  report *critical*
 bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the
 release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to
 populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
 feedback.
 
 The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.5.4 is here:
 
  
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-release-3.5.99.1.log
 
 So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and
 validation that those bugs are really fixed.
 
 Thanks a lot for your help,

As with the alpha release, this beta is also available in the prereleases ppa 
for Ubuntu Precise:

https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases

All the warnings of the alpha release announcement still apply.

Happy testing!

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta1 available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:59:54AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 Dear Community,
 
 The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first beta release of
 LibreOffice 3.6.0. The upcoming 3.6.0 will be our fourth major release
 in two years, and comes with a nice set of new features. Please be
 aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta1 is not ready for production use,
 you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.4 for that.

For those wanting to test on Ubuntu, please:

- set up a VM with Ubuntu 12.04 and in it:
  - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases
  - sudo apt-get update
  - sudo apt-get install libreoffice

and then go viciously testing on it!

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:13:21 +0100
From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com
To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa 
libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
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* Present:
+ Norbert, Rainer, Eike, Lionel, Michael, Stephan, Andras,
  Cedric, Bjoern, Kendy, Astron, Petr, Mitch

* Completed Action Items
+ add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten)
+ poke at Windows 8 certification requirements (Andras)
+ ran the test kit on LibreOffice, passed with warnings
+ clean uninstall modulo
+ not un-installing fonts - a feature
+ file signing issues - need to sign executables
+ tested on 64bit Win8 - works nicely.
+ update the splash-screen image for 3.6 (Astron)
+ contest ongoing ... targeted for Beta3

* Pending Action Items
+ [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly 
ones (Bjoern)
+ all of the templates in modulo BrightBlue problems
+ these show up only in the product
+ ready in a branch for merge before Beta2

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.6 / Beta 1 retrospective
+ delayed by deluge of commits just before FF.
+ misc. problems caused by one-off gbuild migrations
+ testing much encouraged here:
+ not enough new 3.6 specific bugs
+ 3.6 / Beta 2
+ Monday freeze - want all late-features in by then.
+ 3.5.5
+ thanks for all the patch reviews !
+ linux build host failed, Fridrich re-built a replacement
+ rc1 builds up-loaded, deadline for rc2 is in 25th June
+ longer window than usual

* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ checked-in with a few students this week

* Late features for Beta2
+ Windows 7 / UI improvements needs 2x more reviews.
+ Astron: approved the look - with some bug fixes
AI: + provide 3rd review of it (Markus)
+ calc: data-bars  color-scales (Moggi)
+ Beta1 has most of the core changes for the feature
+ dialogs  ODF changes were missing  need review / merging
+ ~1k lines of change
AI: + mail this evening for that (Markus)
AI: + review Markus' changes (Kendy)
AI: + sanity check UI of Markus' changes (Astron)
AI: + final sanity check of Kendy's issues (Eike)

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ icon licensing
AI: + send out some mail addresses to poke (Astron)
AI: + poke Tango authors (Michael)
+ default document / style-loading before feature-freeze
+ not quite ready yet
+ limited font selection annoying / is it worthwhile ?
+ needs testing, as to whether updating the std. styles
  alters future documents, and/or impacts performance
= punt to 3.7 post discussion
+ discussing promoting style use (Kendy/Mirek)
+ show styles in a drop-down
+ with a sub-menu for improving the styles

* SQLite vs. HSQLDB for base (Lionel)
+ SQLite very sloppy typing can cause serious problems cf.
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811
+ no date/time datatype.
= perhaps not a good idea to switch to sqlite
   longer term
+ without tons of special casing, get lots of
  nasty bugs outside string, float
+ a new candidate with sane licensing, sane language,
  and code size required - thinking ongoing.
+ our best shot might be firebird
+ MPL license variant
+ feature set looks good

* Idiots' guide to using gerrit (Bjoern)
+ postponed for next week

* Exciting - existing user profile / upgrade bug tracker:
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489
+ potentially split this out into the 3.5 regression
  breakdown

* gcc 4.7 builds (Bjoern)
+ is anyone building regularly with this ?
+ latest Fedora building routinely with that (Stephan)
+ mostly just new warning cleanup
+ found an internal compiler error (Bjoern)
+ subsequenttest failure (Bjoern)
+ UNO bridges over-aggressive optimisation fix (Stephan)

* MSI cross-compile / packaging (Mitch)
+ Elidh making good progress, sees MSI files created
  by the code...

* re-basing update (Michael)
+ so far ~4k / 60k .[ch] files re-based
+ more aggressive string cleanups etc. are now welcome in
  any file 

[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: LibreOffice ESC call, Thur Jul 5th - 14:00UTC]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi Norbert,

- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com -

+ notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
- End forwarded message -

IIRC you had a way to get all 'our' freedesktop accounts so that we can
recheckeveryone moved over?

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com -

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:55:50 +0100
From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com
To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa 
libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
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* Present:
+ Pierre-Eric, Stephan, Lionel, Eike, Bjoern, Michael,
  Cedric, Astron, Thorsten, Rainer, Caolan, David, Petr

* Completed Action Items
+ fix gerrit moderation issues (Bjoern)
+ help Mirek update Mac installer artwork (Thorsten)
+ always official artwork in RC1, needs thoufgth
+ adapt  bring closer the 3.5.6 schedule (Petr)
+ design team made nice google+ post about new templates (Mirek)

https://plus.google.com/u/0/102673546895803839652/posts/B69SRVVi89t

* Pending Action Items
+ notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
+ pending Norbert's return
+ check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten)
+ crediting: can we separate templates in the credits page (Spaetz?)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.5.5 retrospective
+ went well, modulo needing another release-candidate
+ should we extend the gap between RC's - or not ?
+ prolly not we get few of these fix regressions
+ 3.5.6 RC1 - July 14th - 2 weeks time.
+ 3.6.0 RC1
+ builds ready, pending Mac PPC builds, announce tomorrow
+ looking good, but plenty of bugs to fix
+ 3.6.0 RC2 - Monday deadline
AI: + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael)
+ Unique IP's using 3.6.0 betas so far:
+ B1 - 1100
+ B2 - 1000
+ B3 - 220

* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ time to ensure all evaluations are in; only 2 pending.

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ concerns about green-ness of new branding
+ leave it as-is for now; fix later in 3.6.2 if
  people havn't acclimatised to the brightness.
+ more tweaks to meet branding / alignment requirements
= new splashes coming
+ progress bar appearance on OS/X is poor
+ about-box / background image work in progress
AI: + Mango icons - not in yet, going in ~tomorrow (Astron)
AI: + fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Michael)

* re-basing update (Michael)
+ 76 modules ~complete, 59 to go
+ ~17k files re-based.

* Solaris compile / status update (Pierre-Eric)
+ friendly French chap working for Lanedo
+ couple of weeks of work to make it compile on Solaris with gcc
+ so far, starts, looks pretty and crashes
+ involved on IRC (pepp) - debugging and improving things there
+ focused on Intel initially

* un-merged patches in bugzilla (Michael S / Caolan)
+ halved the numbers of open bugs

* cppunit / build issues (Michael)
+ deferred for Markus / David to be present.

* QA update (Rainer)
+ business as usual
+ no un-expected problems in 3.6
+ no real blockers known currently
+ Tollef's bugzilla improvements
+ migrated database to faster  virtualised hardware.
+ fewer error-message problems so far.

* Windows / ldap (Fridrich)
+ porting from mozilla ldap library to native windows API
+ moving to openldap included for linux / generic builds
+ leave mozilla code for addressbook integration,
  and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled
+ use NSS for security pieces

* gerrit update (David / Bjoern)
+ E-mail firehose
+ initially a bit much, turned it down a bit.
+ send mails for 'new change' and 'merged' now.
+ 'merged' is buggy, if you push directly without
  signing-off on gerrit before; bug filed.
+ gerritbot: scripting to eg. send mails etc. is in:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/gerritbot
+ can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail (Lionel)
+ would be nice !
+ two ways to do mailing - better to move to using stream object
  and generate our own mails (Bjoern)
+ change templates on server-side; would affect all
  subscribing to a watched project.
+ could we not send mails for committers' changes (Petr)
+ hard to do (Bjoern)
+ some benefits
+ only a few more steps (Eike)
+ confusion from several routes through the flow
+ patches are well-formed  apply (Michael)
+ unwelcome transactional cost (Fridrich)
  

[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com -

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:50:28 +0100
From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com
To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa 
libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: minutes of ESC call ...
X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3

* Present:
Norbert, Stephan, Eike, David T, Lionel, Markus, Kendy, Bjoern,
Caolan, Andras, Michael M, Fridrich, Michael S, Rainer, Astron,
Tibbylickle

* Completed Action Items
+ fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Andras)
+ Mango icons - in gerrit pending review (Astron)
AI: + reviewing action needed for 3-6-0 etc. (Michael, Caolan)

* Pending Action Items
+ notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
AI: + get list of freedesktop mails to Bjoern (Norbert)
+ check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten)
+ crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz?)
+ quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
+ 3.5.5 released, DVDs up-loaded yesterday etc.
+ 3.6.0 RC2
+ build issues on windows but finally up-loaded this morning
+ synching to mirrors, announce expected tomorrow
+ branch created for libreoffice-3-6-0
+ commits must be cherry-picked from 3-6
+ after an additional two reviews (+1 for -3-6)
+ 3.5.6 RC1 - July 30th ish

* 3.6.0 blocker bug check (Petr/Michael)
+ 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=6hide_resolved=1
+ Java runtime fix / cherry-pick
+ concerned that the fix is right ? we can't ship
  endless MSVC++ runtimes.
+ 3.5+ Mac a11y issue - Stephan  Norbert hunting
+ working with 3.6 and it works well (Rainer)
+ most concern around base performance issues
+ integrated cache regression speedup before branch (Fridrich)
+ not a crash issue (Lionel)
+ we can release-note  fix for 3.6.1
AI: + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern)
+ concern wrt. count of testers (Bjeorn)
+ universal / release snapshot unique IP numbers
+ B1 1200, B2 1200, B3 700, RC1 500
+ B3: 55 Linux, 54 Mac, 584 Windows
+ plus Linux distro downloads in parallel
AI: + check updater to push people through to upgrade RCs (Kendy)

* GSOC update (Fridrich)
+ nine of ten students passed the midterm evaluation
+ lots of great work going on, and applied dedication

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ icons already discussed
AI: + another review for splash-screens (Michael)
+ about box background image pending
+ 'official' conference logo is pending needs decision

* cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael)
+ --disable-cve-tests - useful on windows wrt. anti-virus
+ slam-dunk / good idea, merge the patch.
+ indifferent about --disable-xmlsec
+ only intended for iOS / Android currently, should
  not be used on Linux.
+ configure should check  fail if this option is
  set for non iOS / Android
+ --disable-cppunit is controversial
+ programmers are lazy, we want widespread unit
  test running  coverage (Markus)
+ once needed to disable unit tests working on
  coretext (Norbert)
+ 'make build' already exists (Markus)
+ not widely publicised
+ disables all unit tests in the build
+ problem is it doesn't build an install-set
+ can run make cmd cmd=bin/ooinstall after that
+ Ubuntu disables tests during the build already, so
  make check runs them in a separate phase (Bjoern)
+ disabling unit tests generally seems a bad idea, each time
  unit tests break - turned out to be a regression (Fridrich)
+ potential unit test performance problems
+ potential slowdown for linux tinderbox build tests
  investigating it (Norbert)
+ seen some runaway unit tests / slowchecks, chasing it (Bjoern)
+ will continue to dedicate some small % of build-time
  running unit tests

* MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby)
+ been merged to master
+ java enabled / compilation issues
+ help with build process / location of uuidgen
  using undocumented parameters etc.
AI: + help get tinderboxes building up-loading msis (Andras)

* re-basing 

[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-07-27

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all,

here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call on 2012-07-27 14:00 UTC.
Additions and corrections welcome.

attendance: Petr, Rainer, Norbert, Bjoern

completed action items:
+  - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern)
   - authorative close of bugzilla versioning thread (Rainer/Petr)
   - adapt scripts for new versioning (Markus)

pending action items:
   - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy)
   - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros
 to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc.
 RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing
+  - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern)
   - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern)
   - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern)
   - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension
 for bugzilla email search improvements
   - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say Bug instead of
 EasyHack when explcitly requested (Bjoern)
   - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor)
   - betas for Fedora (Caolan)

structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr?)

bug wrangling (Rainer):
   - bugzilla contract improvements (Rainer):
 - while there is some inital latency in a query, results are much quier
   and reliably to browse now
 - next up: OpenID for Bugzilla

community building/communication:
AI - send list of active wranglers (Rainer) (already done)

bibisect for tinderboxes (Norbert):
   - basically works on Linux, OSX. Windows is WiP
   - early tests encouraging:
 - 100 builds at ~400MB
 - Linux a bit smaller, OSX a bit bigger
 - at current growth would mean:
   - 60MB/day 300MB/week or 15GB/year
   - not blocking daily incremental uploads at that size
   - even smaller than uploading a full daily build
 - 'sampling out' with git rewrite should solve that
 - release branch builds still need solving
 - possible tweaks:
   - sdk generates quite big diffs by having timestamps
   - python seems to generate a diff contribution everytime too
   - fixing these would make the delta even smaller
   - l10n builds would be huge
 - OTOH does l10n change that often? (Bjoern)
   - builds with symbols are only plus 30MB, might be well worth it 
 - we still need to have an upload location
   - clarify with Thorsten: can we do that on gimli (Norbert)
 - bytemark machine is waiting for use
   - should continue Bjoerns bibisect series (Norbert)


The next call is on 2012-08-10 1400 UTC.

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[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-10-05 (today) 1300UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

Here are the minutes of the QA call today.

attendance: Thorsten, Joel, Bjoern

pending action items:
   - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern)
   - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern)
   - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say Bug instead of
 EasyHack when explcitly requested (Bjoern)
   - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor)

completed action items:
   - setup hard hack wiki page (Joel)

structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr):
   - no news

bug wrangling:
   - no new hardhacks needed this week
   - open/closed hardhack overview 
AI:  - add closed hard hacks to wiki (Joel)
AI:  - blog about it (Bjoern)
AI:  - lead Joel to get his blog on the planet, once he has one (Bjoern)
   - triaging project update (Joel)
 - we should poke native lang team (Thorsten)
AI:  - poke Sophie about triaging (Bjoern)
   - bugzilla contract updates - postponed, call next week

community building/communication (Joel/Florian?)
   - QA Wochenende in Essen
 - need more people
 - few newcomer
 - bibisect for windows very popular
   - ping Norbert to go forward with it
 - timebased releases still perceived as a problem
   - stable is essentially blocked -- it is open for half a year for
 critical bugs only and hard hacks are the way to communicate those
 to development without overcommitment (Thorsten/Bjoern)
   - more testers of master/3.x.0 needed
   - marketing storm always hits 3.x.0
 - has to be stable enough to prevent backslash
 - needs to be announced at this point in time to allow early adopters
   bugreporting
   - auto updater (Windows)
 - initial troubles should be solved now
 - activate for which minor? 3.x.2/3.x.3
 - maybe offer a update button without popup for early-adopters
   in addition (pull-model on request, push at .2/.3) (Bjoern)
 - BSA API
   - some reservations:
 - we have no trouble with the number of initial bug reports
 - too easy bugfiling lowers the quality of reported bugs, creating
   even more work for bugwranglers
 - we are in need of bug wranglers, not so much reporter
 - most of 'too late bugs' are not 'not reported', but 'not visible to
   dev as a critical bug'
   - instead, we should create a landing page on the end of the BSA?
 - invite people to:
   - confirm bugs
   - verify fixed bugs (mostly to motivate more people into running
 master)
 - maybe even have a menu entry in About for that?

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com -

Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:14:18 +0100
From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com
To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa 
libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: minutes of ESC call ...
X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3

* Completed Action Items
+ ping Tollef wrt. sysadmin work (Bjoern)
+ openID analysis suggests you still need to register [!?]
+ enable automatic help build / sync. on a cron-job (Kendy)
+ now a chron job

* Pending Action Items
+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
+ issues to look into if we can
+ fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten)
+ getting to the bottom takes weeks.
+ fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon)
+ potential fix in the bug.
+ fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten)
+ fdo#51023 - impress DD crasher - (Radek)
+ set updater to get 3.5.0/1 - 3.6.2 (Kendy)

* Submodules (Norbert)
+ ready to pull the trigger on submodules
+ Norbert here to vent any anger
+ concerns wrt. tinderboxen  needing latest tinbuild2
+ still only pulls the modules you need
+ use the latest './g' to go back in time
+ no need for ./g if not using translation/help etc.
+ git / new workdir - unsure if it works
+ git 1.7.9 preferred, worked with git 1.7.4
+ 1.7.9 stores submodules' .git inside top-level .git
+ read http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules
+ really helps tinderboxes / gerrit pre-build magic / bisect etc.
+ only applies to master.
+ for non-core modules big rename to bring one dir-level up.
+ so git-am for bin-filter needs a manual sed first.
+ pushing submodules happened before minutes went live.

* Meeting organisation / minuting
+ weekly calls ok ?
+ better than async mail.
+ do we really need the name roll-call (Caolan)
+ companion IRC channel as an idea ?
+ interleaves it with people coming in (Kendy)
+ action items - machine parseable (Bjoern)
+ status updates generated from the logs ?
+ http://status.ubuntu.com/
AI: + create script to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern)

* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
+ vacation / quality report (deferred)
+ 3.5.7 status
+ rc2 should release during the conference
+ just a blog + announce
+ 3.6.3 rc1 status
+ released = staging on friday, mirrors @ weekend
+ Thorsten announced ? but people busy @ conf.
+ RelEng is a generally helpful section in the call.
+ gives useful up-coming deadline notice.

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ icons for new conditional formats in cells
+ something to play with; more icon sets ?
+ (thanks to Astron)
+ consensus on fonts achieved
+ 3.3Mb uncompressed - 1.5Mb download
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts
+ stripped un-necessary weights from opensans, sourcesans, etc.
AI: + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras)
AI: + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan)
+ still awaiting funky font downloading functionality
+ saxon removal to keep size static.
+ some funky toolbar hacking on the train (Kendy)

* Uses for new hardware (Cedric)
+ some kind French sponsor will provide new machines
+ how can we best use them ?
+ creating VMs of LibreOffice / master for remote testing
+ several platforms, for wider  less disruptive QA
+ log-in and have a play ...
+ getting a -big- bibisect setup here would be beautiful 
(Norbert)
+ share-able across multiple VM's ?
+ does it come with some admin ? (Kendy)
+ off-load the wiki / help.libreoffice.org build there.
+ what Hardware with what OS on it (Norbert)
+ unclear - bare metal etc. ?
AI: + get more details  connect (Norbert / Sophie)

* QA update (Bjoern)
+ HardHack list moved to wiki - 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
+ no changes for this week
+ couple of hard-hacks fixed (thanks to Caolan)
+ bibisect interest increasing
+ how is morale around closing issues (Caolan)
+ bfoman doing a great job providing Win32 / stack-traces
+ lots of bug stuck in early stages, without good
  reproduction / descriptions
+ growing certainty wrt. the old / unconfirmed bug dung-out,
  

[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.0 Beta2 available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:02:05PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

And beta packages for Ubuntu raring can also be found at (in fact for a few 
days already):

https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:46:26PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
 - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again
   execute and trigger the build on gerrit

The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Finished: [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 04:26:23PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 02:25:35PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:46:26PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
   - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again
 execute and trigger the build on gerrit
  
  The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/
 
 All tinderboxes happy, I will execute the move at 2000UTC as announced.

executed:

 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9337e22ce1dbf2eba0e8c8db294ae99f4111f91

and build successfully locally.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC2 test builds available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:40:59AM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote:
 Hi *,
 
 for the upcoming new version 4.0.3, the RC2 builds now start to be
 available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release
 candidate build on the way towards 4.0.3, please refer to our release
 plan timings here:
 
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#4.0.3_release
 
 Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't
 spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab
 them here:
 
  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

Just for completeness adding Ubuntu PPAs as an option too:

 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Minutes QA-call 2013-05-03

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all,

this is a raw copy of the minutes of the last QA call on 2013-05-31, the 
original
can be found here:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/May_31

Please refer to the wikipage for a better formatted format of the minutes.

Best,

Bjoern

P.S.: Robinson, it would be awesome if we could drop such a note on the minutes
to the projects@-list in the future so it is kept visible to other parts of the
project. could you take care of that? Even just dropping the link to the wiki
page might be enough TBH.

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Start

Meeting started at: 13:01
Participants: Robinson, Joel, Petr, Joren, Thomas, Florian R., SteveBell, 
Bjoern, Mas

Notes:

Bjoern and Mas joined later.

Opening Discussion

(none)
Pending Items
PENDING ITEM: Proposals regarding our workflow

PUNTED: Until next meeting (May 31) (ran out of time).

[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Don't create proposal and AGREE to it on the 
same day. Instead we should discuss, add a PROPOSAL (keyword in bold), and 
allow those who do not attend call to reply via email. If no negative feedback 
by next call, we can mark as AGREED and remove the Item from our PENDING ITEMS 
list.
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Slow down on some of our proposals/work. E.g. on 
the creation of the qa.libreoffice.org
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: If we make a decision that takes a lot of time 
for other people, wait a long time; 3+ weeks to hold on for people
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Don't make a rule about how to triage things; 
Just lead by example

Joel -- Any objections to the current slate of PROPOSALs?
(None...)
We've been waiting a bit more on our
ACTION: Joel will ask devs/users about moving BugReport page under QA (and 
perhaps refactoring)

PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will do a test run today, then will email QA List (and 
core people) and ask for feedback.
If all is good, Joel will try to ramp up to 50+ a day

386 bug reports
Gotten some complaints, but few
Going to 'my bugs' doesn't display all of one's bugs (e.g. NEEDINFO bugs 
aren't on there) -- Joel filed a bug report and emailed Tollef.
ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from 
now, will close the bugs as invalid
Joel -- Feel free to walk away if a user is starting to tick you off

PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will continue to shepherd the project; Will coordinate 
with Rob

ACTION: Joel will do a test of the French BSA and see what is left to do 
(with Floeff)
Perhaps we just need to add an email address to the French email list 
(Floeff has mod rights?)

PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates

[DONE] ACTION: Joel will (try to) contact the maintainer of the LO 
Extension Site again

Joel is waiting
Someone from ESC said that they pinged Andreas, who should in turn ping 
Joel (but no word yet)
We need a more permanent solution, but for now, add Cor or Bjoern to bug 
reports filed against Extensions (they can help you out)
Bjoern - Once we have things more sorted out, we'll have to find if we can 
prioritize in other extension improvements
Mas - Is thinking about joining the Extension (?) Team
ACTION: Joel will get Mas the information about the Extension bugs problem
(hopefully will get us some traction on this ITEM)

PENDING ITEM: QA Website

ACTION: Joren will create OSX-specific pages
ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages
[DONE] ACTION: For everyone - if you want a pic and/or bio on the site, 
please send that info to Florian R.
[DONE] ACTION: Florian R. will update Windows-specific pages

Joel did some work on the front page (but can't publish, as he doesn't have 
publishing rights yet)
Joel - Ping him with any updates/tihngs that he should fix (or fix them 
yourself, if you have appropriate rights)
Joel - Will try to get Linux-specific page ready by next meeting
Joel - Add personal information if you like to the Core Team page
Ping Florian R. with changes/updated information if you would like him to 
make updates
Homepage and Windows pages have a solid draft. Team page is close to done.

PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?

[DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will keep shepherding the implementation of this 
feature

Bjoern - Tollef said that bugs should be filed for Voting/Bold statement to 
email
Joel - I filed bugs :-)
[ Joel's bugs: FDO query ]
Bjoern - Still waiting to hear from Tollef
ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates

PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail

[DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will keep working on this feature

(Same as previous ITEM)
ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait 

[libreoffice-projects] Re: Hackfest kit ?

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi Immanuel, Eike,

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:30:43PM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:
 Obviously you need a room capable to hold the expected number of people
 with tables and proper seating. We were ~20 people on the Hamburg
 Hackfest last weekend, ~25-30 in Munich last year, but these numbers are
 probably higher than what can be expected for Montreal because Germany
 is somewhat the home play for LibreOffice and within good reach for
 European hackers.

For Montreal, promoting the event locally would be even more important. It
would be highly helpful to find some connection to a local computer science
department (maybe even get the support of a professor), to get some students on
board. Print flyers and posters.[1]

With regard to missing home play, you likely need to sponsor to fly in some
some experienced hackers to bootstrap the event. I would even consider calling
them speakers -- it suggests a shy interested reader that he can come by and
can passively consume a talk. Depending on the audience that may be the start,
but in the long run, we ideally want to do an introduction and then move on to
a more workshop-like feeling to get things done.

 Last but not least, have fun and hack :-)

One more organizational thing: Offer distibuted couchsurfing in some kind or
way -- not only is it a cheap accomodation, it also helps creating social
bonding[2].

Best,

Bjoern

[1] template: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HackfestHamburg2013Flyer.odg
[2] Im saying that as someone being told You should call your mother more
often! on the Hackfest. ;)

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC1 available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all,

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 06:44:01PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

and Ubuntu users can find a packaged version for Ubuntu 13.10 Saucy at:

 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases

and test it with a simple:

 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases
 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get install libreoffice

Good hunting for everyone taking part in the triage contest!

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC3 available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:36:21AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

And Ubuntu users find a packaged build in the pre-releases PPA at:

 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases

with builds for Ubuntu saucy (13.10), Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) and Ubuntu 12.04
LTS precise. A big Thank you! to Rico Tzschichholz for providing the backports
this timely.

Best,

Bjoern

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:42:02AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Michael Meeks wrote (18-07-13 17:35)
 
 * Should we kill TDF .deb builds ? (Bjoern)
 
 For my understanding, that means that people that for reasons prefer
 to install without system integration and do testing and or work
 with their own deployment plan, ...
 would not be able to download the versionXYZ_x86_deb.tag.gz any more
 from libreoffice.org/download ?
 Handy alternatives ?

The proposal was to build straightforward tarballs instead of something
faking to be a debian package. That would still allow all of the above. Note
though that at least for Ubuntu the PPAs are really quick and allow you to keep
control of your deployment plan for major releases (e.g. the libreoffice-4-0
ppa will not update you to LibreOffice 4.1).

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.2 RC1 available

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 11:43:59AM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
 builds download page at
 
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
 
 LibreOffice 4.2.2 RC1 is also available in a 64bit version for Mac OS
 X 10.8 (or newer)

Ubuntu trusty (14.04) users will also find a build in all these PPAs:

 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases
 https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-2

Backports to Ubuntu 13.10 and 12.04 will likely follow soon.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisect suggestion (was: QA Meeting Minutes - 2014-04-21)

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:43:43PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote:
 From the QA meeting minutes:
 
  (*) SUGGESTION: Standardization of our summary field for Bugzilla
  (*) Or: When searching for one phrase, display results from a
  similar one (e.g. image - picture or graphic)

Hmm, Im uncertain as to what the goal is here and if its reachable.
- Reporters (end users) will most likely ignore an attempt at using a
  standardized vocabulary
- Triagers will most likely have a good grip on all the words used for one
  topic and might even derive additional information from the nuances (as
  Terrence shows here ;) )
- Ultimately: Who should be the consumer of these queries/standardisation? How
  does it help devs to address the impportant and urgent bugs quicker?

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: minutes of ESC call ... (2014-07-17)]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

* Present: Muthu, Bjoern, Eike, Mirek, Miklos, David, Norbert, Cloph, Andras,
   Caolan, Jacobo, Moggi, Kohei


* Completed Action Items:
+ try to add per-process resource limits for crashtest (Markus)
+ eg. bash's builtin ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv [limit]] etc.
+ switch a windows tinderbox to mst-make post 4.3 (Cloph)
+ master tinderbox (51) does this, impressive improvement
  (delta 30 minutes, release build 90 minutes now)
+ disable the new colors of formatting marks for Mac if this causes it 
(Quikee)


* Pending Action Items:
+ ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron)
+ blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
+ setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph)
+ in progress
+ open-source newer Synezip tests / speak at the conference (Umesh)
+ Ask for 1-2 more dev-list moderators  re-visit next-week (Michael)
+ contact Michael / the list when students show up (Jan Marek)


* GSOC Update (Cedric)
+ at least 6 students will be at the conference in Bern
+ a student presentation slot has been created:
+ thus students can prepare a 5-6 minute lightning talk on their project


* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 4.2.6 status
+ four open changes on gerrit for libreoffice-4-2-6, rc2 next week
  
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-4-2-6,n,z
+ 4.3.0 RC3 status
+ builds done
+ QA announce done
+ RC announce on libreoffice.org tonight
+ no open changes on gerrit for libreoffice-4-3-0
+ all on track (Cloph)
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
+ crashes more frequently with 8 cores (moggi)
+ crash test machine reset to Mageia instead of Fedora, no reboots so far 
(Cloph)
 
* Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
 + waiting until ~September

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ Boston Hackfest:
+ July 26-27th
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/US_Summer_Hackfest
+ Tough to line-up mentoring devs
 + would appreciate developers via Google Hangout etc.
+ QA is happy to recruit programmers for our internal projects,
  but would like to share w/the dev team.
+ poke potential hosters again (Michael)
+ (possible) Seattle
+ Oct 25-27
+ Straw poll: Who could make these dates?
+ prolly better to ping people individually (Michael)
+ Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
+ will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
  just show up etc.
   + November 21st-23rd, 2014
   https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
   + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
+ Toulouse Hackfest ...
+ Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
+ more details: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
+ Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
 
* 4.3 cycle Bugzilla stats (Bjoern)
 4.2   4.3
Delta   Change
   BIBISECTTOTAL 176   296  
120   68.18%
   UNRESOLVED 60   100  
 40   66.67%
   RESOLVED  116   196  
 80   68.97%
   DUPLICATES   3725  4573  
848   22.77%
   FIXED   ALL  5320  6464 
1144   21.50%
   ENHANCEMENTS  324   394  
 70   21.60%
   NON-ENHANCEMENTS 4996  6070 
1074   21.50%
   enhancement fix ratio
   6.12%
   UNCONFIRMED   790   977  
187   23.67%  Goal: 0% QA
   NEW ALL  6473  7235  
762   11.77%
   ENHANCEMENTS 1503  1745  
242   16.10%
   NON-ENHANCEMENTS 4970  5490  
520   10.46%
   REGRESSIONS TOTAL2206  2837  
631   28.60%
   UNRESOLVED349   408  
 59   16.91%  Goal: 0% Development
   RESOLVED 1857  2429  
572   30.80%
   bibisect ratio  17.19%24.51%
7.32%  42.57%  Goal: 0% QA
   bibisect resolution ratio
  13.99% of fixed regressions were bibisected this cycle
  

[libreoffice-projects] TDF Grant Request/Proposal: LibreOffice project dashboard/All about LibreOffice

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi all, Hi TDF treasurers,

The Document Foundation has a grant request page for some time now:

 http://www.documentfoundation.org/grant-request/

to allow members of the Docuemnt Foundation to actively make suggestions on
projects and efforts that should be funded to bring LibreOffice forward.

The Board of the Document Foundation did of course collect and approve projects
for LibreOffice before, but going ahead we will try to make public as much
proposals for funding as possible even before approval for transparency.

One of the older preexisting proposals still under consideration is a Dashboard
for the LibreOffice project that shows what is going on in all parts of the
project.

I have tried to fill this proposal with life by bringing it in the form
expected by the grant-proposals page. See below for the full text of the
proposal. Along with this mail, I have send this grant request to
treasu...@documentfoundation.org as suggested on the grant-request webpage.

If you are member of TDF supporting this project, think it should be funded and
most importantly want to help out in either overseeing the tender or otherwise
getting it executed, please make yourself heard: Your help will be appreciated.

Note as of now, this is just a _proposal_ and a draft: It hasnt been approved
by the Board to receive any funding yet. However, given the vast amount of
regular data going towards LibreOffice contributors (in development alone:
tinderbox status, gerrit submissions, cppcheck updates, coverity updates, lcov
updates to name a few) personally I think this is getting more important every
day. The Board of the Document Foundation will have to weight its impact
against a lot of other proposals -- many of them excellent -- in the next
'budgeting round'.

Best,

Bjoern



Grant request/proposal follows below:

== grant details ==

Grant Proposal:
Creating a LibreOffice community and developer dashboard (All about
LibreOffice)

a cost estimate has been shared with the Board of the Document Foundation
ini private for budget approval and reservation of funds

Grant objective:
Create a webpage showing latest activity, summaries and trends of the
LibreOffice project in all areas: development, qa, user-to-user support etc.
The webpage should be easily extensible for developers providing scripts
analysing current and historic data from various project infrastructure.

Grant size: to be tendered

Grant beneficiaries: tender contractor

Grant follow-up: Frameworks, languages and tools used should be popular and
widely used to allow the result to be community maintained and sustained after
initial development. Extensibility should allow developers to refine the
dashboard without deep insight in the used frameworks and tools. Blog posts
should advertize the dashboard to the LibreOffice community and invite
contributions.

=== User stories ===

As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to find out about the
latest events and actions happening in the project today presented on a
webpage. Updates do not need to be real-time, but delays should not be bigger
than 1-2 hours.

As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to find out about the
latest events and actions happening in the project since my last visit
presented as a newsfeed (RSS/Atom) for my reader.

As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to create a newsfeed that
filters for interest of specific interest for me.

As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to query filtered on if an
event creates or resolves an action item for a specific subproject. Here are
some examples based on Bugzilla: regression filed would be qa-task-created (need
confirmation/triage), regression triaged/moved to NEW (qa-task-resolved,
dev-task-created), regression fixed (dev-task-resolved).

As a designer, I want to be able to improve layout and looks of the dashboard
with just basic knowledge on coding.

As a designer, I want to be able to create subpages that present filtered
information of interest to a specific subproject e.g. events and actions of
interest for development, of interest for QA etc.

As a programmer, I want to be able to feed events and actions happening on any
system of the project to be displayed to the system simply by adding a script
generating a RSS/Atom newsfeed to an existing repository using only existing
credentials (gerrit account). At least all common *nix script languages
(Python, Perl, Ruby, PHO) should be supported, even C/C++/Haskell/Ocaml should
be possible unless there are overwhelming troubles. 

As a programmer, I want to be able supply summaries and aggregate data by
querying for existing events in the system and simply parsing a RSS/Atom
newsfeed. I want to be able to send these summaries as an event just like 
others.

As a programmer, I want to associate events send to the system with tags
because that allows to query for specific types of events either for summaries
or for presentation on subproject pages.

As a 

[libreoffice-projects] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove?
>  
> + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/
> + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay)
> + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay)
> + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy)

Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0.
There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human
complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the
ultimate fallback.

For upcoming releases see lp#1506544:

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1506544

Note that does NOT mean we should immediately drop human. At least for
5.1/xenial it should be kept an transitional option.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-21

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz, Stuart
> 
> * UI changes integrated the last week:
> 
> + Enable auto-numbering by default reverted for now (Samuel)
> + First/last button in the Calc tab bar (Tomaž)
> + NotebookBar proof-of-concept pushed (Kendy)
> + alt-x support to math (Justin)
> + more 32px Breeze icons (Andreas)
> + Appearance -> Application Colors (Adolfo)
> + initial "Home" NotebookBar tab proof-of-concept (Samuel)
> + make sidebar toolboxs item order RTL sensitive (Bubli)

+ proper scrollwheel handling in TabBar/Sidebar (Bjoern)

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:21:22PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote:
> Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use
> tango.

I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do
extra rounds beyond that now.

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing call minutes: 17 May 2016

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 02:17:16PM +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> 5. Launch of "Week/Month of LibreOffice 5.2" in August?
>   -> Easy to repeat from May campaign
>   -> Can be reproduced locally or for specific territory
>   -> Might make sense for specific time of year in other countries (eg
> Chinese new year?)
>   -> Global project, but have to be strong locally -- run local
> campaigns to be visible at government levels

Hmmm, why in August?

We will have 5.2.0 to be released in the first week of August[1], so:

- lots of folks in all parts of the project will be in firefighting mode, not
  being able to mentor or onboard newcomers
- we will have enough stories to tell from the release itself (hopefully)

Wouldnt it make sense to make that November (6 months shifted from May -- aka
roughly the same time in the release cycle as May)?

Also May to August is just 2 months pause, so we might see some fatigue from
interested parties there. Esp. if we do it again every 3 months. After all, May
was explicitly selected because it is an otherwise rather slow month -- August
(and February) are exactly the opposite.

Just wondering ...

Best,

Bjoern

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.2#5.2.0_release

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[libreoffice-projects] [ke...@collabora.com: Minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-11]

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Forwarding ESC minutes as they seem to be missing on projects@
- Forwarded message from Jan Holesovsky  -

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:07:34 +0200
From: Jan Holesovsky 
To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa

Subject: Minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-11
X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.11

* Present: Lionel, Eike, Sophie, Christian, jan I, Kendy, Caolán, David,
  Armin, Michael S, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Thorsten
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ ask for the script to change ::std -> std, check it in & queued up for 
the merge window (JanI)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ Program committee to work on the Conf. program (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, 
Marina)
+ for breeze etc. originals, find out who needs commit access & enable them 
to do it (Heiko)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.6 - in October
+ 5.2.1 RC1
+ has been tagged yesterday, builds uploading (except OS X)
+ when uploaded, will announce
+ Android & iOS Remote
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Vienna / Prague unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+(had an hard-disk failure and spend time rebuilding computer from scratch 
and restoring backup)
+ please approve https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/ and 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27857/
AI: + will check it (Cloph)
+ investigated gitbook for collaborative book writing
+ not so much different than editing a wiki page. Has pros and cons
+ Has issue on importing existing ODT book - investigating
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd 19:00 UTC for students to submit their work
+ Mentors then review, final deadline for mentor eval is August 29th
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
+ !!! soft pen-down next Monday (15th), on 23rd deliver & package
+ to be frozen and delivered after that
+ important that the students deliver that on time, otherwise they'll 
be failed
+ 6 students attending the Conference
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ can we start to monitor the unresolved bugs with "needsUXeval" here 
regularly? (Bjoern)
+ like we do for e.g. QA (needinfo) and mentoring (easyhacks)
+ currently 164 (22 touched last week):
  
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED_status=REOPENED_status=RESOLVED_status=VERIFIED_status=CLOSED_status=NEEDINFO_status=PLEASETEST=needsUXEval%2C%20_type=allwords_id=627266=changeddate%20DESC%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity=LibreOffice_format=advanced=---
  
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED_status=REOPENED_status=RESOLVED_status=VERIFIED_status=CLOSED_status=NEEDINFO_status=PLEASETEST=-7d=Now=needsUXEval%2C%20_type=allwords_id=627267=LibreOffice_format=advanced=---
+ urgh, I see we have that already (@jani: or is that EasyHacks only? 
or global?) 
+ would be good though to discuss additions (bugs with new needsUXeval) 
and removals (bugs with solved needsUXeval)
+ according to ESC minutes since Jul 14 we gained some 21 unresolved 
(+15% in one month)
+ actually seems to be monitored already, but not much discussed (Bjoern)
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten, 
Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the 
reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbols anymore
  / bring it to some ESC when Stephan is here (Stephan / Bjoern)
+ for breeze etc. originals, find out who needs commit access & enable them 
to do it (Heiko)
+ Breeze & co. originals in git should be done 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html
+ approve https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/ and
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27857/ (Cloph)

* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ Program committee to work on the Conf. program (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, 
Marina)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week, rc1 last week rc2 next week (cloph)
+ all on track (cloph)
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc1 Oct 4th
+ 5.2 → 5.2.1 rc2 next Tue (Aug 23rd)
+ 5.3 → 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ Android & iOS Remote

* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
   + kendy away, anyone else?
   + shm_get: see ya there
   + erAck: prep slides!

* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help page for doc classification in.
   -> vm173.documentfoundation.org/text/swriter/classificationbar.xhp
+ Preparing help page for CMIS setup and usage
   -> Found CMIS access very slow in cmis.alfresco.com/cmisatom
   -> will install Alfresco community in laptop to study check-in/check-out 
real case
+ Writer Guide book under review by Jean Weber
+ Getting Started 5.2 open for update
   -> Community slow to jump in (vacations?).
+ Bjoern: blocking on something from dev/infra?
 + infra to put link for Q for 5.3, not urgent (askbot or something 
else)

* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd 19:00 UTC for students to submit their work
+ Mentors then review, final deadline for mentor eval is August 29th
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
+ !!! soft pen-down next Monday (15th), on 23rd deliver & package
+ to be frozen and delivered after that
+ important that the students deliver that on time, otherwise they'll 
be failed
+ 6 students attending the Conference
+ no news, make students document/blog wildly (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ from: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html
+ ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not easy to file against a 
certain component
+ tracking of needsux: sure, can do that; but many people may 
understand enhancements similar to ux, which needs to get covered (or better we 
restrict our trust in the numbers)
+ no semantic difference between "component:LibreOffice 
keyword:needsUXeval" and "component:ux-advise" (Bjoern)
+ introduced keyword, to allow component linked (Heiko)
+ component for newcomers (Heiko)
+ personally like to keep both (Heiko)
+ 350 and 150 in each bucket (Bjoern)
+ component:LibreOffice is the catch-all (Bjoern)
+ watch compoment for mailing list? (Heiko)
+ get a email for every bug change and filter (Thorsten)
+ ML create false impression there might be a discussion (Thorsten)
+ actual discussion should happen (Eike)
+ RSS Feed for query: 
https://www.bugzilla.org/features/#buglist-formats (Jan-Marek)
AI  + move component:ux-advise to component:LibreOffice keyword:UX as 
ninja-edit