Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
On 03/22/2011 01:08 PM, Erich Christian wrote: Hi Jeff, Tim, * Am 20.03.2011 19:39, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com: On 03/20/2011 02:14 PM, Erich Christian wrote: Am 18.03.2011 22:56, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com: So the domain name is always a good place [URL] to start with. Jeff mentioned that he is up to start a site on our server, so let me have your suggestion for a desireable subdomain. I'll set up the subsites then and you can start getting familiar with Silverstripe. I am for north-america. since we are dealing with English first, then French and Spanish languages. So we cannot use EN, ES, or FR. NA is used somewhere for a language, as far as I know. So using a two letter combination will be out. So if we can have a longer sub-domain, I would approve. Subdomain is set up and Siverstripe prepared for the dvd ui in the first place, so you may register your account(s) at http://devel.libreofficebox.org/register/ (Anmelden) and drop a note here. HI Erich: regstered as jchimene Cheers, jec -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
On 03/21/2011 07:56 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi drew, *, drew schrieb: On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 21:51 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: [..] No. This enables authoring Your DVD in Silverstripe and have the contents extracted to static html after that, which is required for building the ISO. Howdy, First - the work on the SilverStripe tooling is very much appreciated. For myself, I would really like to see us, the folks that have contributed so far to this NA DVD project, make use of the infrastructure going forward. There are many benefits to doing so, in my opinion. Can confirm Your assumption by experience ;o)). My concern has been with the current state of the assembled files. By which I mean that we have been going over all the files assembled with an eye to licenses and fitness for redistribution. ( Jeff C. has put a lot of effort into this due diligence step) In doing so a number of problem files were flagged and removed. Much of this work was already done by us focussed on german language part but not exclusively. I optimistically look forward bringing together these efforts. Currently there is a large number of templates that are being reviewed, it's only a matter of days before this is finished. As well in this area we've already done much work. The fact that your last beta DVD was about 2.7 GB in size, and our NA DVD is currently about 4 GB in size shows that we have a lot more content to go over. Also at least one of your artwork .oxt files [Floral-Studio] seemed to have image content. I even looked to see if I could get an up-to-date one for that file, but still seemed to have problems with it. There were other .oxt files we found on our original list that either were blank or has issues and had to be removed from our DVD. Many of the ones that were found on the OOo site seemed not to state that they can be used in a personal document but not in a business one. So if we included them in our DVD and there were issues. . . . Other .oxt files loaded items where some could be used for business while others can not. The only way to find this information on the per item basis was to unarchived the file and read the license file[s] contained there. How many people know that there are license files hidden in some the .oxt files? I did not till was told. I never thought to look at the .oxt files as archived ones. Until that is finished I would not be comfortable pushing these files up to the community server. That is my primary concern, giving any pause, at th moment. No hurry from our side. It's an offer not limited by any ultimatum. ;o)) Our only hurry is we want to get this DVD out to the public as soon as we can, but there are still a few edits needed to be done. One thing we found was the Top link in the footer of the pages taken directly from the original German 3.3.0 pages had issues on where the link went to. Some worked and some did not. Some even pointed to places that it should not have been. So I made sure they all worked. Some of the issues must have came from the modifications I did, but some did not. I checked the original files that I still have on backup and a few did not work in the original German DVD. At that point I'd like to see us generate an ISO that would be viewed as a beta for the disc image, for people to review. That also would be, in my opinion, a good spot to actually start the work of moving over to the community based server. Just rise hands if You are prepared. Maybe response time lasts a bit - we are all at the limit these days. Raise our Hands? well we will be ready as soon as we get our work done on this part of the project so the French and Spanish translation teams can start their work. Then we can start a new process or whatever we want to after that, including dealing with your server system. [..] Gruß/regards -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
Hiho Erich, Am 19.03.2011 20:36, schrieb Erich Christian: Hi K-J, Am 19.03.2011 00:30, schrieb ol klaus-jürgen weghorn: I get a HTTP500 Interner Serverfehler on IE8. On Firefox I get only a white page without anything. Now it works again. Footer: The footer of the webpage is in German. I don't know if it is only if the browser is in German or is it for all. The three links Datenschutz, Impressum and Sitemap get always a Page not found. I've changed the footer for the english pages and created the privacy and sitemap pages. Impressum is not quite translated so I've requested your edit in SS. ;-) Now I have splitted it in a International and a German part. I can't request the page, I can only save it. Grüße k-j -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
Am 20.03.2011 12:31, schrieb Erich Christian: Hi K-J, Am 20.03.2011 09:03, schrieb ol klaus-jürgen weghorn: Now I have splitted it in a International and a German part. I can't request the page, I can only save it. Pls try again to publish, should work now. Fast and furios ;-) Works Another: Christian has made an arrow on the right side of the page if the page was to long. The arrow isn't implemented in this website. The scroll to the top in the footer would be a little bit small to recognize. Grüße k-j -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 21:51 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Webmaster for Lungstrom.com, *, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb: On 03/18/2011 12:51 PM, Erich Christian wrote: Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com: Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian: [..] [quote] We have finished the first step of our move and are up to prepare Silverstripe and the iso generating scripts on libreofficebox.org for multilingual use [unquote] What does this mean? It seems to read that there will be a script that will generate an ISO file on demand for the visitor. No. This enables authoring Your DVD in Silverstripe and have the contents extracted to static html after that, which is required for building the ISO. Howdy, First - the work on the SilverStripe tooling is very much appreciated. For myself, I would really like to see us, the folks that have contributed so far to this NA DVD project, make use of the infrastructure going forward. There are many benefits to doing so, in my opinion. My concern has been with the current state of the assembled files. By which I mean that we have been going over all the files assembled with an eye to licenses and fitness for redistribution. ( Jeff C. has put a lot of effort into this due diligence step) In doing so a number of problem files were flagged and removed. Currently there is a large number of templates that are being reviewed, it's only a matter of days before this is finished. Until that is finished I would not be comfortable pushing these files up to the community server. That is my primary concern, giving any pause, at th moment. At that point I'd like to see us generate an ISO that would be viewed as a beta for the disc image, for people to review. That also would be, in my opinion, a good spot to actually start the work of moving over to the community based server. @Tim, I could not explain the details of the custom build scripts of course, but the general use of a Content Management System (CMS) for building the disc image contents is something I do understand, if your interested I'd be happy to talk to you about that on a phone call. If we could get all of us on the NA team on a call that would be great - perhaps there is some help we could get on that. A good spot to stop for one email I think. Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
Hi Tim, * Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com: Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian: Are these sub-sites just English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, etc., translations for the German version, or will they be their own versions of the original site with content differences and such? Subsites will be created on demand of teams like at LO website and the teams are free to decide whether they want to translate or create their own pages. What happens with the projects that are different than the original site, like our North American project? Will it become something like north_american.libreofficebox.org ? Up to you actually, I don't really see any restrictions. I would love to see one place where all the different projects will be seen and the visitor can choose to go to each project's page[s] and DVD offering. Currently there are several DVD projects being worked on. It would be nice to have all of these DVD projects listed in an easy to find place so the visitor to the site can find the right ISO download for their needs. Also that list could include places for the visitors to find the groups that are offering physical media for sale. The old OOo site use to have such a list, but Oracle's new site is lacking a lot of the mirror and purchase sites that they had when Sun was in charge. I know several people in my building who asked me about where they could purchase the DVD. These people do not have fast Internet access or none at all [since the building has a computer center for that use]. So here is my list of parts of good International site. 1] The main site in English [standard some would say], but if there is the ability for the site to access the visitor's default language, the visitor would be forwarded to the correct language version of the main site. I guess there's the possibility to fetch the visitor's browser language and redirect him, but this is far ahead because it is not our job to do all the translations - we offer the environment for different teams to do it, like on the LO website. 2] The main site would have a page listing all the different regional projects sorted by language[s] and geographical region[s]. http://libreofficebox.org/projects/ is a start for this 3] There will be a page where the visitor would find places to download the ISO files from these different regional projects, and versions of the CD/DVD projects in as many languages as available. Each subsite can provide a download page on their website in the according language. 4] There will be a page that list groups or individuals where a visitor can purchase a physical copy of a DVD or CD so there would be no need to use their bandwidth to download up to 4.4 GB of file size of an ISO file and then burn the ISO to a working CD or DVD for their use. Have this list sorted, again, by language[s] and geographical region[s]. This way the visitor can find a seller that is the closest to their location and have the least amount of shipping cost to them. Up to the teams again, we'll provide the space for a website and a development site as I have written. Actually, a nice marketing tag line for the seller would be with ever DVD purchase, we will donate a portion of the sale to LibreOffice and The Document Foundation. I would think people would like that. If it costs $10 USD to make a professionally printed DVD and Case, ant it takes $5 USD to ship it to the buyer, the buyer would not be to unhappy if the seller adds on a $1 or $2 to that price for a donation. So the sale would be $11 plus $5 shipping and processing, with the seller sending a check to The Document Foundation/LibreOffice for each purchase as a donation. see above [quote] We have finished the first step of our move and are up to prepare Silverstripe and the iso generating scripts on libreofficebox.org for multilingual use [unquote] What does this mean? It seems to read that there will be a script that will generate an ISO file on demand for the visitor. I do not know about you but it takes over 15 minutes to generate a 4 GB DVD on a dual core 2GHz Vista machine. No, not for the visitor but for the teams. Our service is focussed on the community, the services for visitors are up to the teams. [quote] The dvd ui can be exported together with all linked files prior to an upcoming release of a dvd into static html, the iso file will be generated by script from this export. [unquote] I read this as saying there will be a script in the HTML page that will look into a data base file for all the listed DVD projects and display this list for the visitor to see. Then if there is a new project to be added to the list, you add it to the data base file and not change the code or scripts on the HTML page that displays the list. Again this procedure is dedicated to the teams to create their iso files. Visitor can choose from
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
On 03/18/2011 12:51 PM, Erich Christian wrote: Hi Tim, * Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com: Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian: Are these sub-sites just English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, etc., translations for the German version, or will they be their own versions of the original site with content differences and such? Subsites will be created on demand of teams like at LO website and the teams are free to decide whether they want to translate or create their own pages. Thank you for clarifying this. What happens with the projects that are different than the original site, like our North American project? Will it become something like north_american.libreofficebox.org ? Up to you actually, I don't really see any restrictions. Thank you for clarifying this. I think our project may be something like the above sub-domain. snip 1] The main site in English [standard some would say], but if there is the ability for the site to access the visitor's default language, the visitor would be forwarded to the correct language version of the main site. I guess there's the possibility to fetch the visitor's browser language and redirect him, but this is far ahead because it is not our job to do all the translations - we offer the environment for different teams to do it, like on the LO website. I know many sites do this, but once you get your pages translated to one or two other languages you might look into adding that feature to your domain. Our project will have a manual language bar somewhat like what is one the wiki pages where you can click on the language and you go to that language's version of the displayed page and then stay with that language's pages till you switch to a different language. Actually the wiki pages is what made me want to have that option for our site and DVD when we have more languages available than English. 2] The main site would have a page listing all the different regional projects sorted by language[s] and geographical region[s]. http://libreofficebox.org/projects/ is a start for this see the bottom of the email for the error message displayed - the web server is unable to respond. . . . Also on the projects page, the de.libre. . . . link worked before but the develop project link did not work. 3] There will be a page where the visitor would find places to download the ISO files from these different regional projects, and versions of the CD/DVD projects in as many languages as available. Each subsite can provide a download page on their website in the according language. It would be nice to have one page listing all the available places. It would be convenient for the user/visitor. Could you have a symbol/icon of a CD/DVD next to the name of the project and/or the projects link giving the user an indicator that that project has a DVD, ISO download or media to sell, or other icons that indicate something about the project. Language icon, ISO icon, region icon? Something like the icons on the DVD project showing if the link is to a Writer file, and archived file, a web link, and email link, and all the other ones in the theme folders. 4] There will be a page that list groups or individuals where a visitor can purchase a physical copy of a DVD or CD so there would be no need to use their bandwidth to download up to 4.4 GB of file size of an ISO file and then burn the ISO to a working CD or DVD for their use. Have this list sorted, again, by language[s] and geographical region[s]. This way the visitor can find a seller that is the closest to their location and have the least amount of shipping cost to them. Up to the teams again, we'll provide the space for a website and a development site as I have written. As before, a list of these sites [whether project sites or other web pages] and an icon next to the link showing there is a link to the DVD for sale. Actually, a nice marketing tag line for the seller would be with ever DVD purchase, we will donate a portion of the sale to LibreOffice and The Document Foundation. I would think people would like that. If it costs $10 USD to make a professionally printed DVD and Case, ant it takes $5 USD to ship it to the buyer, the buyer would not be to unhappy if the seller adds on a $1 or $2 to that price for a donation. So the sale would be $11 plus $5 shipping and processing, with the seller sending a check to The Document Foundation/LibreOffice for each purchase as a donation. see above see above? I do not know where you mean. This was just an idea for those who might be thinking about offering a physical DVD for sale/shipped to the visitors. I was just thinking about a way TDF/LO could have an income/donation source. Every not-for-profit organization needs to have money to pay for things. This one to pay for server space, electricity, domain fees, marketing supplies like event banners and handouts. A local non-profit group
Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites
Hi K-J, * Am 19.03.2011 00:30, schrieb ol klaus-jürgen weghorn: I get a HTTP500 Interner Serverfehler on IE8. On Firefox I get only a white page without anything. Now it works again. Footer: The footer of the webpage is in German. I don't know if it is only if the browser is in German or is it for all. The three links Datenschutz, Impressum and Sitemap get always a Page not found. Yep, sorry - still updating Silverstripe, took a little longer, will figure out with different footers. Cheers Erich -- E-mail to projects+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/projects/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
